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The Emerald Tablets Of Thoth | Retrospect Ep.150
In this week’s episode we discussed the book Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean by Maurice Doreal. This is a pseudo-historical book written in 1930 that was influenced by ancient Egyptian texts and Lovecraftian stories about part-reptilian civilizations emerging from ancient Egypt-like ruins. It deals with Atlantis, an ancient race of serpent-headed men, alchemy, and a variety of other topics.
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emerald tablets, people, tablets, read, talk, pyramids, attributed, atlantean, egypt, supposedly, toth, atlantis, feel, sphinx, understand, remember, understanding, god, idea, civilization
Speakers
Jason (64%), Stoney (24%), Ian (13%)
Ian
Ian, welcome to the retrospect podcast, a show where people come together from different walks of life and discuss a topic from their generation's perspective. My name is Ian, and as always, I'm joined by Jason.
Jason
Hello, everyone
Ian
and Stoney,
Stoney
Hello.
Ian
How's everyone doing?
Stoney
All right
Jason
Well, well, all
good. I just been out of town for really, for the last 10 days, almost, really, yeah. I mean, between my my silent retreat, oh yeah, you know, and then I came home and literally had my nieces, because I came home Sunday, last Sunday, and my little niece's birthday party was that, that evening, that afternoon, so I didn't have much time to do very much, and then I had to pack up and head to my girlfriend's house to take care of her. She had a little little procedure done, and she just needed somebody there to kind of help her right, kind of get back on her feet. So I've been out all week, so it was a also had some concrete work done at my house, glad to finally get that little project.
Stoney
Oh, so you had that done while you were gone, so you didn't have to be driving on it.
Jason
Yeah, and last night, I had to leave my car out because the guy who did my job. He said, Give it till Tuesday. Yeah, I didn't know this, but they, they basically said that because we have not been getting very much rain, that actually makes it bad for concrete. I thought it would be totally does. It would be just the opposite, but no, so it's
Stoney
most people don't realize this, but concrete can cure underwater,
Jason
yep. So they were my understanding, because I was kind of watching it on my cameras while they were there. That's fun. They were putting a lot of water on it while they were they were doing it so well,
Stoney
the drier it is, the faster the water evaporates, which can cause cracking, yeah. So it can be bad, especially, especially the little surface cracking, but also the interior cracking. Also, if it, if it dries too fast, you're in a mine.
Jason
So hopefully it, yeah, hopefully it works out. But I don't have a giant sinkhole in my driveway now, which is nice. So I was tired of hitting that big old bull. You know, when you you're driving in like, I've got this fix. Yeah, enjoy.
Ian
I feel like. I feel like every time I I've had something like that, I feel like every time you drive across, I'm just making it worse. And I I consciously know you are, I know that's what I'm saying well, but it just like, I need to drive on my driveway. It was one the at the house I was growing up on. I remember, you know, driving to and from work, and it was like sinking on one side. And no matter how hard I tried, I still always kind of hit it. And I was like, I just know that every time I'm hitting this thing, I'm making it that just a little bit worse. Well,
Jason
they were, they were they I was, I wish I could have been there to see it when they broke it. And, you know, cleared out all the old concrete. But, you know, I thought maybe I had a water leak there causing that to be washed out. He goes, You know, we broke like two inches of concrete over that. And I'm like, I wonder why they poured it thin, but there was a hole. There
Stoney
could have been a tree that had been cut in the past, even when they were putting that subdivision there, true, and if they didn't get the roots out, that's why, when you're doing construction, you got to make sure all the organics are going down to the level of clay, and then you come back and compact it with the clay. If there's organics, like a tree stump or something like that, and they didn't get it out correctly. Well, once that tree stump starts to decay, it starts collapse, it starts to collapse. And so there may not be, you know, it just, they've just processed it right in the beginning and put two inches of concrete on it, and then it was just too late. And it, you know, collapses, if it you know, how deep was the hole? Two to four inches.
Jason
I don't know. It there was,
Stoney
well, I mean, when it was caving in,
Jason
well, the area of concrete, it was eight inches deep,
Stoney
yeah, okay, yeah, that could have been a stump,
Jason
but, yeah, it was, it was going down pretty, pretty good. And so I would like to have kind of from they filled it in before they, you know, they did all the laying the new stuff down. But,
Stoney
yeah, that's another reason they don't. They frown very highly on bearing trash now, because the old contractors used to dig a hole, oh, yeah, bury the trash. Cover it with dirt. Well, over time, the dirt settles into the holes of the trash, and now you get a big hole there, if that's underneath a driveway or a foundation. Hello. Now you've got a real problem. Yeah,
Jason
yeah. So it's got to fix. Stand hopefully by, hopefully about tomorrow, I can actually not just leave my car all the way at the end of the driveway and put it on the because it's hot, of course, and so I like to keep my car into the carport, but can't do that right now so, but got all that done. So today has been a, really, my first day, yeah, to kind of get, I had to go to the grocery store. I had no food in my house because, I mean, literally, I didn't buy anything. And, yeah, you know, for, you know, eight, nine days I've been at home, so, so
Stoney
we got it done. And then part of your day, you came and helped me. Yeah,
Jason
I came and did whatever I could do to help you, and hopefully as
Stoney
as a computer person, for many years with this accident, it's what's the saying? I said, you don't know. I don't know what. I don't know. When I know it, or however that say it goes, it's just like a whole portion of my life is gone. And that's being able to do the hardware and stuff like that on a computer, and it's just gone. And I didn't realize it until I started getting into it, yep, and it's just completely gone. So I do appreciate you coming in and helping
Jason
out my pleasure. With little luck,
Stoney
I did. Somebody forgot me who said he was I did. I had a good reason. I understand I got to mess with you a little bit. We can, right? Of course, yeah, so
Jason
ready to get back on a regular, you know, back on a regular schedule, and try to get back in the gym and try to get my normal routine going again. So
Stoney
will that include shaving? Yeah,
Jason
because she's coming in this week, I think on Wednesday, she's coming in, so I probably will need shave. Hottie.
Stoney
Doctor has been very gracious and allowing me to grow this word, but I think it's gonna have to come off soon. Just don't y'all don't tell her, Okay, I'm gonna have to cut it off soon. Okay, so, yeah, she says, I look like a sea captain. Yeah,
Jason
I'll just tell you what I spent my time while I was with her trying to go over some of this stuff regarding our topic. Okay, today, and
Stoney
was she interested in it? No,
Jason
but, you know, this was a, kind of a tough, very this is tough because it's, it's kind of falls in that new age type of stuff, and it's just a it was, it's somewhat strange. You know, reading this stuff, he keeps saying stuff. I need to stop saying stuff, reading this material.
Stoney
But so what is the material? Jason, this was your idea to do this. Well, what is an
Jason
idea that I thought maybe being interesting to talk about. It is the Emerald Tablets of
Stoney
Thoth, the Atlantean, the Atlantean i
And supposedly, when was these tablets written? Well, 33,000 years ago. Yeah,
Jason
the supposedly they're attributed to a figure by the name of Toth, the Atlantean, that obviously he lived in the city of Atlantis when Atlantis was still in existence. And supposedly
Stoney
he was a priest King, priest king,
Jason
and he was the son, he was the son of one of these beings called the children of light, right? And what the children of light are, I don't know. It to me, it looks like extraterrestrial in origin. Whether that's true or not, I don't know, because when you can kind of start going down some rabbit holes with this stuff, you know it, I
Stoney
would like to clarify there. There's not some rabbit holes. There is a lot of rabbit holes. You can go on reading this stuff, this whole text, because we all actually read it,
Jason
right? I listened to the audio book. I did some some YouTube videos on this stuff to try to understand because this thing is kind of like changed over time. Some people say that these tablets don't really exist. You know, maybe it was. All made up.
Stoney
Fun. Fact, while we were doing this, I went to Black Friday deals. I will give them a shout out, right? And I found the Compendium to the Emerald Tablets written by Billy Carson. Yeah, listen to some of his. He has some fascinating insights. Well, I'd love to get him on the show one day talking about some of this. But the actual is actually a pretty hard read or listen, because you kind of have to pay attention and you have to have a very open mind when you do it, yeah,
Jason
because I mean it completely, it really kind of talks about my understanding is it talks about alchemy. And in understanding how the world works, well and and altered states of consciousness and the
Stoney
actual the tablets are supposed to be a profound and mystical text that offers, and I love the way this is said, ancient wisdom and secrets of the universe, right? So when you're thinking about that, you know, out how many, how long have they been trying to do alchemy, changing the lead in the gold, a long time, long time. Well,
Jason
there's a there's a lot of, a lot of people that you know alchemy was very much, even through the Enlightenment period, alchemy was very much a mainstream pursuit. Matter of fact, I was surprised to see Sir Isaac Newton was very much an alchemist,
Stoney
but they believed the Atlanteans could change lead into gold. That was one of the things they believed they could do, and that's why it's so sought after information, if it was real or not,
Jason
right? Just kind of FYI for people out there who, who Toth is Toth? Most people probably familiar with with Toth from the Egyptian pantheon of gods. He supposedly was the god of knowledge, the moon, measurement, wisdom, the alphabet records, thought, intelligence, meditation, the mind, you know, logic, reason, all those kind of things were attributed to him. But it appears that he actually was not a God. He was just a person with some very advanced technology, a long lived God,
Stoney
not God, but, you know, he lived for a long time, right? Well,
Jason
there was a way of them, kind of transferring their consciousness from from body to body, and that's kind of how they, at least, how they approach the idea of immortality. So, but supposedly, he's attributed to the actual building of the actual Pyramid of Giza, right? So, which, you know, I mean, we've kind of touched on some of this, this stuff in other capacities, regarding who actually built the pyramids? What were their purpose, you know, why would they? Why did he just stop building them? What? What? What's, you know, kind of, what's going on with that in, you know now, lately, a lot of information is coming out that maybe the pyramids are a lot older than what with the kind of the conventional understanding of them. Well, we
Stoney
touched on the fact that maybe the Sphinx and the pyramids weren't built by the Egyptians, but were uncovered correct by the Egyptians, and just taking credit for it.
Jason
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm leaning towards with you. The more I've read, you know, I you know. And this kind of goes all along the lines of what I feel like, a lot of this information that at one time, people, if you brought it up, people thought you were just nuts. Oh yeah. I mean, you think about the UFO stuff. I mean, now it's pretty much everybody's talking about UAPs. And, you know, you listen to some of these people that have kind of been kind of banging this, this, this bell for a long time now, you know, Bob Lazar and a few of these other people out there that are have really been on the forefront of pushing this, that there's now you see, you're starting To see this slow kind of drip of this kind of information that's coming out. You know, there, it's like they're releasing just a little bit at a time. And, you know, it think, if I'm, if I remember right in reading about these tablets that. You know, Toth toast, talk about Atlantis sinking, and that people left Atlantis in flying ships and actually settled in established colonies in Egypt and even in South America, right? It's funny that you would find pyramids there also.
Stoney
Well, how many times has somebody suggested that the pyramids were either landing sites or some type of a welcoming site for actually, yeah,
Jason
I think I, you know, once again, you know, you know they, they mentioned in the in the book of they, they had done something to to kind of mess with the equilibrium of the Earth, or something to that effect, that basically calls Atlantis to sink beneath the waves. I kind of believe that probably it had a lot to do with the younger driest catastrophe at that time. You know, oceans were rising quite fast.
Ian
We talked a lot about that during our sphinx episode, yeah,
Jason
we did. Because it all, it all, it all, it all, it all, kind of ties together. I mean, I mean, we all know that, you know, you hear about the Atlanta story from from Plato, who says that his mentor, Solon, 600 you know, years before, before, whatever the, I guess, his, his, his ancestor, had gone to Egypt, and it talking to the Egyptian priest. And the Egyptian priest that said, you know, Egypt was a, was a, was a colony was a, was a legacy civilization from and founded by another group of people, and that supposedly, Atlanta sunk into the ocean about that same time. So it appears to be something happened. I know some people have have mentioned that, that probably somewhere around the Azores. I know a gentleman by the name of Randall Carlson, who I do follow quite a bit. Really talks about that. But regardless, where the idea of Toth comes from, is obviously if, if we go and just accept what the tablets say on the surface that Toth was, was not a God that he eventually would would become deified by, you know, people 1000s of years later. Because typically how history works is they're real events, and then they become mythicized. As you know, so much time passes, and it's just kind of the natural flow of things, of how we get to this point. That's why I get this idea of the of a flood. And it is been popularized that it's become, well, the Gods got angry, or God got angry. In the case of a Judeo Christian, if you talk to Samar the Sumerians, they have, they've got their own flood story where, you know, the gods were angry. So this idea that something people myth, a size stories to provide a backdrop where, most probably, this event occurred in a real life context of it was just a bad time to be on planet earth at that time, just like you could say it was a bad time to be on planet Earth 66 million years ago, when the Chicxulub asteroid struck and did what it did. So I think there's something going on there, but the tablets themselves really have kind of over time really started to change when the Greeks came in and conquered Egypt with Alexandria, and they were fascinated what they found, and they actually transposed their god Hermes with Toth. So because Hermes was kind of, he was a god of very similar things, where he was a messenger of the gods, and in he has kind of portfolio included some of the things that that Toth was attributed so well,
Stoney
he wrote the corpus hermenechtium.
Jason
Hermenech Yeah, yeah, which is, yeah,
Stoney
there were similar, yes. Well, there's a lot of similar writings in that. And the Book of the Dead, with the Egyptians, right, especially on the afterlife and the soul and possible. Mortality,
Jason
right? So it's just they viewed immortality differently, right? And the way, I think in a lot of times, people will get the idea like the book of spells and stuff like that. And really, probably spells is really a wrong term to use. I think it had more to do with just how the ancients, if you subscribe to the idea that societies had reached somewhat of an advanced, sophisticated state, it was this their way of describing the natural world and how they manipulated the natural world. We've also talked we've also touched on, you know, frequencies. There is some of our favorite subjects, right? There is some talk that maybe there was a way of manipulating the natural world through natural means. We just, they just knew they developed that, and they knew how to do it wherein that would eventually be lost. I do think that Toth mentions with the Emerald Tablets that his airship was beneath pyramids, or the Sphinx, one of the two I don't quite remember, but you know, that kind of goat touches base that this, supposedly, there's a Hall of Records underneath the Sphinx. They found that the government of Egypt didn't allow people to kind of pursue that that area, to see if there is a Hall of Records under there. Supposedly, what's his name? Uh, the guy who actually wrote, who transcribed, supposedly they found the the Emerald Tablets in in the Sphinx or in the pyramid. I think it was at the Pyramid of Giza where he found them. Dorel, I believe, was the guy who wrote what people translate.
Stoney
He translated.
Jason
It's like, it's basically what people would read today, if that's his translation nobody
Stoney
has ever actually seen now these Emerald Tablets, first off, you got to say that when it comes down to dismissing or proving that they're real, he's actually the only person that's supposedly actually seen the Emerald Tablets, and he's the one who translated it. And that
Ian
was the hard thing for me. Starting off this book a little bit I was reading it, and at a certain point in time, getting through the intro of it, before we even get to the first chapter, I'm like, there's a there's a lot of for me, at least, I'm supposed to assume that these things are real with not a whole lot of merit that I'm seeing here at the beginning. And then we go, I mean, before I can even, like, really ask that question, we're getting right into the meat of, like, what these tablets say. And they're, they're claiming some, yeah, pretty, pretty big ideas,
Jason
yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's definitely, I mean, it's, it's very much, you know, it's understanding. You
Ian
said the beginning, you said New Age. I think that's kind of an interesting yeah. I mean,
Jason
I kind of say that because it it to me, it kind of fits that, I'd agree, yeah, it fits that, that kind of genre, if you want to, you know, if people are interested in what the Emerald Tablets are, I mean, that's kind of where you're going to find, yeah, this kind of information. And, you know, I'm not going to sit here and just automatically dismiss stuff, right? But, I mean, you know, you don't really have a whole lot to go on other than, I think the earliest text I saw that is somewhat based upon this. I think they dated to the eighth or ninth century in Arabic, okay? And as I said, it's known as the kind of the that's the foundation of all out chemical thought. Kind of comes from that. I mean, it was translated from, I believe, Arabic, into Latin, into what they call the Vulgate or the vulgar would have been the common, right, the common language. So, yeah, I mean, it's, it's a, it's an interesting thing to read. It's, it's made up of, I believe, 15 tablets, and the last two are like compendiums, or what they call appendix so, good stuff. I don't know how you go about understanding. Understanding these things. I had very difficult time, really, just my understanding. I They it said in there, you have to read it 100 times. I understand the secrets I I
Ian
remember reading that. And I was like, is that? Is reading it 100 times? You understanding it or it?
Jason
I think it's revealing its secret, right? I
Ian
get but what I'm trying to say is, like, from a human perspective, is reading it 100 times, self hypnosis, yeah, in a way, or is, like, is like you trying to find something
Stoney
out of some right? It promotes, you know, truth, integrity, the pursuit of enlightenment, yeah, it promotes a lot of things. Like the Bible does, yep, you know, like the Quran does, like you know, the Torah does, and it promotes these things in a way of living a righteous and moral life. And so reading it isn't actually a bad thing. Reading it 100 times wouldn't be a bad thing. Like I said in the beginning, if you go into it with an open mind, you can read a lot of things that benefit you well,
Jason
as I'm saying, you, as I'm saying but you can get, I mean, like, I know you mentioned this book Billy, Billy Carson. You know Billy's he's interesting. I listen. He's out
Stoney
there too. Now he's out there. He's out in a fun way. He
Jason
believes that that's where Jesus Christ was, was trained by by tooth into the sacred mysteries. Really. Yeah. Matter of fact, he almost, almost thinks of Jesus as an alien. But it's neither here nor there, so he's out there a little bit. But you know, you know what he believes? He believes. I'm not going to sit here and I disagree with that,
Ian
but Right, yeah,
Jason
we're all entitled to an opinion, and if you've got facts to back it up, I mean, he makes some good points. There are some similarities that I think kind of okay, well, that's, that's interesting,
Stoney
yeah? Well, one of the similarities is that the Bible and the Emerald Tablets use light as a force of good, right? Yeah, they do.
Ian
But there's all use that. So I agree with what you're saying, and it is good, but there's also a lot of for me, at least, there's also a lot of other things that is in this book. It's just a little bit hard for me to really wrap your mind around, just grapple with like, as far as like, what you know which it's saying, yeah, what does that mean? Yeah. And like, in the implications of a lot of the things that it's saying, for me was just a bit like, I don't know if 100% agree with some of this, but like, as far as, like, you know, star beings coming down and, you know, and Gods of a former book that was in the
Stoney
Bible. I mean coming in a chariot of fire. You know, the same things. And we learn reading the Bible and studying the Bible, the more you read it, the more you get out of it, right? And part of that is faith. Part of that is, is being open. Because how many times you know, I've read the Bible a number of times, yeah, over my life, and I can read the same passage today and get something different out of it than I got 3035, years ago, because that's what I think
Ian
I'm just, I think it was referring to also the fact, of, like, the thing that makes me uncomfortable, and maybe this is I got to work on, I don't know, is, like, there's this race of beings before humans that were better than humans. There's this quote, unquote, Atlantean people that were so much better. And the tablets talk about this, of like, how our people aren't around anymore, but, like, I don't think you guys would fully ever comprehend what we got going on. And it's like, I can understand that from like, a spiritual perspective, but like, from a physical perspective. That's the thing that's hard for me to really wrap my head around. It feels like aliens. That's that I kind of, yeah, disassociate. I
Jason
think you mentioned about going to the to the hairy people. Yeah, you mentioned about, which would have been, maybe the barbarians
Ian
to purposes. It's interesting. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I just remember I read it through the first time, and I
Stoney
was like, Army, for that matter, with
Jason
Yeah. I mean, I think, yeah. I think it's, you know, this is where I had this conversation with some family regarding, oftentimes, share my my beliefs, that I do believe the first 10 chapters of Genesis, you need to kind of be careful and how. You read that? Yes, and especially
Stoney
with all the translations and adaptations that have been made well,
Jason
as I'm saying. I mean, we all know that Genesis is attributed to Moses, right? Who wrote it, but the fact that the matter is for the Jews to concern, really, it's, it's Abraham as their start, that is where they begin. They the other. The first 10 chapters really deal with providing a backdrop of where all these other people come from, and kind of establishing like a beginning, and whether you choose, there was an Adam and Eve and an apple and a serpent and right, and you took the bite of the apple and all that you know, you're free to believe that, if you maybe choose to believe that maybe that's kind of trying to tell us something else there,
Stoney
technically, as advanced as we think we are today, I would like to point out that Moses was the first person to receive information From a cloud and put it on the tablet.
Ian
Yeah, you're
Stoney
right. Think about that for a minute. Yeah.
Jason
I mean, it's sorry. I had to throw that. It's interesting. And look, some people get real, get real, kind of antsy when it comes to this issue. And look, I get it. I really did,
Stoney
comes down to faith and people feeling like, you know what I've believed, like Ian, it's this is what I believe, and this challenges,
Jason
I've basically come to the conclusion this through, I do believe that something happened during this period of time, and the idea of potentially civilizations being cyclical, where we're always being subject to disasters, or catastrophism that you know, societies have been built up and then destroyed and then rebuilt again. And, yeah, I'm definitely open to the idea of what I call I live in a little bit of tension. Yes, I do believe that maybe I don't, I don't have everything understood correctly, right, and I need to possibly be open to the idea that maybe those stories in the beginning are trying to tell something else. Maybe we misunderstood them. Because I know me. There is no absolute. I know me as a Catholic. I'm not bound to accept the actual understanding that there was an actual Adam and Eve and there was no one else on Earth, and it was just it, and there was an apple. Catholics are kind of free to view that and interpret that in a way that's either allegorical or you can take it literally, is actually the church has never spoken definitively on the subject, because one thing it has nothing to do with, ultimately, your salvation. It really doesn't. So it's not something that the church has told people to get kind of hung up on. So I am basically of the opinion that maybe there's a little bit more to that story than what exactly is just kind of shown in English on the paper that we read today. But just real quick, I the 15 tablets are titled, and I know we're saying this for people, if you're interested in going and reading about this, it's very difficult to do this topic justice, because it really requires a lot of research to understand this stuff. And if we
Stoney
were to do it right, we would actually have to do each one of the Exactly. We'd have to do these to it. And that's yeah,
Jason
for example, like the first tablet is the history of Toth, the Atlantean. Then there's the Halls of Amenti, the key of wisdom, the space born the DWELLER of UNAL the key of Magic, The Seven Lords, the key of mysteries, the key of freedom of space, the key of time, the key to above and below, the law of cause and effect, in the key of prophecy, the keys of life and death, and then the last two, which are attributed as appendixes or Atlantis, which matter of fact I'd listen to, that had very little to do with Atlantis. And then the secret of secrets, so it's a, it's a, it's quite extensive.
Ian
I'm getting probably off topic here. Is it? Is it appendices? Is
Jason
that how you appendices? Yeah. Yes, that's it. I
Ian
was thinking. I was like, I know there's a word for that. Appendices,
Jason
and I apologize. No, no, no, I
Ian
just I, and I know that. No, no, no, I I'm not outing you,
Jason
but, but, yeah, so it's but really, the first part of the book just basically tells about, talks about where he comes from, what was going on, who his father was, and about this place called Atlantis, for 36,000 years ago, which, yeah, once again, was there an Atlantis? I don't know. You know, we've covered a bunch of topics, and people said that. People believe there was a civilization, yeah, that was a seafaring race, and whether they had flying flying ships and stuff like that, we don't know. I'm kind of the opinion. I don't think they had flying ships. But
Stoney
how many similarities and vast different civilizations across the planet talk about the same thing they do.
Jason
I mean, they all have similar to Mayan, the Mayan culture. Mayan speak of, you know, the keeper of secrets, and that parts of the secrets of Atlantis were stored there, underneath the pyramids there. I still think that this that we can't explain how other cultures all share the story of a flood myth, pyramids that exist in Egypt and then in South America. Yeah, and not to have any sort of cross kind of understanding that idea that these just people developed in a vacuum, and do the same exact thing. I just Well, look
Stoney
at the similarities afterlife and burial and the soul. Yep. You know, there's so many similarities that's talked about in the Emerald Tablets, just the inner self, the soul, you know, he talks about that kind of too. And it's like, wow, you know, can't, you know, when we look at all the aliens and the UFOs and things like that, you only saw little snippets. And then now, all of a sudden, even the government's target. I'm a firm now you have all of this coming out, ancient civilizations, ancient aliens, and now you getting all the snippets, but now you start putting all these things together.
Jason
Look, I could tell you, they're, they're, they're parts of of our Bible that we're familiar with and that we, you know, we grew up with, and that's kind of the cultural context in which we're kind of operating in. But you can read the book of Ezekiel and go, Yeah, I could see how maybe ancient people might interpret that in a way, the way they described it, they wouldn't have no way of describing a spaceship and a chariot, a chair coming down from the sky and all this, the wording that they understood, right? I mean, they they would have to try to explain it in the cultural context in which they live, lived, and what kind of language they had to try to explain this. So, yeah, I can, I can, you can make that argument. I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea that that we could have had alien contact throughout time. I do believe that aliens exist. I believe they're around I think part of reason they probably don't want to be around us, because we're too we're too violent. We try to kill them the minute they would try to land. You know, maybe they, they interact with with people, or maybe they interact with our government in some way. I don't know. There's enough information coming out where I think the government's been hiding something, right?
Stoney
You know, and they're getting good at it as our as our resident hater of AI. Have we seen all of the stuff from the Kamala Harris campaign with the AI that they're using to show all these people at her rallies? Oh, yeah.
Jason
It's, you know, that's kind of,
Stoney
have you seen the one with the on the Air Force too. Well, there's this. Have you seen that one? Ian, and there's nobody in the reflection. Wow, I love that one. So they're hiding something, and they're just getting really good at hiding it.
Jason
Well, you know, AI is matter of fact. I think people know that something you. Uh, something's about to happen. I really do. I just kind of been feeling in my bones, of course, I just think something's going to happen.
Stoney
And if you're feeling it in your bones, please refer back to some past episodes of The retrospect podcast on prep work and getting ready for the great reset.
Ian
I love how we were on a totally different track, and then, boom, we're just right back from last week's episode. Yeah. I mean, together, though, doesn't, if you
Stoney
think about it, what's happening in civilizations today may have happened in the past. Oh, you're right, and we're just getting ready for the Great Filter. I was just, I was just popping up. I
Ian
was just, I was just naming the elephant in the room. Funny, we're
Jason
well, the Emerald Tablets of Toth the Atlantic. It was written in 1930 supposedly by a guy by the name of Maurice dorill. I didn't know there was a 1931
Stoney
Yeah, the earliest 20th century is when they most scholars,
Jason
there was kind of a, there was a, kind of a resurgence of interest in in what they call hermetic material, yeah, you know, kind of touches back into the alchemy and in the
Stoney
Popular time of the Egyptians, right, the
Jason
Philosopher's Stone,
Ian
interesting. I
Jason
you know, believe it or not, they were able to finally understand Egyptian hieroglyphics. I mean, y'all remember what the breakthrough was, the Rosetta Stone. Yeah, that's what enabled them to understand what these things are. Because I believe the Rosetta Stone was, was, was, was Greek and Egyptian, and it was another, another, like ancient language, right? Um, and that's how they were able to make the breakthrough, um, to make that happen. So, I mean, the idea of making gold, you know, transmution, transmutation and so it goes back a long way. I mean, there's been people, there's still people try to do it. Now, can it happen? It's not theoretically out of the realm of possibility, if you kind of know the right chemical reactions to make to happen, you know, you know, maybe, maybe it's not as far fetched.
Stoney
That is not that far from gold. No, it's really not that far from gold. I'd love to know the scientific parts of it, but I may have before the accident, just can't remember that shit now, but it's not that far so, and they've been trying for years. And who was it? Michelangelo? Was it not Michelangelo? What's, what's the other guy? Oh, shoot. The scientist guy, no, well, I can't remember he tried. He was one of the old guys. Was trying hard. Man, this memory thing is starting to kick my
Jason
butt. Well, you know, I tell people all the time when it comes to these things, I know it sounds kind of crazy, and some of this stuff is kind of far out there. It really is. But, you know, I always like to keep an open mind, yeah, to these things. You know, as I said, whether the the Emerald Tablets exist or not, I think the knowledge that's contained in them is something that's been around for a long time. Yeah, and I agree with that, and it's nothing new. Now, there are many people who felt that Darrell borrowed a lot and some of it, if you're not familiar with some of this other stuff, and fortunately, I do know some of, I am familiar with some of these other things. And I did catch some things in there that I felt that, yeah, okay, I could see where he got that. But he borrowed a lot from HP Lovecraft. Oh, yeah, you know, he really did. And Lovecraft was, you know, kind of dived into that kind of stuff and dealt with all that. So for people out there like HP, lowcraft at the Dunwich Horror, and I'm kind of now going back to some of my DND, oh yeah.
Ian
Words good. And then, of course, me, you can't talk about lovecrafting without referring to the Call of Cthulhu, right? Exactly. Thing. That's so, I mean, it's a, it's, I mean, it's great horror as well as, like, just, you know, I don't know creepy icons and all that kind of stuff. You know what? I mean. I. Yeah, like love felt, like Lovecraft has that has the market on this kind of unspeakable, ancient horrors from a bygone age or whatever.
Stoney
Well, you know, there's a fine line when you're, you know, going between open, critical thinking and discernment. When you're, you know, trying to have this skepticism and being open minded. You know, anytime you're reading this, you know, mystical and esoteric type literature, right? It can drive you nuts if you don't pay attention and just have an open mind. When you're, hey, you know, I'm reading this for entertainment, or I'm reading this because this is something from the past. It can literally drive you crazy, yeah? Because if you're not, you know, like you said, even the first two chapters were just mind boggling for you. Just trying to wrap around how I can even relate to this, yeah? Well, there's
Jason
a figure. There's a figure in that, you know, people out there that want to kind of do some digging on this, but supposedly, the Emerald Tablet was attributed to a an ancient Hellenistic individual by the name of Hermes Trismegistus.
Ian
What a name. Yeah.
Jason
No good, yeah, it's but that's kind of the, you know, the the guy that supposedly, because, supposedly, when Alexander the Great conquered Egypt, they took a lot of this and they translated the the book of Toth and the Emerald into into Greek. And supposedly, it, it became a Greek document. But at the same time, people said, well, a lot of Greek influences entered into it. At that point, I see So everything that we know is really comes back from the Greek source, and they don't even know the what was the original book of truth in the Emerald Tablets? You know, the actual true Egyptian unadultered by any sort of translations and any biases that might come in on that. But other
Stoney
civilizations have talked about a sunken city, when was Atlantis first mentioned and by who was by Plato. Plato that's right in his, in his writing, the tomatius and critius and but there was still no definitive evidence of its existence. He was just the first person to actually truly mention it. It as a name, not just a sunken city from lore, right?
Jason
Yeah. I mean, it's a he. I mean, it all goes hand in hand. And, you know, Egypt, I mean, we attribute it. There's a lot of rich history there that you can really I still think there's a lot more there. But, I mean, they've got other places now that have been around. So, you know, people kept saying Egyptian. I mean, there was a time before Egypt. I believe it was Kim. That's how those ancient people were called. It was Kemet. And I believe, I believe, Toth mentions that when they fled Atlantis, that's who they went to, is the land of cat or commit or whatever the actual name is. So there was definitely a civilization of people there that predated the Egyptians, because Toth, Toth actually predates Egypt. It's actually they mention him as is, as the deity that came before the Egyptian pantheon that would have later evolved. But
Stoney
they also, they also plagiarize a lot from that with the and when you think about this, when they are looking at their history. The Pharaoh was a deity, so they stole a lot from those things, and he was, or she was, the one who decided what information was going to be passed down. If they didn't like you, they struck your name completely from all writings or stone tablets back then, and so how much of that was controlled for theirs and their history, like they built the pyramids? No, they looks like they actually just uncovered the pyramids. Yeah,
Jason
I'm kind of really, I've kind of, I've kind of thrown out everything I've learned about Egypt in school, and I think there's a lot more going on. It's
Stoney
still fascinating, but it can when you come down what we're talking about, the open mindedness and the discernment. You have to be able to think for yourself when looking at this and say, Okay, well, maybe there's some other things the
Ian
heart, for me, the hardest thing to do. To wrap my head around, like, like, again, that initial feeling I was understanding, because I think that it didn't go into a lot of detail about how the tablets were found, or if they were even real, and all that kind of stuff. The thing that got they got me about it was it felt like, in the first few chapters, I was like, reading a really interesting Lovecraft book, yeah, like, it was hard, it was hard to put it in the real world, because of how outlandish a lot of this stuff was talking about. We start, we jump, like, really quickly into like these, you know, bigger beings, and they're, you know, more intelligent, and they like, like the like, your mere mortal understanding can, can't can't comprehend the kind of stuff we were doing. And, like, that's like, right off the bat. And so I remember listening to the audiobook of it as well, thinking, like, Man, this is a really great sci fi. And I was like, okay, but, like, but we're supposed to think this in context of, like, Egypt and all that kind of stuff. And then I was like, Oh, that was what I was meaning about. Hard to wrap my head around. It's like putting it in perspective of like, you know, real life, you know, and all that, obviously being so separated from Egypt and all that stuff.
Stoney
So now, you know, it doesn't end there. In 1903 Maurice Durrell started the Brotherhood of the White Temple Oh, which is a cult based on the teachings and philosophies of the Emerald Tablets. And it's actually still functioning today. Get out. Yep, it's in Colorado. It started in Denver, and has kind of moved around after the war and stuff. But yeah, you can actually, they have websites. They have all kind of information that you can use in the study of the the books, the Emerald Tablets. But he died in, I think 63 was it Jason? And at 63 Yeah, year before for I came to be but
Jason
fascinating, you know, I'm looking at at, I just pulled up like the the Atlantean and what's in the book. And it kind of opens up with, I just like reading this stuff. It says I told the Atlantean master of mysteries, keeper of records, mighty king magician, living from generation to generation, being about to pass into the Halls of Amenti, set down for the guidance of those that are to come after these records of the mighty wisdom of the great Atlantis in the great city of kior on The Island of Undal, which to me right there that tells me, okay, Island, that's an island kingdom in a time far past, I began this incarnation, not as the little men of the present age did the mighty ones of Atlantis live and die, but rather from a on to eon did? Did they renew their life in the Halls of Amenti where the river of life flows eternally onward,
Ian
like it just feels like we're tiptoeing into Lord of the Rings, I'm gonna go sail to the undying West.
Jason
Great were my people in the ancient days, great beyond the conception of the little people now around me. So obviously he is now. He's left Atlantis, and he's living among what would be, eventually the people that would start the civilization that we know of today, knowing the wisdom of old, seeking far within the heart of infinity, knowledge that belong to Earth's youth. So obviously it was wise. Were we with the wisdom of the children of light who dwelt among us? Strong? Were we with the power drawn from eternal fire. I really, I really want to find the part dealing with Atlanta's falling. Oh, reasonings for that.
Ian
I remember, I don't remember where that was at in the book. I know you're, I know you're talking about, yeah,
Jason
it was then, having drunk deep of the cup of wisdom, I looked into the hearts of men, and there I found greater mysteries and was glad for only in the search for truth could my soul be stilled and the flame within be quenched. Down through the ages, I lived seeing those around me taste the cup of death and return again in the light of life, gradually from the kingdoms of Atlantis, past waves of consciousness that had been one with me, only to be replaced by spawn of a lower stone. Are
Ian
interesting and also feel that attacked,
Jason
yeah, yeah. So, I mean, this is so
Stoney
All right, what do y'all think was, is it a real, real tablets, or did somebody just, kind of just, well,
Jason
there's, there's no evidence. I mean, there's no really document you can go back, but then, once again, you're dealing with something that, you know, there's all kind of people have said, you know, that the current that the Emerald Tablets were taken by by one group or another. I mean, I saw people said that the Crusaders took it another group says it's hidden Crusaders. It's, it's in the it's in the Vatican. Some, some say it's, it's in the hidden Vatican archives, um, some say it was put into the ark of the covenant.
Ian
Wow, yeah,
Jason
I saw one thing where they said it was put into the ark of the covenant, which some people say the Ark of the Covenant was actually, was actually a power source. It was something more than what people say it was because of some of the things that are attributed to, what would happen if people mishandled it. Or, you know, I really will always love the way Raiders of the ark, it was
Stoney
done. But it that arc did not like the Nazis.
Jason
No, it did not. I knew that. And that showed that scene where the Ark was in that crate, and he had the Nazi swastika, and it just started burning it out. I was like, up, that's that's not going to be a good thing. And, you know, I don't think you really want to open the ark, because you're not going to want to look inside of it, because only a certain group of people were able to carry the ark, right? I believe it was the Levites, you know, I found it funny and something, somebody brought up a certain point to me that Levites levitate.
Ian
Oh, stop it.
Jason
Yeah, I read that. I kind of went,
Stoney
maybe it was a source of power. And you couldn't be grounded to the earth, right? I
Ian
know you had to, I know you had, I think you had to wear certain things as well. You had to wear certain clothes. And, yeah, a specific kind of person.
Jason
It was a certain way that art cat, and it's funny that's never been found, yep, or has it? Or maybe it has, you know, who knows? So, yeah,
Stoney
this was a really interesting read. This is we've done a couple of books now, and I'm gonna suggest maybe the next book we choose isn't, isn't like this one, because this, maybe we need to do something a little easier next time, because it was fun. But, man, this was tough. Yeah,
Jason
yeah, this is a tough one to to really get your hand, you know, still fun, but yeah. I mean, you know, as I said, look, I mean, there's a lot of great videos on this. There's a lot of topics, a lot you can really dive into. If this interests you, my hope it might just get people to maybe look that way and check it out. And
Ian
it was definitely a fun read for me, even though, like I said, it was a bit wacky, I think, at first and even still, think some of the things that I, I the the religious beliefs I held on to, kind of make some of that make, if I feel like initial, my initial reaction is to kind of like disregard some of that. But if I'm just curious, and I and I come to it with an open mind and have some fun, it was a cool, interesting read. So,
Jason
yep, I enjoyed it. I know more about this than I knew before, and
Stoney
knowledge is power. Knowledge
Jason
is power.
Ian
So now the next 100 episodes of the show are gonna be us deep, diving into this I'm playing. Yeah,
Stoney
I think we could do 100 episodes and still not really get it right. Speaking
Ian
of this is our 150th episode. Wow, that's kind of fun. Wow, yeah,
Stoney
that's crazy, man. It's
Ian
been, it's crazy to think about that.
Jason
Maybe we knew when we record that we need to mention the actual episode number, like in the beginning. Okay, your your part, yeah, this is episode whatever. Yeah, you know, I've seen listen to some other podcasts that that's kind of part of their pre
Stoney
Yeah. And when we go to video, we can have a nice little slot.
Ian
Oh, is that right? I see how it is. Yeah, we'll
Jason
need a, we'll definitely, we need to hook up a camera looking at a computer to better pull it up, okay, I mean, yeah, on
Stoney
the other and the other studio. Wait, the retrospect is so popular. We have two studios, but the other studio has a nice monitor of our site location. Yeah? Love it. Wow. It was fun. Yeah, you know, I think given the lack of historic. Evidence and the context in which the Emerald Tablets were likely created, it's probably improbable that they are the ancient writings physically left by Thoth the Atlantean instead, I think they are best understood as a modern esoteric literature which draws from a rich tapestry of mythological and mystical traditions to convey spiritual teachings. And for those who approach the text from a symbolic and mystical perspective, the tablets can still hold some profound meaning and insight, serving as a tool for personal and spiritual exploration. However, from a historical and scholarly standpoint, their origins, to me, are more aligned with a modern interpretation of ancient wisdom, rather than just a direct link to Thoth the Atlantean. That's why I ask you all that, because that's kind of my thought on that. I think it's fun to read, of course, information there, and you can use it to be positive and have some things to help you, but, and I
Ian
think he was also like, like Jason mentioned a moment ago. I think he was also inspired by, you know, other Greek or not, sorry, not Greek, other all of it. And then, of course, also other other texts and other stuff, and even Lovecraft and all the the iconic works of that and all that. So I think, you know, he was probably a writer that was inspired by a lot of stuff, and maybe he did have some insight on something, but who knows. So anyways, is there anything else you guys want to touch on before we
Jason
I think it was fun. I enjoyed it.
Ian
I agree. Definitely was interesting. If you guys want to let us know what you think about this, we have an email address getofendedtogether@gmail.com or you can go ahead and give us your i Your understanding or your assumptions about what this is. Or you can even read it and let us know how you feel about it. We also have a YouTube channel that you can subscribe to, and you can everything is retrospect pod, so you can just type in retrospect pod, usually on Google, and probably find all the different locations where you can get in touch with us that way, but until next week, thank you so much for listening. Bye, bye.
Jason
Goodbye everyone. God bless.
Stoney
Hey. Thanks for joining us today and hanging out with us. You're the best. Peace.