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Global Trends In 2024 | Retrospect Ep.151
In this week’s episode we discussed an article from Forbes called 15 Global Trends For 2024. This article was written at the end of 2023, so we thought it would be fun to see how much of this has come to pass. Also, each of us had our chance to get on the soap box to talk about.
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global trends, global trends 2024, ai, feel, people, big, put, world, space, satellite, day, art, today, hydrogen, chainsaw, artist, country, astronauts, future, election, voters, create
Speakers
Jason (39%), Ian (37%), Stoney (24%)
Ian
Ian, welcome to the retrospect podcast, a show where people come together from different walks of life and discuss a topic from their generation's perspective. My name is Ian, and as always, I'm joined by Jason,
Jason
Hello, everyone
Stoney
and Stoney,
Hello.
Ian
How's it going?
Jason
It's all good.
Ian
I'm just, I'm waiting for the like the autumn season.
It is hot, so, I mean, it is just brutal out there right now. And lo and behold, I guess you can look at it as good or bad. Was that? But my weed eater broke. Oh, I brought it to the place to get fixed, and they come and tell me that the whole motor needs to be replaced. And I've got a Honda weed eater. They don't make that weed eater anymore.
Of course not.
Jason
I loved it because it was a four cycle weed eater. So he just took straight gas. Wow. Okay, and so the guy called me the other day and said, Look, you only have your this thing is supposed to have like, over 100 on the on compression, you're down to like 40 something said. I said, Well, can the engine be replaced? I said, well, they don't sell the whole engine. You would have to buy it in parts and then assemble the motor. No, he goes. It would just be more cost effective to just buy a new weed eater. So I'm in the process now of because my yard looks atrocious and and I'm someone that likes a neat yard, right? So I'm having to go buy me a new weeder.
Ian
Are you gonna buy another four stroke they don't make him really,
Jason
they do not make four stroke weed eaters. It's all two stroke. It's all mixed gas and oil. Interesting. And so I think the what I'm gonna do is buy me a one of those. I think I'm gonna go with steel, okay, and buy me the ones that I can kind of detach different parts and put another part on.
Stoney
That's what we have, Miranda and I have one you can take it. There's an edger on it, right? Chainsaw on it, yeah, there's all kind of little stuff you can put on it exactly.
Jason
So I think I'm gonna go that route and that way, I'd have some options, yeah, on different applications of what I would need it for, right? So, but God, may I love that weed, or I strong, powerful.
Ian
I want to say, man, it's probably been a handful of years at this point. I bought a, like, a DeWalt combo that was a an electric we eater and an electric leaf blower. And it takes those big DeWalt batteries, the batteries my dad's, that's, that's kind of popular my dad. My dad has a whole bunch of them, because he has all like he, whenever he started buying electronic tools, he went the wall and just went and just like as invested in having all those. So I knew that at any point in time, I know I could swap out batteries for him or whatever. So makes sense. I like it, not for, obviously, for big jobs. The electric Weed Eater is not, not it like, or at least, like, for prolonged months of time. But if I'm doing, like, little things around the house, perfect, because, I mean, like, it doesn't, you just hold down the safety and it starts, and you have high and low speed, and that high speed, I mean, you can start knocking out some stuff, but anything that's, like, too thick, or that really, like, bogs it down. Yeah. Bad at electric is not. I prefer motors, but for me again, like I said, I'm not doing
Stoney
if you're doing commercial work, oh yeah, pretty much need the gas for the maintenance on it. But like you said, if you're doing, you got, like, your place would be perfect. Yeah, electric one, Jason, your place is good too. I mean, ours, ours is gas. We like that. But I went, I didn't go DeWalt. I went Milwaukee. There you go. I like the Milwaukee stuff. I have a lot of the M 12 stuff, yeah, and I heard that they're really good. I love the Milwaukee stuff.
Jason
Where'd you get it from?
Stoney
EBay, pawn shops. Okay, my What is it? Marketplace, right? Yeah. Oh, I look for it everywhere. Oh, yeah, you can always find a deal, right? And Milwaukee has a great warranty on the batteries, really, Yes, much better than the other competitors. Interesting,
Ian
that's good.
Stoney
I like the M 12 stuff, right, right? And the M 18 is great stuff too. But that M 12 stuff, yeah,
Jason
I'm partial to steel. If I'm not going to have a Honda, yeah, I think Steel's
Stoney
very good. They they know what they're doing, and they've been doing it a long time. So they got some good products.
Jason
So I'm gonna end up going with can't beat a steel chainsaw.
Stoney
Oh, yeah, I know that beat that.
Jason
Yeah, they make good stuff. Yeah, they really do make good stuff. So that was
Ian
the next thing we got as a little electric chainsaw, which, that thing's bad, I say bad, like, in a good term, like it, it can do some work now, again, big, long term projects, not so much. But I was like, I have some, some limbs that fell out of big oak tree. And I was able to make quick workout with that little quick chainsaw we had.
Stoney
Miranda and I first moved together. There was two trees tall, tall trees in the backyard, but the bases of them were probably four to six inches, okay. And we were like, Let's cut these things down. They had all these thorns in them. They were just ugly. And cut the first one down. Zip it was as an electric chainsaw, like I said, and ran an extension cord all the way out there. First one. Boom, great. Knocked all the stuff off of it, put it in bags, chopped it up, put it by the road. Go to do the second one. But apparently, when they were first growing these trees, they had used a wire trellis, or something like that. Or trellis may not be the right word. Excuse my brain damage again, but they had three wires going up the center of the trunk, and I hit that with the chainsaw. Chain, wire, everything, brand new. Chainsaw, rip the just to bits. Oh, my God, I was just sick, so I had to cut the rest of it down by hand. Oh, man, yeah, that's wild. Still sitting there. Just needs a new chain, apparently, right? Like you said, though, when it, when it hits on that low electric motors, is something, once you hit it.
Ian
Well, especially, I know DeWalt has like, two different sized batteries that chainsaw can take. The bigger battery and, like it, yeah, I
Stoney
think that's a 20 volt, yeah. That's something, yeah,
Ian
like again, like I said, prolonged use, or, like, big, heavy jobs, not so much. But like I said, making, making quick firewood with, like, some falling down limbs. It was perfect. And I was like, I love this. I
Stoney
used to have a buddy in Oregon, and there's a Alder tree there that's great for smoking. And he had a bunch of those trees on his property, and I used to love that for smoking fish and alike. And that's what he would do when, like you said, when a branch would fall, if it was three to four inches thick, he was cutting them in half inch thick. Things knocked the bark off of it. And the Postal Service had this thing, if it fits, it ships, and he would fill those little boxes up with the alder wood for me and just ship them to me. No way. And it was a perfect little half inch thick, disc three to four inches thick. Yeah. And you just kind of lay that on my I have a large, big green, extra large, Big Green Egg, if Big Green Egg ever wanted to become a sponsor. And I love that. And you could just lay it on the lump coals and just burn it. So perfect. Wow. But he would send me two or three boxes. Look at that. If it fits, it ships. And that's what he would do. He'd take his little electric chainsaw out there, and we just make
Ian
a little wood coasters. That's awesome,
Stoney
but it was a perfect size for smoking on the extra large, big green egg. It was perfect. And you could just kind of space them out as the fire moved, it would just start burning the wood. Oh,
Ian
man, that's a great wood. Now I'm hungry.
Stoney
Oh man, perfect for like, salmon or something like that.
Ian
Yeah. Well,
Jason
I love a good, a good piece of salmon.
Ian
I haven't had salmon in a long time. One of
Stoney
the things that when people smoke salmon, they they cook it a little too much, and it's kind of like tuna. You still want the little pink in the side. And I found personally that cold smoking salmon is better that way. You kind of don't overcook the meat a little bit, but you still get that nice smoky flavor to it, right, and you don't overcook the meat. Interesting. So I like to cold smoke, and electric smoker is best for that, because you can put it at 90 degrees, and that's what's going to do. It's just going to stay at 90 degrees, around degrees. You don't want to go 120 140 Yeah, because then you just kind of overcook the meat and it dries it out, but you keep that little coal smoke going. Oh, man, you talk about good. The
Ian
the what is it? The like, the recent fish that I've had was, sometime this week, I had tilapia that was made, like, really well. It was seasoned really well. And I think it was, I don't think it was smoked, and it was, I think it was baked or something. I was, I haven't had fish in a long time, and I had someone, I was like, wow, this is not bad at
Stoney
all. I like salmon is okay. I like Shark. Shark is my favorite meat. Fish had expensive
taste. Oh,
it's good, though it is good. What
Jason
Shark? Shark never had it. Oh, what? I don't think I've ever had shark. What?
Stoney
Oh, shark.
Jason
I mean, I've had tuna and salmon and pretty much triple two. I mean, you know, name all fish. Don't think I've ever had shark. Well,
Stoney
there's a restaurant in South Louisiana. I think Baton Rouge is the city that it's in, and I will say their name, Sullivan's has the best tuna on the planet. They do us tuna steak. That is
Jason
steak. Tuna steak can be kind of Yeah. Yes, it can. It's, if you're not done, right? It's, I'm not a huge fan of of eating tuna like that.
Stoney
Oh, I love all food can be good. You just got to do it. Oh, yeah. You know, salmon is hard because people tend to overcook the salmon a little bit. Tuna is another one. But shark is just easy. It tastes it has a great taste to it. The meat is different than you'll expect, but it's not a bad different. It's a good different, okay, and for a long time there a lot of us that were in the health food industry for a while there. Oh, you can't introduce cancer to a shark and all this BS that was going on for years. So we ate a lot of shark thinking it might help us. Turns out not to necessarily be true. Yeah, it's still harder to get shark cancer than any other thing. Wow, interesting.
Ian
Yeah, all right. So what I know we, Jason had pulled up something about, like, an article on some
Jason
Yeah, you know, I, I'm looking back on on our old, an old podcast we did early in the year, and it was on january 15. Yeah, it was our predictions for 2024, oh, so how did we
Stoney
do? I actually, you know,
Jason
some things are still still hanging, so to speak. So that kind of got me going. I was, I was thinking of, you know, everything that's going on right now. The world's kind of crazy interest rates, or, you know, you've been hearing about what's been going on there, and, you know, inflation and everything going so I saw this article, you know, 15 global trends for 2024 and this is in Forbes. I just randomly found this, and it just kind of hurt my interest that you know, maybe we need to look at it and see did some of the things they talk about, has that materialized? I
Stoney
What about the top 120, 24 the election extravaganza. Would they not use a strong enough word? Yeah, maybe their prediction was wrong. That's not as strong enough. When was this article this December of 2023
Jason
right? Get out. Oh, yes. Well,
Stoney
I think that that was an easy prediction. If you didn't predict that, and you know, you would be a very bad psychic if you didn't predict that was gonna be a crazy election. So
Ian
I just don't think they're prepared for the chaos of this summer.
Jason
Yeah, well, I mean, right now, as this podcast is being recorded, the Democratic National Convention started today. Oh, really starts. Yes, it started today. They've got the whole thing barricaded off.
Stoney
Get out. And the Democrats, who are the main proponents of defunding the police, are calling for extra police protection to protect them from the protesters at the Democrat rally. You know, wait what I
Ian
was I was tell
Stoney
me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot. I'm
Jason
listening to some of the these, these kind of protesters, who they, they go and interview, you know, various news channels will, will interview them. And I was listening to one girl saying that, you know, well, while the, you know, while the Democratic Party is generally our ally, they need to feel pressure too, because, you know, they need to feel pressure from the left. And I'm sitting there going, what exactly? What do you what are you complaining about? It's a lot of it, a lot of it. A lot of it has to do with with the Israeli Palestinian war. And
Stoney
there's supposed to be a whole lot of pro past Palestinian demonstrators at this convention. That's one thing,
Jason
the next big thing, I think that's, you know, I don't know where, where this is going to go. I know don't also, I'm kind of worried about it. But, I mean, I think the Democratic Party is going to start becoming more obligated to that wing of the of that really is very pro Hamas and very anti Israel. And that concerns me, and it just blows my mind that if you look at at national voting trends, Jewish people predominantly vote Democrat.
Stoney
So what's that going to happen? Yeah, how's
Jason
that going to play out as time go, dude, is there a strategic decision being made to go? Where are our future voters if they're going to lean toward more of the Hamas side of. Things.
Stoney
Well, I think the election before they open their mouths too much, although Kamala Harris has come out and said some things, I think they're going to wait until after the election to not lose any possible voters that they have.
Jason
Well, you know, today, just real quick, while we're talking about this, an article hit the news on the AP Blinken says Israel okays a plan to break the ceasefire impasse, and urges hamasa do the same. So us. This was updated today. US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said Monday that Israel has accepted a proposal to bridge differences, holding up a ceasefire and hostage release in Gaza, and he's called on Hamas to do the same thing, without saying whether concerns cited by the militant group have been addressed. So I mean, I don't know where this is going to go. I really don't, but I do believe that the Democratic Party is, is there is now a sizable voting block in that in that wing that is very much they they just can't ignore without the risk of alienating voters and then, you know, they're desperate to try to when you're dealing with an election right now, that is, you know, basically, look at most polls have been very close. Yeah, nationally. Now national polls, I don't necessarily pay that much attention to. It's more about states, yeah, and electoral college is what you need to pay more attention to. But you know, neither here nor there, obviously the country is very evenly divided when it comes to either Donald Trump or Kamala Harris now and, yeah, any amount party
Stoney
has been hemorrhaging voters from the African American community, and then, like you said, the Jewish community, just because of some of their stances, of what they're what, yeah, I'll
Jason
be very curious to see what happens With that, if that actually translates into more Jewish voters actually crossing the island voting for a Republican. And, you know, people can say all that, but what it comes down to when you actually go on the voting booth and pull the lever right, that's, that's the people can say all they want. It's one thing when you actually go in the booth and you got to make a choice. Oh, yeah. And sometimes those old loyalties are hard to break. Yeah, you know, just, you know, why do white suburban women generally vote have leaned toward Democrats lately? Now I think I've seen some, some, some some polls there that indicate that maybe that might be shifting a little bit because of the rise in crime. And that's frightening, that that's very frightening for that that demographic, right? That's a very that's a big concern. Also, you know, there's always going to be the abortion issue. Yep, you know when, when the Supreme Court basically kicked that back issue back each state to fight over,
Stoney
which I think they should have done. It's not a that's not a federal government thing, right? Exactly.
Jason
And I'm a firm believer in that. And I get in these discussions with women a lot regarding this topic, and because I'm very pro life and, and, you know, which is how you view these things, and, but for a lot of, for a lot of them, it's a single issue. I mean, that's it. And it's, it's kind of mind boggling that I'm willing to basically go bankrupt because of the economic policies that the current regime is is pushing, all because I want my right to have an abortion. And that's kind of a very I don't know that's a kind of a strange way of viewing the world, so to speak. But for a lot of people, it is.
Stoney
But I'm sorry I believe, and I'll say it again, and I know I believe Mr. Ian's eyes are going to roll to the back of his head. The abortion issue, and all of this is an attack on the American family, and it has been from the onset of abortion, and now what they've done is is the media and the Liberals have played this to be a major thing. No one has said that you can go to your state and let the state decide for you. Well, there it is. That's. Want to turn it into this, and you hate these people and you want to do this? No, what they're saying is, let your state decide for you. This is not a federal issue. This is a state issue.
Jason
Fundamentally, this kind of goes back to more of what I think the founders envision, of how this government was supposed to work. I mean, this is basically federalism, that the federal government's role was going to be limited to certain things, and if it was not specifically enumerated in the Constitution, it would go back to the 10th amendment to fall to the states to manage that the federal government change after the Civil War. Well, this is, this is, I mean, it just did. It took on a more broader and it really took a much broader role with FDR and the New Deal. Yes, absolutely, that's really where it but you had this gradual the federal government usurping states ability to do the things that it wanted to do, that I think it was more responsive to the voters that live in that area, versus trying to impose this one size fits all for everybody, and it just doesn't work, because it was never meant to work that way. The Constitution
Stoney
does not limit what the populace can do. The Constitution limits what the government can do, right, and we've gotten completely away from that right. So we need to go back to the original Constitution, and where the citizen is above all things. That's that's the most important thing, if you're a US citizen, that's why, and when we were talking earlier on, you know why? You know we're losing the Democrats are losing these votes and possibly losing these votes. That's why the border is open, because they're buying votes. Well, yeah, I mean, if you they're buying
Jason
votes, if you have states that are allowing illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses. That's exactly what's going to happen. Well, San Francisco, exactly what's going to happen appointed
Stoney
some illegal immigrant as the voting Commissioner. I'm sorry, it's still, as far as I know, it's still illegal in the United States to hire an illegal immigrant. You remember back in the 80s and the early 90s where you you lost a lot if you got busted having a maid that was an illegal immigrant. Remember the politicians that would get in trouble for that kind of stuff and the actors?
Jason
Well, there's a lot of companies, though, that don't really want, I mean, let's be honest. And I heard this discussion, you know, kind of diving off in the border real quick. You know, if Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas, wanted to shut down the border and send the Texas National Guard down to completely shut the border down, he could, the problem is, he's got his donor class that are telling him don't do that because they want that illegal cheap labor. And I blame those people for doing that, because all it does is hurt the American worker. Unfortunately, that's what it does. Why
Stoney
is America the only country in the world that can't enforce its border because they don't want to enforce it. Thank you. They don't want to enforce they don't want to enforce it. They break into Russia, break into Afghanistan, break into any other country on this planet, and watch what happens to you. Well,
Jason
it's we'll wait and see what happens with that. But you know, if you have another four years of open borders, then I think fundamentally, things are going to be so irrevocably warped by then that you're not going to recognize the country anymore. People might say, well, that's overreacting. And you're, you know, that's crazy talk. I'm like, no when you introduce, you know, no country does this. I mean, if you introduce all these people in here with no idea where they came from, what diseases they're carrying, they offer no economic benefit. It's one thing. Back in the old days when immigration was I'm going to value those people that bring skills, by all means. You want that, and I think most people do, but people that are not bringing skills, and they are just strictly going to be needing government help to survive, well, guess how they're going to vote? I mean, it's only natural, right? So we have a we have an issue there that will need to get hopefully, what
Stoney
about the guy who was just caught, who was detained at the border, let go, and then they found out that he was wanted for 22 murders in. Zuela, and then all of a sudden, he raped somebody in America, and now he's back in custody.
Jason
I know it's, it's, but the problem is, that's what I'm saying. There's no political will right now to fix the problem. And I could say that about a lot of issues that we have, there is just no political will, because no one wants to do what needs to be done because it's going
Stoney
to hurt sick in Singapore, six months in prison, three strokes with a cane for illegal entry. Russia, two years of hard labor. Pakistan, 10 years in prison. India, eight years in prison. North Korea, death. Germany required to leave the country if they don't have necessary residence. European Union fines of 1000 to 5000 or up to three weeks in prison if fine is not paid. United States, free phone, free housing, free insurance. Saudi Arabia, private entities that employ illegal residents may face fines up to 26,000 US dollars and one year in prison for the manager and a five year ban on hiring on fire foreign workers. You know, Malaysia, up to five years in prison for hiring somebody and six strokes with a whip now Mexico that lets all of them through a fine of 300,000 to 500,000 pesos and Up to two years in prison for entering Mexico illegal.
In America, you get shit for free.
Jason
Well, it's, it's, it's for free, it's, it's bait. They're printing money. They're printing money, printing money and buying votes. And I personally think the ultimate goal here is to eventually crash the dollar. You're already starting to see some countries are basically saying, I don't know if I can trust that dollar anymore. You saw like Russia and China, and I think it was Venezuela or Brazil, there was a few countries that are trying to break away from the petrol dollar as the standard reserve currency. And you do that by just printing more of it. You devalue it to such a point that it just collapses. And then eventually the introduction of what they want is some sort of global currency where it'll be electronic control by the Federal Reserve and and you will not have paper paper money anymore. You'll have credits. Well,
Stoney
everybody, a lot of people, believe right now that US is facing a three fronted war with China, Russia and Iran. Do you know who the largest can can crap when you print money, what's the word I'm looking for when you fake print counterfeit money? You know, who the largest counterfeiter of the US dollar is that? Iran.
Jason
I saw something post earlier. I was trying to find it regarding just housing it takes right now someone needs to make about $106,000 right now to afford a home,
Stoney
yep, not even a nice home, a home, a home, a home.
Jason
So that's what I'm saying. All these things have consequences. So not to get too bogged down in that but here's something else that I thought was pretty interesting, according to Bill Gates, the shift from bots to agents will the be the biggest revolution in computing since we went from typing commands to tapping on icons In 2024 could be the year of commercializing personal agents, personal agents capable of understanding natural language and executing complex tasks, are posed to become ubiquitous, transforming industries, enhancing productivity and redefining our interactions With technology. Get ready to have your own bond. Double doubles. Oh, seven agent in the future. What y'all think about all this?
Ian
I like I don't I hate it. I understand where he's coming from, and I think that the trajectory is pointing in that direction every, every software manufacturer, anybody that's making anything nowadays, or making AI assistance, quote, unquote, for things. And I just, I feel like we're moving in that world where, like, you don't interface with the internet, internet, you don't interface with anything that you have, someone that you you have a quote, unquote, AI assistant. That, like buffers that for you. So you go to this assistant and say, like, I need, Hey, how are you today? I need this. And of course, then they are able to go to the internet and receive things for you. Or I would
Stoney
like to say that for those that do email us at the retrospect podcast, at get offended together@gmail.com, it is answered by one of us. We do not have these AI assistants, right? We are happy to read your emails and love to respond to them and read some of them on the air, right? But, but this is ain't gonna be us.
Ian
This is saying in the future that like that you won't, that you won't have the ability to do that, right? Whenever you go to your email, you will, you will talk to an AI assistant saying, I want you to type an email about this, and that's how you're going, you can still, you can do that now. I don't say absolutely. What I'm saying is, is that in the future, you won't have the ability to interact and type your own email up. I'm not saying it's email specifically, but like, for instance, if I wanted to go to Google, to Google something, I can't do that in the future, in this, in this brief future like he's talking about, I will go to quote, unquote, Google, and it will be this AI assistant that you're talking exactly, who's gonna start talking as if it's a person and retrieve information for me and tell me what it wants to tell me, and not what I want to find, which is kind of the scary part of it all is again, it we're beholden to whatever that assistant is. One to tell us is the truth, instead of us trying to look and find it for us, for ourselves. I mean,
Jason
crazy, yeah, well, it's, uh
Stoney
oh, wait, Ian's favorite subject. Well, yeah, we've
Jason
talked about that. So my question is, like, Ian, you said, Well, you have you? I mean, has it feel like it's it's really moving along. Like,
Ian
Oh yeah, it's, it's the the problem is, and I knew this was coming from, like, a year or two ago, and we started talking about, it is the second, like, the second that chat GPT started to become something worth note, and, like, started to, like, you know, break ground on some things. It doesn't take much for other people to piggyback off of that network. That's exactly what's happening. And now it's there's a lot of money in it, because you can, you can subsidize the workout to to AI and not pay people for it, because, again, an AI is not going to get tired. An AI is not going to ask for vacation time or sick time, and that's the whole thing. I think that was, I was worried about it, and more than I've been worried about AI, and more than just one facet of it, like, as an artist, as a creator, I don't like the fact that everyone could just type in a prompt and, like, create things, create art or whatever, that just feels soulless, and everything or music that I just don't I get, I get that it's fun and it's a novelty, but at the same time, what's happening right now, we're dealing with a lot of like, legal claims, because how AI work is it has to feed off of a database of something. So over the past couple years, all these AI creators have been feeding their database off of other people's art. That's why it can't really, quote, unquote, make things. It can't really create things that it doesn't already know about. It can't create art if it doesn't already have a database of art to pull from. It can't create music unless it has a catalog of music to pull from. But
Stoney
aren't we kind of the same? You're right. We are the same because we can't just one day, we just magically go poof, and we did a Mona Lisa. We can only create art from other types of things that we've inputted into our I
Ian
get what you're saying, but there is, I think, a way of taking inspiration and then making it your own. I think everything is inspiration like you can't no original thing probably can be created without some inspiration from somebody else. Ai, can't take that and then use it to make its own thing. It literally has to take it and then manipulate it into and the thing is, a lot of times when in the art that I'm referring to, the art that it was fed was basically stolen, like it's not paid for at all. So again, it was like, it's almost like you, you take this database worth of someone's art, and then you can recreate their art and not have to worry about the copyright of it all. And that person who created that art, who like to get paid for that art, who like to be, who is a person that created something out of their own human instinct that took inspiration from something else and they made it their own. Now this robot is like, copying it all, and, of course, doing it at a much faster rate and for free. And now it's like, why should I go to that person whenever I have this robot that just does that, just stole your art and then is making it again, and I don't have to pay for it. That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about, where it's like, I get that there's like, this whole creative element of it all, that kind of is hard to pin down as to what's authentic and what's not, but it just if that AI did not steal any of that artist's artwork. It couldn't create it on its own. It couldn't take inspiration, but we could, though, even in a vacuum, even if I even if I never. Saw someone else's art. I can sit here and create something and draw and doodle something that's my own, and AI can't if you never
Stoney
saw anything, then you have nothing. If you never you couldn't just draw a home. If you had never seen a home, I got you cannot create a cat. If you had never seen a cat, you're not just going to magically, poof a shape up. I got to create artwork. You have to have some input in your head to be able to create something, right? It's kind of the
Ian
same. I just don't like the idea that you're stealing artwork to do it. That's all. I'm still doing the
Stoney
same thing. When you go to a museum and you look at all fancy, you're putting this in your head, and you're going, okay, oh, I had this idea. Okay,
Jason
yeah, you might use those other pictures as an inspiration.
Stoney
Same thing. That's what AI is doing. It's
Jason
exactly what AI is doing. It's it's putting it in a way now where I think the fear is, is okay, you put enough of that in the system, so to speak, and now it just does the painting for you.
Ian
And this is the, this is the frustration of having this discussion, because I see where you guys are coming from, and I don't think you've ever had to worry about that before, like, of having your own stuff be stolen in that regard, and like, you know that's that's a whole thing that, like, being an artist in America at least, has been difficult because of copyright and because of making your own music, and other people stealing money from you that are higher than you, like record labels and things like that, that you really don't get the money, you create the product, and you get treated like crap. And of course, you kind of get thrown by the wayside for creating something that you want to get compensated for. And now you have companies that are willingly stealing it anyways, that are that like that are surpassing even record labels that are surpassing artists in any level, and they're taking it, and, of course, are now profiting off of you. And it's like, okay, so I, I used to get shafted before because I was part of record label that would like, kind of, you know, squeeze money out of me, and I would get some sort of paycheck, but now you're stealing money from even them and even myself, where it's like now you're creating this artwork and making money off of it, and like, making fake music that sounds like me, or that is me, or the artwork that is very much akin to what I would make in my quote, unquote style. Or that is like directly stealing stuff from myself. And I now have, I now can't make any money off of it. And then whenever I try and dispute, you're like, No, we didn't, we didn't train our AI on your artwork. And then, come to find out, just a few months ago, like, that's exactly what they were doing. They stole all this artwork from a bunch of different people, a bunch of different videos from people. And instead of, you know, giving money to anybody else, they were able to, just like, build this database and build an AI network of stuff, and then capitalize off of it. And it's like, that kind of sounds a bit gross personally, and that's where I'm coming from with it all. It's like, I
Stoney
know. I mean, I get it. I'm not, I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but it's still input
Ian
result, input result, again, on the base level, yes, the
Stoney
only con, the only difference is conscience. We have. We have a soul and AI yet today, and it may in the near future, have its own conscience. Then what do you do? The
Ian
same thing can be said about works of writing as well. Obviously, again, as a writer, as someone that's like writing something, you can input an entire book in there, and they can recreate something that's very much in your style, or something like that, or even still, even recreate your book. And of course, you know, you have no way of stopping that, and that's just the way it is. And that's the part that's scary about it all, is it? It's moving so fast, and we're and it's just like I said, we are just now getting to a point where legislation is stepping in and trying to like and trying to, like, put these companies that have stolen millions of dollars worth of art or worth of writing or worth of whatever, and trying to like, hey guys like, you know, we really got to try and pigeonhole this down, or try and figure out some things, but not before every company in America has capitalized. I
Stoney
wish I know we were going to talk. I saw an article basically just, just, yeah, outlining everything you just said about they're trying to make people accountable. And that's
Ian
the problem. It's like now, is it now? It's, it's, it's so rampant now, now that the AI has now grown so big and is now like, you know, exponentially, grown to a point now where it's like, and it also has full access to the internet now. So now it's like, it's hard to like, differentiate now, well, the damage is done. So
Stoney
I was, I have AI, and y'all know, I use AI, and it's kind of fun, right, right? I do a lot of research with it, but I always, somewhat, I hate to use the word fact check, but I always verify what I did. I have a couple of different resources with AI and I got an email. Think, was it end of last week? Middle of last week, hey, do you see a website that you like? All you have to do is let me know what that website is, and I can change that website and turn it into your website and make it your own right. Yeah, wait, what? Yeah, How simple is that?
Ian
It's crazy. And then I think, like I said, there are, there are applications of it, where I get the convenience of it, I get the and that's, this is what I think, if we for me, if I'm to to really bring this all back down to the root of where my kind of frustration of it all is the thing that kind of sparked this mistrust for AI, and that kind of has led to this, this eventual growth into the monster it is now for me versus AI and this whole discussion we've had, it all started a couple years ago, whenever I said I think that it is making us as humans more lazy. Oh, I agree. I think that there are, there are applications where I think AI is going to really push us forward as a civilization, honestly, I think there are, there are things that we as humans miss because we're fallible creatures. There are things that go underneath the radar. There are doctors that may not quite get the right assessment, or whatever it may be. They're like these little things that just we miss, that I think a computer or an AI won't miss, and I think that that kind of stuff, I think, is what's going to push us forward. The thing that I feel like has, and that's on the big level, creating architecture that is, like precise medicine, flight, like all these, like engineering things, I feel like AI, is going to help propel us forward. The thing is that's all, like, way up here, and we all as, like a civilization, as like, just people are all down here, and we all have access to AI that is like, quote, unquote, making our lives simpler or easier. And I just feel like it's making our lives more lazy. And I think that's the thing that kind of worries me, as an artist myself, and as a person that you know is trying. I'm trying my best to better myself every chance I get, and I feel like social media and AI are these two things that are constantly trying to make my trying to make my life easier or faster, and it just is like it's making me more lazy and like and less involved in the things that I enjoy doing, or that I want to get better at. Personally. It's across the board, but like, as a as an artist, instead of like, I can understand, the conversation started with like, AI art, or AI music is a good like inspiration to kind of like spark that. But now it's gotten to a point now where it can just make a whole song for you, or it can make a picture that is, like, photo realistic, and it's like, it's not inspiration anymore. It's like, it's creating anything you wanted to create. And now you have, all you did was just type in a few words. And like, instead of like, going out and trying to learn how to create that, or try to make that, or make it your own, or all that kind of stuff. And like, maybe we're just moving into a new future. Maybe this is, this is the the old man Ian. This is the Karachi, the old this is the thing, the soapbox I stand on. I'm like young kids like, this is just the next iteration of art. And maybe I'm behind the times. And maybe I am, but for me, like I just it is lacking that human inspiration. That is
Jason
where I think the that's where I think the the problems with the with AI, I think on the technical side, I think AI is very much welcome, because it, it's, let's be honest, it's smarter than people, right? There's no biases involved, unless it's kind of built into the system, which that would that's another issue
Stoney
easiness and doesn't want to just work right,
Jason
right? Exactly it. There is, there is some, some advantages I could see where AI will make things better on the technical side, right, where I think the problems come in, and this is what you're touching on, is the creative side, right, the spirit side, right, of a human being and And that's where a computer, we're just not there yet with the level of technology. Now, we've talked about the levels of AI, right? That the natural evolution as a machine gets smarter, smarter and smarter and smarter you're able to build your material sciences. Get to a point where you can actually build cybernetics, you know, you, in essence, you have the world of Terminator, or any of these sci fi films I've, you know, shown right robots to be able to almost mimic what people can do. And then whether, as at some point do, they have conscious. This? Yeah, yeah. Okay. This is where. This is where. This is that line starts getting crawled Right,
Ian
right in the Sci Fi world, the and if for any of those out here that that are listening, that don't quite know the scary side of that is in the in this future that we're talking about in this sci fi depiction of AI getting smarter and smarter and far surpassing us as humanity and becoming the most intelligent being entity, thing, whatever you want to consider it as in our known universe. At that point, it starts to the hypothesis that is posed is, at some point we become the flaw that is holding it back, right? We as humans are lesser beings than it, and just like throughout history, as humanity has found creatures or even people that they deem to be lesser than themselves, and how poorly humanity has treated those creatures or almost extinct them, or have extinct them, that kind of ideas played up even more. Is like, if this all knowing entity can look down on us and go, Oh, you're just the animal that right upkeeps Me or whatever, or at a certain point when it can upkeep itself, is like you're just an obstacle. You're my pet. You're my thing. That is humanity to this sort
Jason
of like that movie I Robot, right? Isaac Asimov really kind of dived into that a little bit regarding the machine. Eventually, okay, to protect humanity, I have to basically take over, right? Exactly. So, I mean, I can understand the fear well,
Ian
that So, and for me, that's, again, obviously, like, that's, that is a thought in the back of my head, you know, like, I'm not saying that I'm sitting here, like worrying about it every day, but it also, it's just getting to a point now where, again, we've even had, we've even had an episode about this, about, like, the glorification of busy, like I'm so busy, or I got so many things to do. And it's like, when you really think about it, if you really peel back all those like, superficial things like you think that are making you busy, like you have I think so much more time than I think you give yourself credit for, right? I think that you distract yourself a lot with social media, and you have a lot of things in your life that are making that are making your day to day existence simpler and faster and easier, and at a certain point in time, I do think that resistance, I think, makes us better, having something that can push us back, having somebody overcome, and that's, I think that's just where I'm at, where I'm like, I feel like, as an artist, for me personally, I think the the obstacle of like finding inspiration and then creating something myself and making it my own is like a very enjoyable process. And I feel like there's a lot of artists that are coming up in this day and age that aren't experiencing that they can literally go into Photoshop and then type in something, and it can just create it or or like content aware fill where it can, like, you can just put a picture in there, and it can, AI, generate a whole thing around it. And it's like, I get the simplicity.
Stoney
Can we let's, I just want kind of a little dive on this. Okay, could it be like, who was the guy who would chip. Was it Michelangelo who would chip the granite?
Ian
Yeah, yeah, because marble and you marvel, yeah, yeah, and yeah. Can
Stoney
you imagine him looking at the guys doing the painting, going, what the hell? Maybe I am chipping at all this stone here and you're just doing it? Could? I mean,
Ian
maybe, but I think it's but I think even still I've got it easy. I think even still that is its own, maybe. But I think even that was the new art that is, that is a new art form, but I think that is still someone expressing themselves through a medium of art, of like, overcoming like, the like, of having no understanding of paint and how to make it happen. And then through trial and trial and trial, you can become this great artist where you can make something like that. I think even
Stoney
wondering if that could have been his thought process too, you're
Ian
probably right. And again, that's that's why I said I'm willing to be the crotch of the old guy who's like, Get off my lawn when it comes to AI, because I very well may be good movie is that arena is that I, I've, I'm very, I'm very aware that that may be the case, that as a person that is now 30, that looking at this new, modern wave of it, it feels a little easy. But even still, I feel like there are artists in my world that I've had talks with, they're like, I like the idea of AI and art and all that creation, but they have all, I mean, a unanimous conclusion that I've heard from those people is like, I just feel like it's, it's making me less inspired. It's making me it's, it's, it's hindering my like, my creative person. Process of like, of how to like, of how to kind of break through and do something new. It feels like a crutch. And so that's the kind of the thing that I'm hearing. Whereas in your example, you can see a painting and go, like, ah, that's just this new modern wave of art. But like you have, you stuff people that are like expressing themselves and like overcoming something and bettering themselves at a skill, whereas now and again, like I said, I could very well be wrong. It is. I feel like the skill that you're getting better at is, how do I properly feed this machine, words to then output what I want? And maybe that is a skill. Maybe that is something that like I am, I'm lacking, I'm not great at, and I'm getting upset about because, again, that's but like, but that's But at a certain point it's like, you're not really, I feel like you're not learning a skill. You're having a you're having a machine form a skill for you. Is what it feels like. Well, for
Jason
all sorts of purposes. It's like, then that movie, what was it? The Matrix? Yeah, remember, and they just downloaded something in your brain. Oh, right, right. No, I know Jiu Jitsu, and it's like, I mean, you're right. That's where we're going, exactly, okay. So I thought we've, let's move on to something else, because there are other things here. Yeah, green energy milestone, turning point for sustainability in a watershed moment for the global transition to clean energy renewables, opposed to surpass 1/3 of the global power global power generation in 2024 this landmark achievement, driven by unprecedented solar and wind power growth, marks A pivotal juncture in the fight against climate change, as world leaders convened at COP 28 in Dubai to discuss strategies for achieving net zero emissions and building resilience to eliminate impacts, the burging Adoption of renewables serves as a beacon of hope, demonstrating the world's commitment to sustainable future while challenges remain, ensuring a just and equitable transition, like we see with hydrogen, the rapid growth of renewables provides compelling evidence as sustainable futures within reach. Where do we think we're out on that? I
Stoney
think that is a lot of word salad.
Jason
Yeah, probably so okay, because all
Stoney
the evidence right now is showing it ain't even close and the direction that we're going, and if you see a lot of the main car manufacturers are backing off of the EV stuff, yeah, so that's word salad, because that's not even close. I'm sorry. I just Well, yeah,
Jason
look, let's be honest. The any of these, these, it's, you know, the high tech part, I agree, the academic world and the kind of the the media world right now are heavy in this about saving the planet, and we got to do this, and got to do that. And I pulled up some some some interesting stats here. Solar capacity will increase an additional 30% to 31 gigawatts in 2024 we expect us wind capacity to increase 5% in each of the next two years, six gigawatts in 2023 and seven gigawatts in 2024
Ian
so there's a lot of misconceptions on nuclear power, and I feel like that's going to be the one thing that would really help us out. There's a lot, a lot a lot of misconceptions on nuclear power. I think a lot of it is perpetuated by coal and big oil. But I feel like that would that
Stoney
is, that is, who damaged the nuclear industry in the beginning was the coal and the petroleum. Because I was watching something, I may have even said this on the show. If you took all of the nuclear waste from every nuclear power plant since the first one. And let's say you took a football field and it had was it got 100 yards and 10 yards and 10 yards in the end zone. If you started at the goal post on the first one, how many times would you fill up that football station with all of the nuclear waste in the world since day one? You wouldn't, well, you wouldn't fill it up one time. You wouldn't even get to the 35 yard line, right? And that's been what, since the 70s.
Jason
Well, it says here, the share of renewable energies in total generation is expected to reach 50% 2024 no global nuclear generation is on track to reach a new high in 2025 surpassing the previous record in 2021 nuclear generation is forecast to rise globally by 1.6% in 2024 and by 3.5% in 2025
Ian
it's good that there's improvement, but it's just it's the problem is the amount of damage that is going. Be done before real actionable stuff is the problem. Because, again, the amount of coal and the amount of oil that is being used is, like, actively damaging the atmosphere, like every day, and that's the problem, is, like the to really start, I mean, it's just, I don't have all the numbers right here, but I've watched a lot of videos and a lot of people that are very people that are very reputable, that I trust the opinion on, and I see the facts and what they're talking about, and they're like, like, every day that we're burning that stuff, it is actively making it like, causing a problem. And nuclear wouldn't have that. And the problem is, like, there's a lot of misconceptions around the waste and around all this stuff when it's like, a lot of it, from what I've been told and for now, from what I've seen, after the waste goes into, like in the like a chamber for it to cool off, I think is what they call it like, quote, unquote, cooling off. It then is put back in the earth, like deep, deep down in the earth where it becomes, like inert after a long period of time. And it's like, I just, I don't know, I'm not saying it's perfect, but, like, there's a lot of misconceptions on it. And I think we would be,
Jason
I know Stoney say, like hydrogen, I've got something here on hydrogen, clean hydrogen production could reach because much is triple in 2024, and Ross 34 by 2030 that is an impressive but it's a far cry. I
Stoney
mean, I'm digging hydrogen. When you think about I think that is definitely
Jason
the future. Yeah. I mean, you can do a lot with hydrogen. I think at one time they even produce a hydrogen car.
Stoney
They have, there's hydrogen cars out there? Yeah, yes, absolutely.
Jason
But they're not really utilized,
Stoney
not to the level they should be, because, again, the petroleum industry went after them, just like everything else. Yeah? So,
Jason
well, it's definitely an attractive fuel for the future, so it's something to think about but
Stoney
when do you get hydrogen? Think about that water. Win, win situation. Okay, the ice is melting and the water is rising, so you need the water to get the hydrogen, and you produce nothing but oxygen when you take the hydrogen out of it. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. Is that a good idea? Sounds like a great one to me.
Jason
Yeah, well, it says in the summit friendship solar village project announced as one of their winners at the Reuters global energy transition awards under the projects of impact was New York
Ian
really? Yeah, interesting. So,
Jason
okay, yeah. Now
Stoney
I like the next one because we've actually talked about this one. We had a show on the the second part of the second one
Jason
was a Space Odyssey 2024, not just for astronauts. Oh, that's not the next one. Well, shoot
Ian
which one you
Stoney
talking about? The Office pass, gift one.
Jason
Yep, the office saga continues. Meeting, three meetings, 3.0 and office, rent, office, real estate, impact. The future of work is all about meetings 3.0 the ongoing hybrid work revolution is reshaping traditional meeting dynamics and office needs. Technology, particularly generated generative AI, is enhancing both physical and virtual meeting spaces. Video conferencing will involve will evolve with real time analysis, creating breakout rooms and AI driven whiteboards, turning notes into tasks. Real time translation will eliminate language barriers in 2024 virtual meetings will become immersive, AI powered experiences, transforming traditional meeting rooms into flexible, high impact spaces. However, the impact of hybrid and remote work on Office real estate is evident with projected 35% drop in office values by the end of 2025 and record high vacancy rates globally is a commercial property financial meltdown possible on the cards with prices in 2420 20. What
Stoney
was the episode? We talked about this, a vacant downtown, vacant downtown. We talked about this, and we actually kind of predicted it. I wonder if somebody's actually listening to our show. Yeah, because it sounds like they got that directly from the retrospect podcast. Yeah, it's
Jason
right now, I'm tell you what we predicted that there's a lot of people that just don't want to go back to work,
Ian
which, but even still, I mean, like, even if we don't think about that for a second, just like the I get the. Oh gosh. Just makes me feel I don't know. I get the fun, I mean, I mean, how do I word this without sounding mean? I get the fun, novel aspect of there being this AI, powered, hybrid, physical, virtual meeting space, and maybe in the future, we really could have something like that. But like I I just don't think it's going to be better than just having people sitting around a table together, maybe in the future again, having like, AI whiteboards and all these things that we can like in real time translations. I do believe that those are some very important things. And I do think that, you know, having some sort of something like that can be important in the future. I just, I don't know
Jason
Well, I mean, I could see depending on how immersive the simulation, yeah, comes. I mean literally, you can make it where you can look like and appear that there's people, the people all around
Ian
you. Oh, that's exactly saying there. I know that. I think meta has something right now with their Oculus that you can do like a meeting space, and it feels very natural and very snappy. So I do, I do think it's, I think it's fun, but I mean, again, maybe I just, this is my this is me being old and being
Jason
you're not old. Ian,
Ian
I think I'm old. I like technology. I like future technology. I don't feel like this is inspiring me an AI office space where people can sit down and meet like, I get the I get the fun ness of it. I get the functionality of it. But a lot of it feels like ways for corporations to cut money. No, it probably is. And I get that, and I get that. Maybe that is what it is. But like, if I saw that money put into, like, other cool things, it just for me, like I feel like you're supposed to. I forgot who has said this. I've worked for a couple of companies that have had this mantra that, like, you have this third space, you have your home, you have your work, slash school, and then you're supposed to have a third space, sometimes as a church, sometimes it's your local coffee shop. A lot of times it was a bar like and I feel like we are, we are increasingly, in this modern world, losing that third space of like, community areas where people can all come together, where social media space now, at social media is that like third space for people, which I think is depressing and sad and shouldn't be the case. And now I feel like, now we're talking about losing that second space as well, where it's like now we're just like, I think we were all cooped up inside during the covid pandemic, and I don't think it was beneficial towards anybody. And now this this discussion of like, let's get rid of not only community areas, but also like, people's work environments, slash school environments. And it's just like, I like, I said, Maybe I'm crotchety and I'm really, I'm really on my soapbox today, and I'm preaching, but it just feels more like, it feels depressing, like, like, let's have, let's, let's all come to a space where we can sit around a table and discuss our Well, it
Jason
goes back to that. Goes back to, I don't want to leave my pet at home, right? You know, we talked about that. I mean, I like the ability to be at my house and yeah, and not have to burn gas. You're right to drive, yeah, fight traffic. You know, all the things that are associated with having to get up and get yourself ready for work and go out the door and and do what you got to do. I do believe that, yes, I mean, we have lost that human interaction. But unfortunately, a lot of people, a lot of people, don't want to be around people.
Stoney
You know, I know.
Jason
I mean, what
Stoney
was the movie Bruce Willis surrogates? You knew where I was
Jason
going about it. While this, this topic came up because I feel like, yeah, that is the world that we're headed to the logical conclusion to this sort of thing.
Stoney
Are you familiar with this movie? Ian, oh, here we go. Another one for his other podcast. Yeah, you
Jason
need because that falls right in fighting lines of things you like to
Stoney
put this at the top of your watch list. I'm serious. They never leave the house. What is they live in some kind of a pod or something. Well, what
Jason
happened? Yeah, their bodies are or in essence, everybody's they're all They're old, and they go to rail. They never leave the house.
Stoney
They they go hook in, they hook in, trap. To work, they go to work, they do their work, they go to a restaurant, they go watch a movie. They do everything that we do in life, except leave their house, right?
Jason
It's the world they've created is so immersive, you're basically living in the matrix for all intents and purposes. That's a different form of, different form of the matrix,
Stoney
but you got to see the movie I
Ian
see, but even, but even that, in some capacity, still, still feels like there is a community aspect to it. If everyone's in the same thing, of like we're all able to meet up in some kind of space, and it feels realistic, and we're able to have human communication and contact like maybe,
Jason
well, that's what I think. That's That's kind of what I was thinking about, the idea of people just staying at home, and that the tech would get to a point where you could create this virtual world that everybody plugs into. And people are walking around in a body of their choosing how they want to look. You know, if I want to look like I'm, I'm still 30 years old and but the reality is, I'm, I'm 70 years old at home. Yeah, you could do that. And so, yeah, I mean, those are possibilities. But we all knew in that movie what the consequences of that and
Stoney
they they established it pretty well. That was a I can't really remember all of it now, but that was at one time, that was one of my favorite movies. I think that's a little further down the road right for us, I think we're closer to demolition, man, yeah, with a 15 minute city control, you cuss and teeny, teeny, right? You are five credits deducted five credits. I think we're closer to that and the technology that they had in that movie. I think we're close well. And I see the the surrogate world,
Jason
if I remember that in that movie world, that there was a massive earthquake that destroyed, you know, that that new city was built upon the ruins of something of the old world, so
Stoney
to speak. And I think we're closer. That's what I'm saying. I think we're closer to that, especially with some of the policies and things like that of the governments today. That's what they want. But I could see the surrogate world further down the road. So I
Jason
don't know what the latest on the current, the current vacancy rates in downtown as we as we record this, yeah, I mean, we produce some information when we did the podcast regarding this topic. Specifically, I don't know what it is like as of you know, August
Ian
before, before we wrap up on that, on this little thing, just to the to kind of hammer home the point that I was saying, I think that in the future, that this technology will give us the ability to do that, and I do think human interaction and all that kind of stuff is still going to be okay in this kind of artificial space. I'm just talking about, like, on, like, a basic human level of just like having a hand on a shoulder of a friend, and like being there person to person is like, I we're talking about these, like, crazy awesome sci fi things and, like this far future stuff, but in the immediate future, where I feel like we're there are still scars that are healing over from covid, where people didn't have, like, a really strong sense of community or purpose, or whatever, connectedness to their surroundings, and I feel like that's where we're just moving. It makes me more sad that it just like we're hyping up all this stuff. And I do think this technology is cool, and I do think that one day could be great, and I don't think we should stop working on it. I just don't. I think that people should, um, give a little more credit to just hugging a friend and being there at the same table, and more so, or even still, like working with someone, working across someone, it's like a big thing.
Jason
You know, human beings are built for relationships, right? We are. We're social creatures. We're not loners, yeah, we're not meant to operate in a vacuum. You know? We're meant to be together. That's the human species, right? Really requires that. That's just how we're oriented. I don't know if too much in nature, that's solitary. I don't know, and
Ian
that's what I'm saying. There
Jason
may be a few things out there, but for the most part, it's always two or more, yeah, that are involved so, but moving on. Yeah, this, what's this? This next one I kind of mentioned, I kind of jumped the begun a little bit Space Odyssey 2024, not just for astronauts. This has been a unique year for space, with starlinks gaining prominence with Battlefield use. In India's is or Oh, putting the putting the chan trend, Ryan three on the south pole of the moon. Space is no longer just for astronauts or for the privileged nations or just for men. It's a new frontier for commerce the USA, and China are in a cosmic showdown with services like satellite imagery becoming as common as your morning coffee. Forget the sky is the limit. In 2024 The sky is just the beginning. The Space landscape is set for dramatic transformation in 2024 as emerging technologies converge to revolutionized space commerce, satellite services, space exploration and on orbit activities will become commonplace, driven by a fusion of international corporation strategic competition, and not to mention we might have Jeff Bezos partner Lauren Sanchez leading an all female crew on space flight in early 24 aboard Blue Origin's New Shepard rocket. This groundbreaking mission will mark a significant milestone for women in space exploration and underscore the transformative potential of private space flight. Well,
Stoney
we're in the middle or late middle of 2024, and I don't remember that happening. So, yeah,
Jason
so, I mean, right now they're having some problems getting up there and getting some astronauts down. My understanding, I think from the International Space Station, they've been trying to Boeing's been trying to get up there to do so I saw something, you know, the, where was it? The it was something to do with Boeing and they, they had some problems going up there, Boeing, I'm trying to look this up right now. Boeing, Starliner,
Stoney
as much as these countries want to fight and bicker all the time, can you imagine what would happen if China, Russia and the US ever got together and said, Hey, let's do something fantastic right
Ian
now. There's a bunch of, I'm not mistaken. I think there's, there's special weapons to take down satellites, and that's a really big scary thing, because they're, like, they're GPS satellites. And one thing I've realized, I watched some videos and did some research on it, and GPS satellites don't just affect the GPS of your phone. They also affect like timing on stock market stuff. They also deal with like understanding of other like big systems and frameworks that, like countries rely on. And if one of those satellites were taken down like it could severely ruin communications across a country, and there's like, a, I think it's China and also America and things are developing weapons to take down satellites. That's kind of a scary situation,
Stoney
and I think they've had that up for a while, right
Ian
by what I'm saying is like, is to like, is to hack into them, is what I'm saying, hack into them and then also shut them down, not just like, physically have them, like, come out of the but like, but to shut them down or to destroy them, you know, while also in space. So like, satellite versus satellite stuff that could shut down a whole country for a period of time. Well,
Jason
the Boeing spacecraft here originally planned to last just eight days, leaks and other technical issues suffered by Boeing Starliner spacecraft on its way to the International Space Station had delayed the planned return flight by more than two months, and that has left two astronauts, Butch Wilmore and SUNY Williams, stuck in space. Whoa,
Stoney
that's scary.
Jason
So as much as to me, this illustrates how primitive we still are, right when it comes to this
Stoney
we really are. I mean, nobody thought to pull an old shuttle out of the bay and see if they couldn't send it up. I mean really
Jason
well. I mean what you've seen now with, with with with Ellen musk and SpaceX and some of these other things. And I, I was privileged to be able to go to NASA this year, and I got to see Blue Origin and all those rockets. I mean, it's pretty fascinating, but it just seems to me that the private sector really has taken over space exploration, right? There's no longer a government, you know, kind of goal, the way it was during the Kennedy administration, of getting to the. Moon and and beating the Russians there. And
Ian
now there's a there's enough money to put into it.
Stoney
Well, just think about the first guy who goes up there and starts taking down satellites, yep, because they're broken. Think about all that. You don't use copper wire on a satellite. You use solid gold wire because it's the best conductor in silver and platinum. That's going to be a moneymaker right there. And I think that's why these guys are really pushing for this is just satellite salvage to start with, and then going to the moon and getting all of those resources
Jason
maybe, you know, SpaceX may end up having to go up there. I'm looking at this here. NASA represent. Representatives announced the contingency plan Wednesday, and this was published August, 8 of a week or so back, saying astronauts, Barry Butch Wilmore and Sunita SUNY Williams, could come back to Earth around February 2025 oh my gosh, with two person crew on space X's crew nine mission. That mission is slated to launch to the International Space Station in September, so next month, wow,
Ian
hey. But talk about some legitimacy, though, if that mission, if that mission's successful, that's a big win for SpaceX.
Jason
Yeah. So yeah,
Ian
you've got NASA. It's like, Hey, we're gonna subsidize this workout. That's awesome. I see we have a couple more things on this list that are referring to, AI, yeah, which I think is kind of interesting. We've kind of touched on that
Stoney
you got on was the acceleration of AI ethics. And I
Ian
know, I know where we've pretty we've gone pretty long on this episode, and I don't know if we wanted to review, like, wrap up on one of the other ones. Well, this isn't the longest episode, yeah,
Jason
yeah. I think it's, you know, as you know, where we are in a state of flux. And I do believe, I'm a firm believer that I do believe that this election is going to be, you know, they say every election is important. Oh, yeah, there's something about this one, though, I think is, is very critical. Whichever way the American public chooses to go, yeah, it's going to fundamentally transform us. Because I think if you're going to continue doing what you're doing now, then the country is going to be forever changed. And I do believe some of the economic models that are right now kind of governing us, I think are going to fail, and they going to have to re redo some new ones. So I think just the paradigm is going to shift, yeah, so, but beyond that, it's always interesting to kind of look at some of this stuff. You know, we're in August now, yeah, we originally did kind of our predictions, you know, as we always do in the beginning of the year, what we think is going to happen. You know, some things have happened. Some things have not so,
Ian
but we'll see. We got 77 days until the election. Yep, so we're we're approaching,
Jason
just hope it doesn't, hope it doesn't descend into chaos either.
Ian
I know that regardless of whatever side goes, I mean, it will, oh, yeah, I just hope that, I hope that the damage is minimal.
Jason
It's been fun. I've enjoyed this episode. Yeah, look at some of this stuff.
Ian
I think we, we've each had our, uh, our moment, our uh, 15 minutes of fame, getting to talk about certain things. Yeah, that's right. So anyways, if any of you out there have suggestions or comments on this episode, you can reach out to us on our email, which is get offended together@gmail.com, or you can go to our Facebook page at retrospect pod. We also you can type in retrospect pod most places, and should be able to find us there as well. But until next week, thank you so much for listening. Bye, bye.
Jason
Goodbye, everyone. God bless
Stoney
Hey. Thanks for hanging out with us today. You're the best. Peace.