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The Possibility Of Time Travel | Retrospect Ep.153
In this week’s episode we discussed the possibilities of time travel. This episode touches on some pretty outlandish stuff. Jason brought a lot of stories with different theories and applications of time travel. It also wouldn’t be a Retrospect episode if we didn’t talk about secret Government projects behind it all.
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Speakers
Jason (52%), Ian (28%), Stoney (19%)
Ian
Welcome to the retrospect podcast, a show where people come together from different walks of life and discuss a topic from their generation's perspective. My name is Ian, and as always, I'm joined by Jason.
Jason
Hello, everyone.
Ian
and Stoney.
Stoney
Hello.
Ian
How's it going?
Jason
Well? But I've had a very busy weekend.
Ian
Yeah
Jason
, that's where. Plus Labor Day.
Ian
Oh, yeah.
Jason
So we're so my girlfriend just left to head back home, and so we, we had a good time cleaning out my pantry.
Stoney
So you puther to work when she comes in.
Jason
Well, she put me to work. Actually. She really kind of is kind of restricted on what she can do right now, but she was able to help me do some things that I've been wanting to do that finally, that I said, this is a perfect opportunity. Let's do this
Ian
encouraging nudge to push.
Jason
Yeah, and she gave me a little bit of nudge, and she's giving me some nudges on some other things. So I got some other areas in my house I need to clean out. I've been needing to do this. Oh, yeah, but I put stuff upstairs and I just have, just stuff, yeah, that
Ian
we've all been there. We have that closet clean out, whatever.
Jason
It's amazing the amount of things that we accumulate and we think we need Right, right? That we really don't need at all. And I don't have a big house, so I don't have room to have a lot of stuff.
Ian
It makes it that much more apparent that exactly
Jason
it's it's time to, it's time to because I'm fixing to do some renovation upstairs, and I have to get all that cleaned up and cleared out before we can I can even start, you know, I've got some other issues going on with a I think I got a water leak coming in from the roof. I'm in a battle right now with my roof with insurance. Hopefully that will turn out my favor. But yeah, so it was a busy weekend here and watch the the LSU football game. There you go. And that didn't turn out the way I I expected. But, you know, just the way it goes. But other than that, I've had a good a good weekend.
Ian
Can I share a crazy experience that I was waiting for the podcast to tell you guys about? Yeah, it happened last night, like midnight. I heard some commotion out back at my house. I had like, an elevated house, and specifically the the front porch doesn't have like a, what do they call that, like a skirt around it, or like a skirting, a skirting, whatever, to kind of keep it, keep critters underneath the porch itself. And so every now and then, like, there's like a, you know, there's like a possum that kind of will get around there, like a raccoon, I've noticed kind of will, late at night will kind of just be, like passing through or whatever. And specifically, I want to say as a couple nights ago, I noticed there was a possum in the in the backyard, a pretty substantial, like, backyard area. So obviously, like, late at night, sometimes there's, I mow the yard, like, it's like the or I have someone come and keep up the yard. That's like the front yard, the sides, and then, like the immediate backyard, there's a lot of area behind all that. It's like three acres, and he comes through with, like, a big old bush hog, and like, cleans it up occasionally. So just less work, and I don't got to pay as much. So out there as you can imagine. Sometimes there's rabbits, sometimes there's possums or whatever critters in the because there's also Woods out there, any cryptids, I don't nothing from what there was one time there was a donkey that sounded like it was possessed, but it was just a donkey way, way out there. And I think it's like a neighbor far off that had a donkey, but it as we were, like, roasting marshmallows one night, or, you know, on like the fire, I heard that donkey from way off in the distance in the woods. And I was like, there's definitely a possessed monster out there. Nevertheless, um, this recent event, again, I noticed there's like, a possum around in the yard. And a lot of times I like, well, I'll shoot him away from the house if I get I don't get too close to him. But I'm like, hey, get you know, don't columns are good, actually, right, right, right. But I was like, But, or especially, like, raccoons, at least I try to, like, get them away slightly, like, they don't get the trash cans. They don't, they don't feel super welcomed here, you know, the immediate house, the woods around it, whatever. I heard a commotion. And it wasn't just like, like little critters moving around. It was like, something bigger, and it was like, like, like, rut, like, like, how do you describe it? It was like an aggressive rustling. And then it sounded like a fight. And I was like, and it was like, big enough where, like, I could hear, I could hear it like, kind of. Like rumbling the floorboards, but I was like, two bobcats. And I was like, What in the hell's going on? So I step outside with my, like, my big, bright flashlight, I'm on the back porch, and then I see a possum, like, scurry away. And, I mean, he's for his life. And then there's a coyote. And I was like, I've never seen a coyote in Yeah, and in this neck of the woods around here, but, and again, I was able to scare it off, um, but I got nervous because I was like, I thought, like, Coyote usually will stay in a pack. So I got, I stayed outside for a little bit because I was like, I don't know if there's, like, more than one. I don't know what's going on. I have an outside cat, and I was like, trying to make sure the cat was okay. Because I was like, I don't want, you know, the cat to get I was like,
Jason
There's Coyote. I know they've adapted quite well. I mean, they're living, they've adapted quite well to living in an urban environment, right?
Ian
And I really, I had no idea, but I and he ran, I mean, he ran so quick, but, and it was dark, and I don't, I mean, it was, it was a really weird situation, because I was like, Oh
Jason
man, I roam in the neighborhood. Yeah, they've got them around where I live. I mean, just walking down the street. That's why, you know, like, two, three o'clock in the morning. Wow. Yeah,
Ian
interesting. Well, that was, that was last night, and I got kind of scared because I was like, I thought there was going to be just a whole Coyote ran off. Yeah, yeah. He ran off that. He ran off into the end of the woods. And I, like, I proceeded to, like, shine my light in that direction. And I, like, I said, I stayed out there because I was nervous it was going to be, like, like a pack of them, like, multiple, but it was, I think it was just the one. And I he ran off to, I guess, the rest of his posse or something. But then I stayed out there for a pretty good amount of time, never came back. And, yeah, I guess I must have scared them off or something. But keep
Jason
taking, you know, we keep taking away their their environments. And yep, they're trying to survive like any other living creature would. And right. So, so
Ian
anyways, I thought it was interesting. And I was like, I It startled me, because I was like, Okay, I was expecting to see, like, another raccoon, or, you know, a couple of small animals, and I saw this, you know, small Wolf, like creature run around. I was like, Okay, I'm a little more on edge now. Oh, so Ben, anyways, fun.
Jason
Stoney, how was your weekend? It
Stoney
was all right, went had dinner Saturday night with some friends. Yeah, it was good, nice, Miranda and I enjoyed it. Yep, I don't, I can't taste or smell the food, but apparently,
Ian
else is that not getting any better, not at all, dang.
Stoney
Nothing that's unfortunate, nothing
Jason
that's and it's not gotten any better, huh? It's
Stoney
no improvement, nothing. The memory is getting worse. The balance is at times worse, and the smell and the taste is nothing. I eat for function, right? And I eat to be with people, yeah? And that's it.
Jason
Well, you think about it in in in one way, and this is a terrible way of you're trying to, I guess, make the best of a terrible situation. And it really would apply to all of us if we strictly ate, yeah, from a utilitarian standpoint and not from taste. Yeah, we'd probably be a lot healthier. Well, I did
Stoney
lose almost 100 pounds,
Ian
I know, yeah,
Stoney
I do not recommend this weight loss program
Jason
Terrible situation. You're in Stoney, you know, you know, I wish it was, it wouldn't have been that way. But unfortunately, that tragic day,
Stoney
yep, so All right,
Jason
but real quick, I brought up this topic because I thought it would be fun, okay, and interesting. We've all talked about it at times. We've all read about it in movies and books and magazines. Discussed it on the show, yes, plenty of times and but we're going to talk today about time travel. You
Stoney
You know, my favorite thing of time, travel, okay, was a 1995 fight with Mike Tyson and somebody, there's a picture of the fight, he's punching on somebody, right? And there's somebody with a smartphone taking video or pictures of a Mike Tyson fight. Yes, smartphones weren't out yet, right? Was it? Somebody from the future coming back to see my. Tyson. And there's actually another photograph of a picture in the 1940s of another boxing match with somebody with some type of a phone in their hand. Also, I could not find that picture, but I found the one with Mike Tyson in it, and it looks like a modern day smartphone with a flash, right, and everything on it, fascinating. Well, I
Jason
mean, it, it could be that smartphones actually did exist at that time. It was just in the hands of maybe just a few select people could be but, I mean, I, you know, this concept of time travel there, you know, the movie that really, I thought did a really good job with it was Interstellar, right, with Matthew McConaughey, very interesting, because it does It, you know, it did bring in the concept of how intense gravitational forces affect time time dilation and all that. So, you know, it's right now, there is no time machines that we know of, right? I think from a little
Ian
bit of research I was able to do and watching some videos and seeing some perspectives, the consensus that I've got so far is like the universe and how it is constructed, makes it basically impossible to go back in time, but jumping forward in time is a possibility
Stoney
well, because we are trying every day, right?
Ian
I'm talking about, like even more so, specifically, the situation with interstellar and dealing with time dilation and how intense gravity and what space time does. How you can move in a physical space? You can move in a three dimensional space, and you can move like in a time space. And so if you're moving so fast in this three dimensional space, of course, time relative to you is you'd have to move it to speed of light, right, right? There's a lot of stuff that goes into it that like makes it to where like, like you're saying intense, gravital, gravitational situations can make time move slower to you, but faster to everyone else around you. So by the time you actually do get back to your home
Jason
to be like decades, which
Ian
May I May I say all for you? I don't that's one of those. I don't say it's a fear, but it's like, an irrational like, I don't like that. The idea of like, time, I think I've even talked about on this podcast, maybe, if not here, but here we go again. The idea of, like, traveling to like Mars, and then, I don't think Mars is far enough to actually affected. But like, coming back and then, like, so much time has passed, and like the world is not what you thought it was, for some reason, getting this, this uneasy feeling of, like, I don't like that. Well,
Stoney
think about this. Hear me out on this. We have a couple of months for everybody on the planet to get ape or monkey suits and the two astronauts that are trapped out in space when they come back to the earth. Now we're all planted in the apes. That was time travel. Yeah, it
Jason
was. They got caught up in a time warp or something in space and
Stoney
but that would be the greatest practical joke of all time, just everybody wearing ape suits when they come back.
Jason
Einstein, he did theoretically predict that time travel is possible. You know, I have a few little notes here. I wrote down because there's no way I would have remembered any of this stuff. Welcome to my world. But Albert Einstein's calculation suggests it's possible for an object in our universe to travel through space time in a circular direction, eventually ending up at the point of its journey, where it where it began before they, I think they mentioned about a grandfather paradox. Did y'all read about the grandfather paradox? Heard of it, but
Ian
I don't think I looked into it. It's pretty neat.
Jason
It's basically that there's really no way to change the future if you could go back in time. Because what would happen? They would be circumstances that would it's sort of like the universe will would fix itself to prevent you from actually altering time right now. That doesn't mean that they could possibly bring in these ideas of alternate timelines and parallel universes. And I think there's, there's, you know, some of these real smart people talk about string theory, right,
Ian
right?
Jason
So you. But there this concept of this grandfather. It's like the universe was like, I'm gonna go back in time to say, kill my granddaddy. That would, in essence, prevent me from becoming into existence. But what happened? It would something would happen where your grandmother would still become pregnant with your parents or type of deal. It's, it's, it's kind of a weird way of looking at it, but it's like the way the universe kind of fixes itself, which is kind of interesting, right?
Ian
So the research I was doing on it, they talked about, talking about being like, there's a there's something that can move faster than light, there's a hypothetical, it's all hypothetical particle that they think moves faster than light. It's called a Tachyon. They think that it moves so much faster than light that it actually is, it's it's going backwards in time, whenever, if it is potentially perceived, it is actually moving backwards in time. I don't know how that would actually work, because I'm not a physicist, so I don't know how to describe that, but I thought it was so interesting that the videos and the stuff that I was researching on it, they were saying the reason why they think it's impossible to go back in time is because I think The Tachyon can move, hypothetically again, can move faster than light, because that's where it's it started off that way. Whereas I think even if you take all the energy in the universe to try and get us to go faster than light, there's like a barrier. We can't that because we start off less than the speed of light. That's our threshold. We can't go faster than light. And that's the thing. Like, to be able to go back in time, we'd have to probably go faster than light to make that happen. And I was like, that's really interesting, that like, there's some like, it also kind of reinforces some of my faith beliefs as well. Potentially, of like, there are some like, fundamental rules of the universe that, like, can't really be unbroken. And I feel like that's one of those things, like, potentially, like, I, I'm not saying this, this is what, this is the purpose of it, but like, I feel like, God set the world in motion. And was like, it's only gonna time, only moves in one direction, and no matter, and even with all of our knowledge, at least right now, in this world, again, history could make a fool out of me, but you look at it, it's like there are some hard cutoffs in the world. And right now, faster than speed of light is is not possible, from what we know of it like, or getting us past that level. So it's like, that's just a hard stop in the universe, as time only moves in one direction, which is interesting. And kind of, you know,
Jason
I don't know. Well, I'm telling you, I was looking up some of these things about time travel. And I'll pull up this report under watch Mojo. Oh yeah, yeah, time travel experiments at the CIA. Oh and because those always end, well, yeah. I mean, it's, it's June 9, 1983 one Wayne M McDonnell, then Lieutenant Colonel in the US Army, compiled and sent an exhaustive report to the US Army operational group, all to do with all manner of mystical, seemingly fantastical things, the nature of consciousness, which to me now that that opens up something completely different, out of body experiences and an apparently valid means of time travel. All of the above and more were covered in a now declassified document titled analysis and assessment of the gateway process. Now perhaps you've heard rumors surrounding governments and intelligence agencies dabbling in this kind of stuff. It's only hearsay, but there are long and specific details released by the CA CIA on it of a technique that seemingly could change everything. At the heart of the McDonald's report is a group later known as the Monroe Institute. It was founded by Robert Monroe as Monroe industries in 1962 before a name change in restructuring to institute in 1985 it was primarily interested in research and experiments surrounding consciousness and out of body experiences, or OBEs. It was actually set up by Robert Monroe larger in response to OBEs that he himself had had. More specifically, the CIA document focuses in on something called the Hemi Hemi sync method, a trademark term short for hemispherical synchronization. That is a phenomenon where the waves and both sides of the brain, the left and the right, are synced together to the same. Level, according to the Monroe Institute, Hemi sync can be achieved via carefully cultivated binarial beats, which are sounds created by playing separate beats into the left and right ears of a person. The binarial beats then serve to sharpen brain function, and when it's done right, to sharpen function to the point that one might achieve an altered state of consciousness. You
Stoney
know, that's one of the technologies that I'm actually trying right now for this cognitive stuff. Is a headset mask and everything. And it uses binaural beats on it. And it uses dual voice, single voice. It uses all kind of stuff to try to push your brain to other things. My brain just is not willing right now, but it's some fascinating technology. Yeah, it also uses, and we've talked about this on the show a lot, frequency, light, sound, all of the above, and it uses all of the above. It uses light frequency, sound, frequencies, things so well. We've
Jason
talked about frequencies before, and I believe there's probably a lot of untapped potential there. I think there's too much smoke there for not to be there is some, some realness to this that, you know, we were all like a big battery, and we're all attuned to certain things. And, you know, wow, you think if they could tap into that, how that might change things. I mean, I can't imagine the we
Stoney
talked about on a previous show in the early times of the show. Of a lot of the kinetic powers that we have couldn't really get us to light speed, right? But what if conscious power could, what if our brain becomes so powerful that it could do that for us? We only use 10 to 12% of our brain at this point? Well,
Jason
if, if, I mean, I can kind of see if the Earth is emitting energy. We're emitting energy the plants, everything, the whole creation, is emitting energy, and somehow you can tap into that wavelength, right, and achieve, as that would be, conscious power, right? You would think, you would think, you know, sometimes I wonder, and I'm kind of going back to the idea of faith, yeah. And you know, Christ, in the Bible mentions many time, if you had the faith of a mustard seed, you can tell this mountain to get up and walk over there, and it would, yeah. And I'm wondering if that's not a frequency,
Ian
okay, think about that.
Jason
Think about that. The God frequency, the god frequency. They
Stoney
talk about the God frequency all the time, and all if
Jason
you could do that and somehow tap into that, somehow into that level of reality where you can alter reality. Then, what is time? What is time? Then, I mean,
Stoney
I don't know time is constraint number one, it just kind
Jason
of made me think about that. I don't know why I hit my brain like that, but it just like, I wonder if, I mean,
Ian
you could definitely take it sense like that. Yeah. I
Jason
mean, I can. I'm just kind of wondering. I mean, always,
Ian
I've always understood it more as, like, a, I don't say metaphorical, but like, in the sense of, like, you know, speaking in physical terms, like, you know, if you have faith this small, you could do something as big as this, right? But you're very well could be I get, like, I said, there could be something that, I
Jason
mean was, was, was, you know, I mean, that kind of gets into interpretation of of of the Bible, and what exactly is is he talking about literally, and what is he talking about figuratively, and yeah, and stuff like that. But, oh, it just kind of made me think, yeah. But this kind of continuing on with what I was reading earlier. It says McDonald dictates the next part of report to explaining theories and models for how the earth and the wider universe really function in line with the Hemi sync state. He writes how properly hemispherically Sync. Not as brain should ultimately tap into the same vibrating levels of the energy and matter of its surrounding environment. In our case of the Earth, reality is explained as extraordinarily complex system of energy fields, and later the universe as one gigantic hologram of unbelievable complexity, for the potential of time travel in particular, though the apparent suggestion is that the Hemi sync gives access to the wider field dictating Earth itself, if a participant can delve deeper and deeper into this same state. Then it suggested that they could gain access to the so called absolute state of infinite energy and here, or as close to here as possible. So the report implies is when the mastery of time might be achievable. Wow. It is explained that if one theorizes the wider universe to have the shape of an immense self contained spiral, aka the Taurus, then the past, present and future should all be knowable, because they all actually exist simultaneously. Wow, use Hemi sync to better tap into the energies and complexity of the universe. Then, in one interpretation, says that you should be able to time to travel in time. McDonald's summarizes by writing the tentative conclusion to be drawn is that the out of body state may be regarded as an extremely effective way of accelerating the process, of enhancing consciousness and of interfacing with dimensions beyond time space. I mean, this is real stuff. I mean, this is a, this is a lieutenant colonel in the army. This is the army writing this stuff up, right, right? I mean, these are not just some kids in a basement somewhere doing this. This is real live military stuff. Why are they doing this? Why are they looking at this? If time travel is not possible. Oh, why would you waste the money?
Ian
Well, I mean, it's also the 80s. I think there's a lot of, I think that wasn't there a lot of tests with, like, drugs and stuff too.
Jason
That was more the 770s Okay, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure it's still going on, probably, you know, but I was just
Ian
saying, like, more so in that aspect too, of like, if people take drugs and claim to, like, unlock parts of their brain and see the world through new eyes, a part of me always been curious about that too, not enough to actually partake in the drugs itself, but also, but like how much of that is just you?
Jason
You know well, genuine travel to the past and then to the future are pitched as among the highest and most difficult aspects of the technique. But McDonald's says that advocates insist that both are possible. Get enough time dedication and discipline. And the last section of his paper, he writes, there is a sound, rational basis in terms of physical science parameters for considering gateway to be plausible in terms of its essential objectives. So yeah,
Stoney
does anybody remember John titter? No,
Jason
you know, I read something about John, or I may not have read, I think I saw listen to a podcast that mentioned him. He
Stoney
claimed that he was from 2036 and he appeared kind of in the early onset of the internet, in the early 2000s and basically he started posting stuff, I guess it was the end of 2000 when just many, many things were going to happen. He claimed to be sent back to retrieve an IBM 5100 computer, which I guess could be seemingly mundane task for all of us. But he explained that it was crucial to debugging legacy computer systems that still existed in his time. This very specific detail about the IBM 5100 which was not widely known at the time, actually led some credibility to his story, because it could still be used for those systems. Yeah, and he he said he described his time machine. Mm, hmm, which he put in a 1967 Chevy Corvette, wow, so, you know. And he kind of led to how some of this worked, and stuff like that. But some of his predictions were a civil war, yeah. And some things happening in America that the country would have been divided into five distinct regions by 2015 and devastating world war three and 2015 also nuclear exchanges. And some of this stuff didn't happen, right? Some of the things he said did happen. Some of the things didn't so but he was kind of a fascinating figure early on to the internet age. And a lot of people were just going crazy by this, because some of the stuff he said made some sense, some of it obviously didn't come true too. So, right, but he was an internet time traveler. Interesting.
Jason
Yeah, I've got, did you read about the year 5000 photo?
Ian
No,
Stoney
thank you, yeah, I came across something like that. Yeah.
Jason
It's a in 2018 a man named Edward claimed to have traveled to the year 5000 and returned with photographic proof. Edward asserts that in 2004 he was selected for a secret project which sent him into the future. According to him, the photo who shared of an underwater city is actually Los Angeles, 3000 years in the future. Wow, by that time, the world will have been flooded by global warming, and mankind will survive by living in floating cities, such as the one from which he took the photo. Whether it's true or not, we just hope the future isn't like water world.
Ian
Yep, that's crazy. Well, I
Stoney
mean, that's kind of been debunked a couple of times, because if you take a regular glass, you fill it up with ice, and then you fill it up with water. To the very top, you're going to have a little bit of ice sticking out of it, right? What happens when the ice melts
Ian
was all these water displacement No,
Stoney
still going to be full to the top. It's going to run over, but all the ice can melt. All these icebergs can melt. The water's not going to go up any Well, I'm
Ian
talking about ice like the ice is displacing the water. If you take that same amount and then remove the ice, the water level goes down, but it's the second you put the water back in it, the water goes back up, or it melts. It's just when it becomes ice,
Stoney
it grows. So that's why your pipes burst. But when it goes back to water, it's actually smaller, and so it's actually not going to flood everything if it turns into water again. So I really, I have some problems with some of this.
Jason
Well, I mean, I mean, I mean, how would then that fly in the face of sea levels being 400 feet higher than they were 12,000 years ago.
Stoney
Maybe the water went somewhere. Maybe one of these alien or future technologies came and took our water. Maybe it leaked into the core and turns into steam and dissipates. But you know, at one point what? 15,000 years ago, Louisiana was covered in ice. Not 15,000 Yes, 15,000 years
Jason
ago, yeah, because I would the ice caps reached about where Missouri is today. Everything north of that was covered as ice, actually, Louisiana was actually mostly was under shallow sea. That's the reason why I was so rich in oil. It's because all those that animal life, you know, died, hit the bottom and became oil later became oil later. But I mean, if you look at, I mean, you can look at a Google, pull it up on your phone, and look at Google, you could see the ancient shoreline that one town was exposed. There was a lot more land than there is now, right? That's where some of these tales of massive floods wiping out, yeah,
Stoney
but then you also just kind of answered your own question, as these plates are moving up and down and side to side and pushing this and moving that, maybe it's just displaced the water differently. Well,
Jason
I mean, I will say this that I do believe they I believe the term they use is isostatic pressure, which was what they're saying, is when the ice was at its peak, 25,000 years ago. I mean, it was three mile wa high ice caps, right? Excuse me, I can't even imagine that kind of ice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but what's happening? It places that pressure and it it sort of like lifts the plate, yeah, so to speak. So there's more land now over here, because the the way is, and what happens is, as the ice melted, yeah, it gets lighter, the plate starts going and starts sinking back into the ocean. That's also been postulated that that that could have happened to while vast stretches of land disappeared, like doggerland, yeah, you know, darker lands a very interesting topic, but
Ian
I understand the whole like the political discussion and all the other stuff with climate change and all that stuff, but I don't know all the debating points. I don't know all the frustrations, and I don't know all the science about it, all the one thing I can say is, like, the past three years, the summers have been so much hotter and longer than they ever have been, and that's like, a very real thing to me, where I'm like, I may not understand all the other stuff, but like, one thing I've noticed this year even more so, like having an excessive heat warning for like, almost two months straight, and like, that's, that's a very real thing for me, where it's like, that's now this may just be like a, you know, a symptom of Something. This may just be, like, a season where, you know, we're gonna probably end up, you know, may shift around or something, the heat on everything. But it's just, it's very like, concerning for me, where I was, like, if it's gonna get hotter than this next summer, like, because last year was atrocious and this year was also kind of bad. It's like, man, that's crazy to think that. Well,
Jason
you know, I mean, this is a perfect I personally think they they overanalyze, yeah, weather nowadays. I really do. I I have found they're more wrong now than they seem like they were, when I really,
Stoney
yeah, the Farmers Almanac is actually more accurate than today's weathermen. I
Jason
think they have so much equipment, have so much data, that they they overthink it. I really do, like, you know, perfect example this, per this past week, they predicted that all kind of rain was going to fall, yeah, in our, in our torrential rain. And guess what? Nothing, nothing,
Ian
yeah.
Jason
I mean, it's like,
Stoney
you gotta, we gotta remember this, okay, being a weatherman is a six figure salary position that you can be wrong 90% of the time and still keep your job. I really went into the wrong field
Jason
well, because I think everybody knows deep down that you can't really ultimately predict the weather. You can go off models. You can look at, at, at, at how you think the model will play out, yeah. But beyond that, ultimately, Mother Nature is going to do what Mother Nature is going to do. Technically,
Stoney
since this is a subject of time travel and yeah, future, they're trying to predict the future.
Jason
Not working. They are. They are trying to predict the future, which I think is crazy. I don't think you have enough data to do that, but you can, I
Stoney
mean, there's some things you can see. There's a high front, which kind of can push it to the side a little bit. There's things you can determine, but just the amount of rains and things like that that they're saying they got no clue. What if I can still get paid? What
Jason
about this one? Y'all probably heard of this one, the Montauk Project. Yeah, that's a good one. It says here was Stranger Things inspired by real life time travel experiments, sort of the hit, the hit Netflix show was influenced by the book the Montauk Project experiments in time, by Preston B Nichols and Peter Moon. In the book, Nichols shares his alleged experiences at Camp hero in Montauk, where he where experiments on children with psychic power supposedly opened portals to other dimensions and times. The book also describes the tale of Al bilak. Now, I've, I've, I have read about him who claims I've been part of the famous Philadelphia experience, which everyone knows about, that in the 1940s which supposedly teleported the battleship USS
Stoney
elders, Philadelphia Experiment.
Jason
Yes, yes, that there's a lot of things.
Stoney
Yeah, that's a fascinating story in itself, right there.
Jason
I believe that happened.
Stoney
I do too. I
Jason
do believe that they unfortunately unstumbled upon something, yeah, and the stories of what happened to some of those people on that ship, yeah, people melded into the ship. And, you know, they've fused with the ship on a on a molecular level. I mean, that I can't even imagine. That's what that would have would have been like. Um, I'd like to learn a little bit more about montop, and especially al bilik. Al bilik was a good story. I listened to a podcast on him, which was really good.
Stoney
I was looking at something about and we always talk about this on the show about Hollywood, and maybe they're in bed with the government, showing us things kind of gearing us up, you know, trying things out for size with us. But Star Trek was one of the first shows to talk about time travel. They they tried, they attempted it, and it was the speed of light, and then you had to go around the sun and use the gravitational fields and all of the stuff, and then accidentally, and I'm going to open up a can of worm here, and Ian's head will probably explode, but it was this huge online battle about who would win between the Starship Enterprise and the Millennium Falcon if it got into a battle, huge battle on this thing, so who would win?
Ian
Well, I mean, if we really want to go down this rabbit hole, there's a lot of semantics. I think the Starship Enterprise, Starship Enterprise is so much larger with a full crew of people on it, whereas the Millennium Falcon is a small ship. Yes, it is with a small crew. So I
Jason
would think, I would think start the enterprise, would probably use this tractor beam and hook it.
Ian
As I'm saying, it just feels like, I
Stoney
don't. I was just very surprised to find this huge online. I was just looking at the time travel, of course, yeah, of what the new television and Hollywood was, you know, like interstellar and other, you know, other shows like that are fantastic. And then I just walked into this one going, Really, this is where we're going with this. Come on. Here's the internet.
Ian
It's best for you.
Jason
Here's another one, the vanishing 1940 car originally shared in a 1988 magazine article. This story follows two men who, on an early afternoon in Louisiana during 1969 encountered a vehicle from the past while driving on a highway, the duo glimpse an older vehicle. Upon drawing closer, they saw the slow moving cars license plate, which had the year 1940 on it. Inside, they saw a woman in 40s attire and a child who appeared scared and confused after gesturing to her to pull over to see if she needed help, the two were starting to see that the car had vanished, another driver who witnessed the event also supported their claim. Whether it's true or not, never know. Wow. These are some interesting stories, the Moberly Jordan incident in 1901 two British teachers, Charlotte and Moberly and Eleanor jordane were visiting the Palace of Versailles when they allegedly had the most unusual experience while exploring the petite tree on, if I'm saying that right, a small Chateau on the grounds, the duo reportedly began seeing people in clothing from the 1700s as well as buildings that hadn't existed since the same time period. One of the women claims to have seen Marie Antoinette in person, sketching on the glass they publish a book about their experiences in 1911 called titled An adventure, skeptics have argued they suffered a shared delusion or witness a fancy dress party, regardless, their stories still enjoyed today. Yeah. I mean,
Ian
it all kind of just feels like the like, the crazy UFO sighting stories, where it's like, it's just, they're really interesting stories, but I'm like, I have a hard time substantiating some of it, because it's like, I just don't saying didn't experience that. Because, again, you may have, but is it just some shared delusion that everyone's, you know?
Jason
I mean, the idea of people said, Well, yeah, they had a shared delusion. I mean, I don't know that
Stoney
actually happens. There's mass hysteria, there's mass hypnotism, there's mass things that allow those things to happen. That's documented, that's that, that's more plausible than some of the others. I
Ian
think the shared delusion thing is like when, when there is two or multiple people that can't get a good read on, like the factual situation. Like, for instance, if, like, both of you experience this situation that you don't have full interpretation to describe, but you both come together and, like, come. Them to some kind of conclusion together and like, piece the story, quote, unquote, together into into what you and like, equate it to like fact or like real life, when in actuality, you kind of just like coming up with a story and again, like you're it's a shared delusion. I think it's kind of what it more, instead of like having like, just multiple people that are all out of their minds at
Stoney
the same you kind of talk yourself into believing the same thing. But both
Ian
stone like, just as a hypothesis, both Stoney and I saw something that neither one of us could quite put our our put our finger on. And I was like, I'm almost certain I had whiskers, and I'm almost and it was Marie Antoinette, yes, right, right, exactly. Right, right. That's what I'm saying. Is like, maybe it's more so like, that. We're trying, you're just trying to make, you're trying to put concrete evidence to reality, or whenever it was. You guys just don't really fully comprehend.
Stoney
You know, there was something you said earlier, Jason, about the fact that the universe wouldn't allow something to change the future of the past. There was a movie about that, and I don't want to give any spoilers on it, because it would be a great movie for you, for your show, too. But do you remember the final countdown? I do. I've heard of it. That was a fantastic movie. I really can't remember. I used to have it all memorized, but since my little incident here with my brain, it was a Navy aircraft carrier, yep, found some type of a wormhole, or some type of way to travel into the past. It
Jason
was hit. It was just kind of randomly, random,
Stoney
but some storm, Ion Storm, or something, and they went back to the day of Pearl Harbor. Oh, and basically, they're like, Okay, we're sitting here on, at the time, the greatest weapon system in the world, and now we're back 50 years. Do we want to really stop the Japanese from attacking Pearl Harbor? And basically, as soon as they decided, hey, we're still Navy, we're still got to do this, the wormhole came back and stop them from actually intervening in Wow. Well, I thought that somebody played must have been a playoff of that, right? And
Jason
that's what I'm saying. It's well, if I recall the movie, there was very much a heated discussion, right, right, about what would happen. How would that change the future? If they did that, right? America, America then never enters World War Two, right? You know, a whole divergent timeline could form, right from that
Ian
change the course of history. Literally, yeah,
Jason
literally, you think about that, so America doesn't enter the World War Two, and who knows then? What happens with If the Germans are not having to deal with the American war machine right at that time? So, yeah, Final
Stoney
Countdown. It
Jason
was a great movie. Great movie. It
Stoney
was a good movie. Kurt Douglas, I can't remember all the stars in it, but it was, I love
Jason
the ending. Yes, we have a lot to talk about.
Stoney
So because you don't see the ending coming, no, you don't. You really don't see the ending coming.
Jason
You don't. So
Stoney
they just don't make
Jason
movies like they used to like that. That was a good movie.
Stoney
Here's what I was I had to get on my phone and start because I couldn't remember what it was. Took me almost like 10 minutes to find out the whole thing. And
Jason
Victor Goddard's flight. Here's one y'all might like this one. In 1935 Air Marshal Sir Robert Victor Goddard was flying towards a disused airfield in Scotland. He flew into a strange storm with yellow clouds before descending back into view of the airfield. Somehow, the abandoned airstrip was now in use with mechanics and blue overall, servicing yellow trainer planes. The storm came back, however, and Goddard returned home four years later, what he saw came true. Raf mechanic uniforms changed from brown to blue. Trainer planes were painted yellow, and the airfield was reactivated, complete with a new kind of plane, heat seen from the air. The Magister first flown in 1937 did he have a vision of the future, or did his plane somehow travel through time? Wow. Interesting story that's weird. Yeah. There's also the famous story of the pilot that flew through the Bermuda Triangle, yeah, trying to pull that one up
Ian
because that one, that's the one where his instruments weren't working, correct.
Jason
Everything got, he got, I find it funny here you had this weird fog. Yeah? Know, he also went through the same exact thing, yeah, and he experienced a time, like 100 minutes of time in the future that he lost, crazy. So, yeah, what was the, what was that other movie that kind of deal with that. Was it the maybe I'm thinking of something else, the Tommy knockers, Stephen King, maybe I'm thinking of something else.
Ian
I don't know. Yeah, the crazy thing about, like being a pilot and weather and all that kind of stuff is, like, the the big thing from what I've learned from reading stuff and looking into, like, you know, pilot stories, because I'm interested in doing all that kind of stuff, is, whenever you hit, like, a bout of weather like that, Don't trust your eyes because, like, because you'll be, you'll be upside down or turned around before you know it. Like, get to trust your instruments in those moments like that. And, you know, until they stop working well, well, a lot of times they that's, you know, they're supposed to be. You're supposed to check that beforehand. A lot of times, like, in that moment, whenever you have, like, your instruments, like, as far as, like, heading and speed and all that kind of stuff, that's what you're supposed to focus on, because what's around you is obscured, and it's hard to like, there's no reference for, like, where you are in space and what's going on. And that's a big situation where pilots focus, don't focus on instruments, and end up, you know, in a bad spot or turned around, which is scary, I mean,
Jason
I mean, they do have, you know, I don't know when people say this. I mean, who, who am I to say they didn't experience, Oh, yeah. I mean,
Ian
right, and that's why I always try to, I feel like I take that skeptical approach, but I'm always willing to be wrong, because at the same time, I don't know, I never, I didn't experience that. And I feel like if I was in a moment like that where I'm experiencing crazy, I'd probably be like, well, this is, this is crazy, and I have no explanation for this. So yeah, I don't, I don't blame anyone for, you know, trying to again, even in that the hysteria thing, like we're talking about is, like, I was trying to grapple with what you're seeing or what you're feeling, because you're like, I don't, none of this feels, quote, unquote, we saw something or I saw something that's not right, I can't really explain. And it could be something that is, you know, in the perfect circumstances, able to be described as something else. But whenever you're, you know, panicking or scared or, you know, don't have all your faculties like, you know, things can be,
Jason
I see something here project Pegasus. Have y'all heard about that? Yes,
Ian
I don't think I've heard of that
Jason
one. If time travel does exist, and many believe that it goes right to the very top of world governments. And project Peck is, as we have, probably the most famous claim ever made, that not only are time travelers or Chrono notch real, but that at least one former US president is one of them. Whoa, one. Andrew bassio is the leading voice behind the Pegasus store. He claims to have been part of a highly classified us program that ran through the 1960s 70s and 80s. It allegedly involved teleportation and time travel, as well as wider reaching applications for such technology, including long distance space travel. Passaggio, saggio says that the initiative was run by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency DARPA. I don't know I read about DARPA. Oh, yeah, that's all. That's a world that's a can of worms there, and that he was just a child when he participated. He says that most of it was built around what was known as the jump room from which people could demo I have heard of this. Could could dematerialize to remature somewhere else in some time else, easily. The most bizarre aspect of massages claims, though, is that that he says that ex President Barack Obama was part of Pecos issue back then, Obama reportedly went by the name of Barry and was even sent to Mars on multiple occasions, all via the jump room. The White House unsurprisingly denied any of that was true. Yeah,
Ian
that's crazy. I've read a little bit about that. Actually, I've heard but about that, and it is kind of I is a bit out there, from what I've seen.
Jason
No, I mean, it's Yep. I mean, who knows? I mean we. Mean we. It's easy to just to dismiss this stuff. It is when. It's fantastical. We could say, well, they're all just crazy, right? Maybe they are, but we really don't know that. Yeah.
Ian
So, yeah, what do you I guess, what are your thoughts on it? What is your I mean, how do you feel about some of that stuff? Well,
Jason
I'm a firm believer. I'm very open to the idea of any of this stuff. I i am very comfortable, and I've kind of gotten these conversations with, you know, people in my faith group, yeah, and just other people of faith that that have problems with these sort of topics, I am of the opinion that I'm very comfortable living in tension.
Stoney
I agree that I
Jason
have faith, and I believe that ultimately there is a Creator, and I believe in the in Christianity, that that God revealed Himself in Jesus Christ, I'm also open to the possibility that we have not discovered all of our physical reality, right? And and just because we haven't discovered it or it seems crazy, yeah, maybe it's not crazy. We just have not reached that level of understanding yet of our own physical world, right? And I'm not even talking about a supernatural world, which I believe that's something completely different, right? Yeah, our own physical world is so complex that we only know a fraction of of what we think is reality. Yeah, and science are pushing those boundaries every day, with dark matter, with with anti matter, with black holes and worm all these things that bending time, yeah, space, folding of space,
Ian
the thing that in that same breath you're talking about that puts a lot of things in perspective for me, not only like Faith based, but also in the physical world, is like the the idea of placebos, as well as just like studies that I've read on where like people, especially later in life, if they're told to, like, keep a positive mindset about their that, like, they can do something that like you, instead of, like, constantly, like talking down to yourself that you're old, you can't do this, or I'm too old for that, or whatever it's like getting rid of that. And like thinking of yourself as capable and believing that a lot of it being in the mind, how the physical body changes whenever your mind is oriented correctly, you can take a placebo, and if you believe that it's going to fix the problem, like your mind believes it, and therefore your body lines up with it, like it's that kind of stuff, for me, that really like it, it puts into perspective how little I feel like I know about the world when it's like, as long if you really, if You really put your mind to it, and you, I mean, really believe it, like your body will line up, and that's just, that's just scientific fact. And for most people, you know, I'm not saying it's always the case, but like, it's even in that regard where it's, like, like, just the thought of that, where, like, just you believing something reinforces that, which is like, I said, like, like, kind of, for me, at least it strengthens my faith in some way, you know, that kind of stuff. But at the same time, talking about folding of space and all this stuff where it's like, I mean, for me, it just feels like a little one, one jump and jump over to talk about the craziness of space and how vast and crazy it is. I don't understand, but we
Stoney
don't know anything about black holes and wormholes, right? When you're looking we're talking about gravity and energy and frequency. We don't know what happens if you get sucked into a black hole. Yeah, and we don't know how small they are or how big they are. We think we know some things because of some pictures and some satellites and stuff like that, but we don't really know what's out there. We have a very limited view on what we have on this planet, and that's about as far as we can go, right? And sometimes, sometimes maybe something in that universe impacts us here on this planet, and now we can't figure out what it is, yeah, but it doesn't mean it's not there. It doesn't mean other people haven't experienced it. It just means that today we haven't experienced it well, because black holes are pretty fascinating just along, you know, oh yeah, themselves, just the amount of energy and yeah, how fast they can. Just
Ian
something, right? And just the mystery of it, all of, like, what, what? Where's it all going? What is it all doing? Like, what, I know, obviously, it's probably somewhere, right, right? Yeah, that's just, it's crazy. But also, like, I mean, that's part of the world, like you're talking about before, about having, you know, or even so simple as, like, just the the ocean and the very planet we live on. We've talked about that on this podcast before, about there's a whole bunch of the ocean we don't understand anything about. Crazy.
Jason
Well, I just pulled up DARPA, yeah, defense, Advanced Research Projects, agency, forward to the future visions of 2045, Did y'all see this? No, it's pretty.
Ian
What are they hoping?
Jason
What is it? I mean, it's they have different things that they're looking at here, space, interplanetary, interstellar travel, include faster than light travel missions when permanent settlements on the Moon, Mars and asteroid belt, space elevators, transportation and energy, self driving, electric vehicles improved mass transit systems and intercontinental travel, flying cars and hoverboards, high efficiency, solar and other sustainable energy sources, medicine and health, neurological devices, from memory, augmentation, story, storage and transfer and perhaps to read people's thoughts, life extension, including virtual immortality via uploading brains into computers, artificial cells and organs, Star Trek style, tricorder for home diagnostics and treatment. Wearable tech, such as exoskeletons and augmented reality glasses and contact lenses, material robotics, ubiquitous nanotechnology, 3d printing and robotics, invisibility and cloaking devices, energy shields, anti grab devices.
Ian
So just everything sci fi related, every
Jason
they're working on, all this that's wild they're working on all this time travel technology will be close, but will be closely guarded by the military as a matter of national security. We already did this tomorrow. This was a few predictions inspired us to respond directly. So it wouldn't be surprisingly. It wouldn't surprise me at all that they've actually mastered time travel. We just don't know it.
Stoney
We don't know a lot. They're not telling us anything except what they want us to know.
Jason
Yeah, so DARPA is a that's a that would be a good show to do. Yeah, there's a lot on DARPA. It really is a
Stoney
friend, Brandon could probably come back on that one. Oh,
Jason
I'm sure he would have a lot of information on that. Probably need to bring it back, right? This is fun episode. Oh, yeah, as I enjoyed it. Thank you all for for entertaining. Hope our audience will get a little kick out of it. Yeah,
Ian
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Jason
goodbye, everyone. God bless
Stoney
Hey. Thanks for hanging out with us today. You're the best. Peace.