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Health Food Industry (feat. Lucy Ramos) | Retrospect Ep.154
In this week’s episode we discussed the health food industry, holistic foods, and supplements with a special guest, Lucy Ramos. Also, Miranda made an appearance to share some of her expertise on the matter. Lucy is the owner of a health store that sells all types of foods, vitamins, and supplements for over 25 years.
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Speakers
Miranda (34%), Lucy (25%), Jason (25%), Stoney (12%), Ian (5%)
Ian
Ian, welcome to the retrospect podcast, a show where people come together from different walks of life and discuss a topic from their generation's perspective. My name is Ian, and as always, I'm joined by Stoney,
Jason
hello
Ian
and Jason,
Jason
hello everyone.
Ian
And before we introduce our guest, I feel like I would be remiss if I didn't introduce Miss Miranda on the podcast. She's been so long, I feel like, since we've had you on here, and I feel like I had to also introduce you as well. So welcome. I'm glad to have you back. Anyways, Jason, you said you brought a
Jason
yes, you know, when we started, you know, we brought up this idea of health food and health supplements, and we thought that would kind of be an interesting kind of angle to tackle Troy
Stoney
on with some holistic and some right type, you know, lively, you know, red light therapy, yeah, oxygen chamber, things like that. And they got into the diet also,
Jason
diet also, and that's a huge market. So I started thinking, Who could I call that would be kind of a kind of an expert that would kind of know this world. So I reached out to my friend that we've all know, Jennifer Richardson, and she recommended Lucy, who owns Lucy's health food store. Hi, Lucy. And so Jennifer gave me her number. I made a phone call, we communicated, and she was like, all in and so I welcome you to our podcast, Lucy, and please tell us about yourself.
Lucy
Well, my name is Lucy Ramos, and I own the health store like you just said, Lucy's health foods in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Thank you for the invitation.
Jason
How did you get into this business? I mean, what drew you into all this?
Lucy
I started working as a student, working at health store called living through 30 something years ago.
Jason
I think I know where that might be.
Lucy
Yes, that's where I started. And for some reason, that's one of the things that you see people come in and listen that I just went to the doctor and they cannot find what's wrong with me. I feel this, and I feel bad. They gave me some medicine that really helped and kind of gave me like, Okay, well, I want to get something where I can help people get better, you know, have a better lifestyle, and not just start doing that. That's awesome. I've just been enjoying it, doing it,
Ian
yeah, and so you've been, you've been doing it ever since then. Wow, you said you
Stoney
were a student worker, so well
Lucy
with an LSU, came to LSU to was doing some second language, still learning something here. But then I start, you're working a part time, few hours just to practice and everything. And then you do
Stoney
have a very unique accent, and you're from Spain, my
Lucy
family's from Spain, or my family's from Spain, a
Stoney
little bit of that.
Jason
Well, that's, that's great. So, so you say you've been, you've now owned Lucy's for how long? You said 3033, years. 33 years at the, I assume, at the current location. Or have you moved?
Lucy
I start with the overpass, and then we moved to another store in Highland Road, big store. And then when, you know this big, big ones came, you know, whole food, right? Kinda moved to a small location. And then I've been there since I've been there the last location, I've been there for 13 years, and I was 3017, and the other one before, wow.
Jason
Okay, so what exactly? So you said you had, you had some health issues, and you were going to the doctor, and the doctor was giving you typical drugs that they prescribed to you, and that wasn't obviously addressing your needs. So what I mean, what? How did, how did you kind of really dive into this, this health food. I know you say you worked as a student worker, but what's kind of driving this, this, this hunger to to learn about supplements and what they can do versus what traditional medicine can't do.
Lucy
Um, the first with the seeing people with the needs they get better and having no results. And I said, Well, wait, we know this. We can do something to help people to get better. And that's when I start studying. And all my researches start with saying, like, you know, major places like Baylor University, University. California Mayo Clinic, PubMed, I don't get just Google, because you can find information, right? No, you know, reliable, but, and it started studying all this, you know, vitamins, supplements, in different kind of natural medicine, this ineffective. I mean, I have a lot of testimonies and people there using it. And one
Stoney
of the things I like to say on the show, and I've said a number of times in many conversations, is that 50 years ago, bread had three ingredients. It had water, flour, yeast, maybe sometimes a little pinch of salt in there. And now bread is illegal. American bread is illegal outside of the United States, and it has 36 to 39 ingredients, and most of them are petroleum based chemicals to enhance flavor or whatever. What are your thoughts on that being in you know, the health food and holistic. What
Lucy
do you think, really, that we're doing really disappointing. I think a part of the this world that we live in right now, people live longer, but they live sick, right? So, man, you can live to 8090, but, I mean, you've been six, and so you are probably 4050, I
Stoney
think they're making us live longer so they can charge us to keep us healthy and not really fix it, but fix the symptoms.
Lucy
And the thing about the way that people, you know, they get so sick, is the way they the way they live and the way they eat. You know, you go and it's so easy to get something just to heat up and get a dinner, you just heat it up and eat it. And when you're really getting the ingredients on it, what are you eating? Preservatives, colors, all this stuff like petroleum based food. There's no really chicken. They don't really have chicken on it, you know, that kind of thing. The bread, like you said, is my grandma used to make the bread, and it was like, dry, open it, and it was like, water, little bit of yeast, salt, let it grow and then put it in an oven. We
Stoney
live in a society where there's artificial lemon flavor in the lemonade, but we also have real lemons in the furniture polish that makes no sense to me. Yes, you know, this is what they're advertising, correct
Jason
well, so I kind of really want to dive into this a little bit about supplements. What I mean, can you, can you shed some light on what are good? There's so many supplements out there, and you It's overwhelming. I mean, I go to stores and I, you know, I see all kind of things, and so I just kind of get lost in the shuffle when it comes to the supplement market. Can you shed some light on you know about that world? What, what you know, maybe some recommendations of some good things, things that may not be that beneficial to you or or would be really beneficial to you? Can you talk about that a little bit, and just your expertise in that
Lucy
Well, the main thing that you want to do is keep your body healthy. Of course, whatever you're eating is the main thing exercise. It will be another one help, but it's the other part where the supplements really play a big role, because our body deteriorating constantly because all these radicals and all this free radicals destroying our cells and all that. So what we can do to help our body to get better? So start taking some of antioxidants. And the main thing is you can get supplements everywhere. A lot of you know, pharmacies and big stores and all has vitamin minerals and everything, but they all synthetic. I would say, if you really want to get something to help your body heal, go for the natural vitamins. Go for the natural supplements, vitamin C, from real, real vitamin C.
Jason
Where do you Okay, so that that? Well, what is real vitamin C? Where do you
Lucy
get that? When help for the store, I have everything they have is ascorbic acid or from real oranges, you know. Okay, your body absorb, recognize like a natural and absorb it.
Jason
How much vitamin C should we be getting normally, I recommend
Lucy
1000 a day, but it's all depend. You know what is going on with you? If you have a weak immune system of you've been sick, I probably recommend them more. But since I'm not medical doctor, every time they suggest something, I always tell people, ask your doctor to make sure that it's okay to get that I'm. Own. And then they go for there.
Miranda
This is something that I can take a deep dive on. Yeah, I used to be the in house physician expert at a big vitamin company over in Houston. And along along these lines, when you start doing the deep dive on supplements, you'll find certain things like vitamin C. There used to be literally dozens of vitamin C manufacturers. Now, there's pretty much, there's, I think there's one in one of the Scandinavian countries, and everything else is made out of China. So almost all vitamin C, probably 9998 99% comes from China, and it's all derived from corn. So if, if you have an allergy to corn, and you know, all corn is GMO, now you're, you know, even if you're buying high quality supplements, it all comes from the same place. So you have to be a very self educated consumer to buy supplements in this day and age, because there's only so many manufacturers of the raw materials and the raw material providers, how do I put this? There are some sneaky people out there, and so when you buy, let's say you, you know your raw materials often come either in boxes with the bags in the box, or they come in great big, great big barrels. And so as a company, as a manufacturer, when you get these barrels in to make your supplements, let's say it's Vitamin C powder from from Europe or from China, you might only put in your little your testing tools to take out a little sample so you can put it on, you know, a spectrometer, and see that it does identify as vitamin C. Most companies are only going to test the top of the barrel, and these raw material suppliers know this, so they'll put the crappy products through 70, 80% of the barrel, and they'll just put the good stuff on top. So when people are testing it, tests it tests grabbing the top. And there's very few supplement manufacturers that will the quality control QC through throughout the whole product. But people don't tell you this. It's, it's like all Vitamin E virtually comes from soy. So you'll have even on labels, because when you, when you buy a vitamin, and it says on the back, it's got that little wheat logo, and it says it's, you know, celiac approved, or wheat free, or all this kind of stuff. All those are pay to play symbols. All of those symbols are pay to play. So it doesn't really mean anything. It means that that manufacturer has bought that little designation on their label. So you have to really investigate and start buying your products from companies like a lot of the small manufacturers that are still selling through health food stores, or the providers that you know sell through doctor's offices that are doing the QC and that are avoiding excipients, avoiding fillers, avoiding what I call kitchens, the kitchen sink type of formulas. And most of the things that are sold in the big box stores are Kitchen Sink formulas. They'll say, oh, it's got this and this and this and this and this in it. So that they can say it has it in it, but it never has enough to appreciably do anything? So you can say it's on the label, but it's never enough to do what it's supposed to do. So you have to, you have to really do a deep dive to have targeted formulas. What
Jason
are some, and I'm asking kind of as an open statement, what are some of the better companies that you can that someone can reliably Lucy, I mean, what are some of those? I'm
Lucy
really picky about getting products at the store, and I mean, they have to be a good quality products. And a lot of my customers know that I only work with companies. They are guaranteed that everything they have is already being tested and clinically researches and everything we have a company like nature's plus been in business for probably over 30 something years or more. And europharma is one of the companies there really has
Jason
a Euro pharma, Euro pharma, Euro pharma, okay?
Lucy
I mean not seeing people like getting better and like, I mean, you can tell they come back to the store and say, You gave me my life back. When you listen down, you go like, wow. So you can really tell that's powerful.
Jason
So, so everybody should be taking a multivitamin every day?
Lucy
Yes, the reason they are normally recommended. And I always ask people that you take a good multi. Said, Yeah, I could take one a day, not really a good multi. You need something just, you know, more like your body can absorb it and you can feel it. And. Yeah, the same thing. We go back to the way that we eat whatever if we put in our body, and if we eat carrots and broccoli and all that. Yes, great. But the soil has been so depleted that we don't get in all the vitamins and nutrients that we used to have years ago. So we have to help our body to keep healthy, just our
Jason
food supplies in bad shape. I remember watching the show, and I think I've mentioned it on this podcast before. It was a series put out on the vice network. It was something to the effect of, you know, we're all going to die the, you know, blah, blah, blah, whatever it was, and it had different segments of different aspects of of life. And one of the segments was a food supply, and how the food supply has been so compromised. Well,
Miranda
what's interesting about that is, when you look up, let's say you go on, you know, one of the like, MyFitnessPal apps, and you want to see what your macros are, what you're getting in, what your nutrients that you're getting in is, if it says your orange has 60 calories and so many grams of carbs, and let's say 55 milligrams of vitamin C, and you know, rattle down the list of all the nutrients It has in it? Well, all of those were set back in the early 1940s and so what we think is in our food, our food no longer tests with those levels. Our food is testing about an eighth of the levels. So you still, we're still being held to that standard, even though our food is like 16% of the nutrient content, about 16% of what it used to be. So people think that they're eating better than what they actually are. And it used to be, if you went and, you know, we had farm to market, so you would the farmers would grow things. You would either buy them directly from the farmer. You would buy fresh produce right from, right from the local market, and things were not kept but now you can go to Whole Foods, and you buy your apple and it might have been in cold storage for eight months. Well, we know once we pick something, all of those nutrients start degrading, even if they're kept in cold storage, so and it starts going down dramatically. So you think you're eating better than what you actually are, even if you're spending your entire paycheck at Whole Paycheck.
Jason
Yeah, I know I spend a lot of at Whole Foods, you know, and for because they just have some things that I can't find anywhere else. And I'm in that area of town a lot, so I'm there. But, you know, sometimes I don't know if I'm if I'm taking enough vitamins. I really don't. I think I eat healthy, but sometimes I wonder if I really eating healthy.
Ian
I recently. I mean, I recently,
Jason
I don't know. I mean, it's, I'm kind of at a loss.
This isn't, this is by no means medical advice in any capacity. But recently, I've been, like, I've been watching more of what I've been eating, and I've been going to the gym more often because of this whole, this whole this performance on the part of, like, I've told you guys about where I'm going to be, like, doing a lot of heavy lifting. So like, I went back to the gym, and I've been watching my diet a little bit more, and recently, I took a trip and came back and started feeling a little bit sick. And so like, I just took a day off, I took some vitamins, and I made sure to keep myself, like, I kept myself hydrated and everything. And like, I may, I may have been like, fully ill for like, the rest of the day, but by the next morning, I was like, Man, I feel like a whole new person. I still kept it easy, I still kept myself hydrated. I made sure to eat healthy, my vitamins and all that stuff. But by the time, like, the weekend was over, I was like, I mean, I feel, I feel fine, so I'm still, you know, like, I at that time, I was like, Okay, I'm still going to be cautious in case, for whatever reason, I want to over, overextend myself. But I was like, I remember a time whenever I would get knocked out for what felt like a week or so, and now I'm, you know, it may have been a day or so, and that got me, it could have been a number of things, but for me, I was like, I know that I've been more proactive in my health, and I think it is, I like to think that it's showing a little bit. So I have
Stoney
a question for you. Miss Lucy in your store, how do you balance promoting products that are healthy with the challenge of keeping them affordable and accessible? Because if you go to any store, Walmart, market, or Whole Foods or whatever. It's so expensive to eat healthy these days, it's just convenient to go get something that's really bad for you, throw it in the microwave. Throw it in the oven. How do you do that in your store? How do you work with that?
Lucy
Well, I tried the My goal is get. A good quality products. They're going to be a little bit more expensive than the one that you get those places that you just mentioned, but when you see the result, like he was saying, yeah, if you start taking all this, you know, vitamin C and your multivitamins and your probiotics, and you get something getting, you know, sick, you can tell your body recuperate faster because it's strong, your immune system is strong, and it's because you're taking a good supplement. So when people start seeing that, then you know, it really makes it different. But price layer, I mean, I have company that had really, really good and also have a good prices, and it's just kind of depend what it has on it. I have a multivitamin that has a lot of stuff on it, but if you come back and say, well, and my doctor said I need more vitamin D, such as, pretty common now, because everybody had the efficiency of vitamin D. So is there,
Ian
like, is there like, things you look for in products where you're like, oh, I need to stay away from that, like, like, in your store, like, if you are, like, trying to get new, new products or items, if, yeah,
Lucy
like, they did three, then now, did I recommend it to take it with a k2, and a lot of places you go, it's just, it's playing d3, and then people come back and said, I was taking the three for a long time, and it just came from the doctor, and it's still Low. Then I give you the one that we have, the chewable. So Michaels and three months later, people come back with a test result. Look, went up. So that's it. You know that the whole thing about giving something that work?
Jason
What are some you know, we all know about your your basic vitamins, vitamin A, vitamin B, vitamins. What are some, some supplements out there that are not quite as known, that are very, very helpful, that just, it just, it's just not in the common knowledge that you hear people talk about. Well,
Lucy
normally, when people go to the store, they already have a diagnosis, or sometimes they just come and see, well, I want to just feel healthy. I want to feel better. And I know there are a lot of people they have issues with inflammation. Yeah, that's a bad mind a main thing. I think it caused a lot of problems in our body, even the Deray the immune system in the consumption of sugar. Healthy words, it please cut back in sugar, because they having so many problems with health. And so when I start recommended stuff, I always can be asking, What are they doing, how their lifestyle? And I just get suggestion what I can do. And when they start saying, Well, you know, in the morning, I can't barely move, I said, well, there is some products, like Curcumin is turmeric, and there, like the regular turmeric that you can get the yellow powder and mix it, such as being in YouTube and Tiktok and all that. It's something really powerful. I mean, it's so powerful they can go deep in yourselves. They have clinically started the doctor they're doing, I got all this names, a doctor doing the clinical researches on it, on turmeric, yeah. But specifically one brand pharma, they had that curamid pyramid. That's the name pyramid. Okay. Product is really powerful. It can help you with arthritis, osteitis, cancer, diabetes, inflammation,
Jason
I mean several things to try some of that. That might be something give you, yeah, try that. What about I've been hearing a lot about mushrooms and mushroom powder. What's, what's the thing about mushrooms? It? Or is this the magical unicorn of magic, unicorn of I think there.
Ian
I think there's some truth in some of it. But I think alive, it also is fat. Thanks, fad. Yeah,
Jason
that's kind of what I'm just I'm curious. I mean, you would know better than me. I just see what I see on TV or an advertisement. Everything
Lucy
kind of goes like a waves. You know, sometimes you see a product that come, everybody's taking it, and everybody's talking about apple cider vinegar. Everybody's talking so that, right now, we are in the mushroom thing. Mushroom has been using general health for a long time, and they have an extract that actually is a better glucan to boost your immune system. And there are, you know, different kinds of mushroom, but like I said, you have to really get it for a good source, right? Because, I mean, there is a lot of stuff. They said it has lion's mane and this and that and and sometimes they're not,
Miranda
yeah, I know you got something going on. Well, you know, I, I know all the weird stuff. Some of the leading research in oncology with natural supplements is all geared towards specific mushroom extracts. And, you know, we're not talking about the standard like Cordyceps or anything like that. There's. Really oddball ones, particularly out of the Asian countries that are doing some phenomenal things. And there's also, in addition to the their anti carcinogenic type of properties, they have some neurological properties. So people are really jumping on board with that. But when you have, when you think about it, there's more fungi organisms on Earth than people or or types of other organisms. So the fact that they might have independently evolved to contain, you know, some of these compounds that might be beneficial, it, it makes sense. But the the research in there, like, there's whole branches of functional medicine, that's, that's all they touch. Is different mushroom sciences,
Jason
okay, well, because I, you know, I've been seeing of like, oh, there's something to this. I'm in the, I'm
Ian
in the coffee world, and everyone's talking about mushroom coffee. And some of the, again, if sourced correctly, and if done properly there, I think there is some. It's, it's cool, it's interesting. It but more often than not, a lot of these convenient brands, they're just putting some stuff in there, making it taste funny. They're like, Oh, it's doing so many things, really doing anything but, you
Miranda
know, but that's a thing. It's a good point to make about brands is that we've all heard of Big Pharma. Big Pharma has had their eyes on the nutraceutical industry for quite some time, and they have been systematically buying up a lot of companies. So it's like Bragg vinegar, you know, button up a couple of years ago. There's a lot of different things. You know, back when I was in the nutraceutical industry, the owner of that company said, usually, every 12 to 18 months, a big pharma company would approach them and say, How much, how much for your company. And when you look at, you know, the top players in the whole nutraceutical world and in the health and wellness world, the biggest player is Amway.
Jason
Like I remember Amway back in the day. But Amway has
Miranda
been buying up vitamin companies, drug companies, supplemental around,
Stoney
yeah, it's just in a different fashion.
Miranda
There they're they're in the same way that you like how you have Nestle and L'Oreal and these giant conglomerates, amways number one. And who would have thought? No. You know, nobody ever anticipated that Amway bought out metagenics, and metagenics was the largest physician only dietary supplement company. It's now Amway. So like I said, you have to do your research. A lot of the small mom and pop companies, because of FDA regulations, have kind of been forced out, or they're forced to sell to other players, because with the FDA guidelines on how companies have to meet manufacturing guidelines, the bigger the company, the faster they had to hit those guidelines. So the smaller companies had a longer length of time to to hit those goals. But that forced, that was an administrative burden that forced a lot of the smaller companies to sell to us, to close up the doors or sell. So you know, when you see some of these small companies or like buying from other countries, they have stronger guidelines, manufacturing guidelines that they have to adhere to, and sometimes that's safer than buying American made product, which you hate to say, because you always want to buy you buy USA, but you know, some of some of the European standards are far superior to what we have.
Jason
And that's a shame. It really is, because, you know, you do want to buy made in the USA, but I sometimes wonder some things I would rather not be made from, you know, here, because I just our standards are not very, are just not very tight and, uh, it's just, it's a shame, and it depends
Miranda
on what you want to buy, you know. So it's like, like I said, like, all vitamin C, pretty much comes from China. There's certain, there's certain ingredients that you can only get from the European or the Asian market. China has gone out of their way to buy up a lot of supplement manufacturers and raw material suppliers, just like how they bought up most of the drug manufacturing facilities around the world. So it's part of a kind of a concerted effort.
Stoney
I want to touch on something Jason said there. But when, when you look at and there's something in the news really big right now that the FDA just got called out for over supposedly, over 50% of their money comes from big pharma and agriculture, and so they what they did was, in the last couple of days, they put out their their list of funding, and it was only 47% comes from big pharma and agriculture. So how can you govern, or are manage something that they're paying you to? Do so. The FDA was originally designed to take care of Americans. It's the Food and Drug Administration, and they're supposed to govern companies to protect us. But when Miranda said this earlier, pay to play, that's what they're doing. They're not protecting us, because 50% of their funding comes from agriculture and Big Pharma, and it's kind of crazy, because they just got called out on it, but only 47% of our funding comes from that. It's still 50%
Miranda
owner of vaccine patents out there too. Yes, yes, but yeah, with with the FDA. And this is what's interesting, is you'll always see certain, certain people selling supplements online. Will will make comments about or or even certain doctors. Well, don't take supplements. It's not FDA approved. Well, the FDA does not approve or disapprove dietary supplements. What they do have prevalence over, however, is the manufacturing facilities that made dietary supplements. So when I worked for one, we were just down the road from the FDA. They whenever they had a new person to train, they would bring them over. They want to come in. They want to check your SOPs, your manufacturing guidelines. They want to make sure everything is made in a clean environment. But they have no control over what you put out, but they do have control over what you say and what you advertise, and so that's why a lot of companies will have, you know, all that little fine print on the bottom of ads in health food magazines, because as a The FDA says you cannot say a health food or a supplement does anything, because if you say it does something that's making a Drug claim. So you have to say vitamin C supports healthy arterial health, or, you know, magnesium supports healthy brain function. You can only say that a supplement helps support normal function. You can't say it does anything. Or you're making a drug claim.
Jason
Well, you know, that kind of brought back some memories of a podcast I listened to regarding the foundations of the American Medical Association and how really, prior to the AMA becoming the de facto kind of governing body, There was really two schools of medicine. It was doctors with traditional drugs that was developing, and then you had Holistic Health, which is basically herbs and stuff like that, that people went out in the yard and used as part of healing. And it was very interesting to see how the AMA really squashed that side of medicine. It was amazing the number of medical schools at one time that trained medical professionals in holistic health, just as they had medical schools with kind of the traditional route that we understand today, but at some point in our history, it wasn't that long ago, um, there was two schools of medicine, and they were equally viewed in a positive way. Um, unfortunately, um, they needed to make doctors to be able to make money, and so to basically make them where people would need to go to them, or you have to look at it like, guess what happened? Well, they started squashing the other side, and
Stoney
it's why they do that. It's like, why doesn't the government want you to steal or kill? Because they don't want the competition. Heaven forbid, you find something that can actually cure or help a person, then the medical field is going to come in and make it illegal and you can't buy or sell it anymore because it's not a drug. What is it? A cured patient is a non paying patient anymore. So they don't actually want us healthy. They are trying to keep us to live longer, keeping us living longer and sick. They don't want us healthy, because if we actually got healthy one day, we wouldn't need them, then they wouldn't be making these high dollars. Why do you think these doctors made so much money off of the covid vaccine and saying how many car accidents the person died from covid because they don't want us healthy. They have never wanted this healthy. And this goes back to our friend JD Rockefeller, who spent $125 million in 1905 to create a school system that created stupid people. But he was also one of the first founding members of a pharmaceutical company that was petroleum based because he said, I'm going to keep people sick and slaves, and I'm going to bankrupt America because they tried to take away his. Pharmaceutical, his petroleum companies. So this is a direct attack on the American family. Yet again, I know our listeners are tired of me saying this, but it's still the truth. This is a direct attack on the Americans, and it's not stopping
Jason
well that that episode I just looked up I was telling you about as well as college called it's, it's, it's no longer playing anymore. But the archives is, while the rest of us die, and that episode dealing with food, it was, it's called Food kills. So everybody wants to check that out. It's, uh, it's very sobering of what we're experiencing now, and it's only gotten worse, because a lot of our farmland is being bought up. A lot of our food producing facilities are now owned by foreign countries. We're sending food off to other countries to get processed and then brought back. I have a hard issue. I mean, I have a hard problem with that. I really do miss Lucy.
Stoney
Let me throw something your way. I believe one of the biggest scams put on the American public was the food pyramid, and that was mostly led by the grain industry and the dairy industry. To say, you need so much grain, so much dairy, but we're going to stop you from wanting fats in your diet, this is what you need over here. What do you think about the food pyramid and holistic and just a healthy lifestyle?
Lucy
I really think it does. You really don't have to do the pyramid the way they you know they telling you to do you necessarily have to have a balance. What you eating grains used to be something that people eat all the time, when it was really, like a real grain, no, like genetically modified. Then we eat it now with who knows what? Put it in there. You can't find out anything. There's corn, wheat, any of those grain, they are not genetically modified. So that's a no no, the pyramid and no brain, all those. You can do some grains, but, I mean, you have to get make sure they are organic, they're non genetic, non GMO, right? And um, and just trying to give it a diet more like a Mediterranean style. Well,
Jason
I was about ready to say that. That's what I'm saying, The Mediterranean diet I've heard that is the diet. My doctor tells me that all the time, Mediterranean diet. What does
Ian
that consist of? Balance,
Lucy
a lot of fish, really, not fish, vegetables. Yeah, you're still going to have your proteins and stuff, and not as much carbs, but definitely something.
Miranda
And no seed oils, because we I was over, I
Lucy
was gonna go, that's gonna go. My next thing about the oils, all those oils, because inflammation, that's the problem that we have inflammation. So I always said, avocado oil, coconut oil and olive oil, that's
Jason
it. Well, that's all I use is. Now I don't use coconut oil, but I've heard a lot of good things about coconut oil. Coconut
Miranda
it helps prevent Alzheimer's. It helps coconut oil, Yep, yeah. They have found that people that take at least this tablespoon of it a day, their incident rate of Alzheimer's, it's like, cut by like 80%
Jason
really? Yeah, wow. I pass that. I pass that on to my mother.
Lucy
I recommend it with the curamid, I told you, yeah, come with Alzheimer or dementia or want to prevent it. That's what I recommend it. I said, take the curamid and get, like, stir fried or whatever, where you coconut oil or put the coconut oil in something hot, tea, any drinks. Just stir it around, drinking when the time that you same time that you doing the pyramid.
Jason
Now I hear about when it comes to oils, olive oil and coconut oil and avocado oil, when you warm it up or use it to cook, it supposedly degrades. Is that true? Does it lose its potency if you use it to to cook something? I mean, it
Miranda
depends. Is the million dollar answer if you're cooking it for a long, long, extended periods of time, yes. And certain heat, certain oils are much more unstable given heat. But they used to always say, don't heat olive oil, you know, use use peanut oil, use avocado oil, use whatever. But they're actually backtracking on that now and saying it olive oil is much more stable than what they anticipated before. Okay, we cook with olive oil here. Yeah,
Lucy
same me too.
Jason
Yeah. I use, well, I use avocado oil a lot to cook with, and then I usually use olive oil for finishing, finishing or put something because I'd heard it doesn't have a very high smoke point. Yeah, it it not like avocado oil hurt is better when it comes to that. So that's why I use so, yeah. Uh, matter of fact, of course, you know, when we have these things, I always like to look at kind of we are a generational podcast. So I like to see how the the different generations kind of view these topics. But I pulled up an article here. Y'all may have seen this that out of nutraceutical I don't have heard of that.
Miranda
I subscribe
Jason
generational divide. The drivers behind dietary supplement demands, they say here, the total global dietary supplement market saw a CAGR. Now I don't know what that stands for, because I can't find the the an acronym for that, but of of 5.2% during 2016 to 2021 which led to a market revenue of 76 billion in 20 in 2021 growth in The industry is projected to continue at CAGR of 2.4% during 21 through 26 market expansion is also giving consumers heightened focus on health and wellness. For example, approximately 20% of European consumers
Ian
CAGR stands for compound annual growth rate.
Jason
Okay, well, then there it is. 20% of European consumers said they use dietary supplements. I'm trying to see here. I saw something about Generation X and all that says many European consumers are new to the dietary supplement category. 34% the Generation X demographic reports the highest proportion using dietary supplements for one to three years. Comparatively, 48% of Generation Z and 49% of millennials, the highest proportion across all age groups reported they've been using the products for less than one year, the high percentage of European consumers who have been using supplements for less than a year raises questions about the longevity of usage. I'm curious about that. When you see people in your store and you get them on a dietary supplement, how long are they consistent with it? I mean, is it? I mean, there's a kind of a natural waning over time. It's like, okay, I'm done, or I just kind of get out the habit of doing it. Or what do you what in your what do you see in your, your practice?
Lucy
What I see is when people go to the store, for example, say, look, I want to do something different. I've been feeling so tired. I went to the doctor. All my tests are normal, but I just don't feel that way, right. Feel horrible. Tell me what to do. And I said, Well, let's start with something just in general, a good multi Omega three. And I normally recommend the Omega three specific brands. They had zero mercury, because we have to be really careful with Yeah, I heard about Mercury. You don't they don't have to put in a label. They have a small amount of mercury. I work with a company called Nordic natural. They had to stand the European standards, which is really high, and they have no mercury, none. So this, what's this company called Nordic natural. Northern Nordic. Nordic natural, okay, Miranda. Have you heard of that company?
Miranda
Yeah, they have quite a few different flavored fish oils as well, and ones with different EPA and DHA ratios, because a lot of people don't like that kind of regurgitation, or that after, you know the after burp, right? Every company will say, Oh, you won't do it with ours, but you will depend, because they have no way to know how much hydrochloric acid you have, or if you have your gallbladder, or you don't, or any of these other situations. So any oil you can burp it up, but if it is a I will tell people never buy your fish oil from, like a big box store, because it is the second you open that package, it starts going rancid, because it's an oil. So you always, you only want to boil your oils in about a 30 day supply, and if you tend to kind of burp them up, I tell people to stick them in the freezer. So when you when you take it, eat a little bit of food, take your fish oil, eat a little bit of more food, and it kind of gets sandwiched in your stomach in a layer between two layers of food. And so it gets pushed down into the duodenum, and there, once it's there, you're not going to burp up anything. And if it's frozen one, you're not going to smell it. And it's probably not going to thaw until it hits your duodenum also. So it has the best chance of getting through your stomach where it's not going to the capsule's not going to open up, and it creates this little filmy, oily layer in your stomach that any gas has to bubble through and come back up. My little tips and tricks now that seminar I just went to couple weekends ago. Which was all about aging better. So, you know, like, get to the finish line and leave it, you know, leave a fully functional corpse kind of thing. He was huge, huge, huge, huge, on the importance of EPA, which is one of the components of fish oil for preventing Alzheimer's and any type of brain dementia. So he said, If you do nothing else, you need to be having adequate levels of vitamin D, and you have to be taking, I think he said, 1.8 grams of EPA every day.
Lucy
Okay, yeah. And something else I recommended, also is the probiotics, especially if they have pre and pro together to help you rebuild the good bacteria, because it's pretty much where your immune system is start getting stronger, you can just, you know, add some other stuff to stay good, but this is what it starts
Jason
that's so funny. You talk about probiotics. Every doctor I have talked to throw all that in a garbage can. It's just because
Miranda
most of it is marketed incorrectly. And this, this is my bailiwick, because I've dealt with probiotics on the nutraceutical side of things for 30 years. When you go into the into, let's say, Whole Foods, and you see the refrigerated probiotics, that's a marketing gimmick. All probiotics in this country, by law, have to be shelf stable. So if you see ones that say, oh, it's refrigerated, you have don't buy it. If it's not refrigerated. Bull, they legally have to be shelf stable. The enemies of probiotics are heat and moisture. So you know that's why, when people say, Well, I get all my probiotics from yogurt. Bull, because when you eat it, you're chewing it up. It's going through your system. It's hitting stomach acid. That stomach acid is very hot, it's caustic, it's breaking it down. So very few cultures that you eat orally, or if you had a chewable probiotic, or if you had a liquid probiotic, very few is going to get to the end destination, because your probiotics don't work until they hit your large intestine, which is the last six feet of the what 40 feet of our GI tract. So you know. So what I tell people to do is the complete opposite of what most pack is. Most packaging is geared to board selling more probiotics. The best way to take probiotics, so you actually get benefit from it, is to take it before bed on an empty stomach, because when you take a probiotic with food, it's going to turn around in your stomach for about two hours before it gets put into the duodenum, and that's going to kill off a huge percentage of what you just paid good money for. If you take it on an empty stomach, it's going to get spit into your duodenum within 20 minutes. So you've got, you're giving it the straight shot through the stomach acid into where it can start moving down to do some good. When you if you take it, first thing in the morning, you're up, you're active. Your bowels are active. So it's getting pushed through. At night is the longest period of bowel in activity or bowel rest that you have. So if you want the best chance of colonizing some of those good bacteria, you're going to take it right before bed on an empty stomach, and then it can sit there and grow in you for the next eight hours, because most people don't get up in the middle of the night to have a bowel movement, so you know. But if you read a probiotic label, they'll say take three times a day with food, which is the worst way to take a probiotic. Interesting,
Stoney
I'm glad you clarified that to take it at night, because I thought you were fixing to tell us that we needed to take a suppository
Miranda
that might work to put it right to the source.
Stoney
Just stick that sucker right in there and get it going.
Jason
Is there, is there a better form? Is it better in a pill form? Is it a powder or
Miranda
no You want a pill.
Jason
You want a pill?
Miranda
Yes, because you want to get it through the stomach acid, right? So anything that's a powder, a liquid, a chewable, it's you're going to lose too much of it in in your stomach acid. So you want to kind of get it fast, fast track it through that area as quickly as possible, where it can do some good.
Jason
Okay, well,
Stoney
I have a question for you. Miss Lucy, what impact do you hope your store has on the local community and a broader movement towards healthier living? Are you active in the community? Do you what are you doing? How do you see your store helping the community out?
Lucy
The way that seeing is when people come to me, most likely refer for other people that are seeing results with the stuff I recommend. It is just, you know, make them feel better and be able to enjoy life and do everything, you know, they they can do, and just taking the, you know, the right supplements and notices a difference. So that's my goal, just to when people walk by the store, just kind of help. And I not only recommend the stuff to take, just supplement things. I always kind of guide. It them just what kind of food that you take if they have any condition, they not try to help. But sometimes I even go to the grocery store with them and tell you, Okay, you can get this look. Look at the label. Make sure that you know that when you look for something, look up from here. So I go with them and go to the, you know, grocery and normally, next to Albers. So they have a lot of organic things and stuff that is really good for you, that can keep you a healthy lifestyle. And plus taking their supplements, and then, you know, going to come back and said, Wow, it really makes a difference. I feel better.
Miranda
I have a question for you. We know that health and supplements is very trendy, and it changes constantly. So what would you say is the top three supplements that you sell right now? I know it's probably very different from two years ago, but because that's constantly changing. But what are your top three supplements that you sell at the moment? At the moment,
Lucy
I would say the multivitamin, for sure, the cure medics, a lot of people with inflammation, and pretty much this is head to toe help. And there is something for diabetes. They have clinically tested and has been what is that? It's called soup control from theory, pharma, the same company that I'm telling you, they have clinical research. There's all medical doctors and naturopathic doctor. They do all these researches, and they're published, so you can look it up.
Ian
What does that do for diabetes? It just like helps help with lower
Lucy
the A, 1c, levels, okay. And they have some study. They even say that reverse diabetes type two. Wow. They help you with insulin resistance. And I even have few doctor cannot say their name, but Right, right. They send patients to the storm because they see in results after saying, What are you doing? What? How you get all this number down? And, you know, taking the medication and say, well, going to lose it. She gave me this, and I call you and just say the I can take it and look, yeah, so
Miranda
Well, that's one good thing that I can say. And I've been in practice since 2001 and back when I got started, you very, very rarely ever had a patient that came in and said, Well, my doctor told me to take dietary supplements. But now it's routine where your patients will come and say, Oh, well, my doctor told me to take vitamin D and fish oil and this and that, and you just never saw that before, because the medical community has very been very reticent to recommend supplementation, and they're still not, they're still not in it 100% but there are certain ones that they acknowledge and that they do recommend. So you know, most medical providers are still poo pooing vitamin C, even though I'm a huge proponent of it, but they have glommed on to vitamin D. And there is a group of scientists called the vitamin D council that have kind of put together all the big research on vitamin D, and you can go on to their website, and it's absolutely fascinating, because every vitamin D scientist in the world says what the RDA is for vitamin D, which is about 1000 IUs, or international units, is woefully inadequate. What we really need is anywhere from 4000 to 10,000 IUs a day. Oh, wow. So we're probably going to see that change on the RDA level. But we have, we have the battle with, you know, the Registered Dietitians who want everybody to get everything from food. They don't believe in supplements, and so they're kind of fighting that RDA change. But there are, we do know that certain things like vitamin D, what they're saying we need is just, if nowhere enough to do. Why
Jason
is there so much it seemed like nobody can get on the same page. It seemed like there's so many factions fighting. And you would think they would eventually get to a point to say, Well, I mean, if they've published research showing benefits here, then okay, what are we getting wrong here? I mean, what? What are we missing? Well, you have to remember
Miranda
where the research comes from, because most research comes from big pharma, and so universities don't have the fun. You know, universities are where research happens. They don't have the funds to go out and test all these different supplements, because nobody's paying for it. And dietary supplements cannot be patented. So if you go and do all this research on who's paying the money, there's there's no point, because you can't turn around and monopolize that monetarily, right? Whereas you know it well. Here's a perfect example that I used to have a supplement that I would use that was called jarenax, and it was a geranium extract. It was incredible for helping people lose weight. It was just like you took that you just didn't want to eat. It was wonderful. Well, usually, if a dietary supplement helps people lose weight, about every two years, the FDA will come down on it like a ton of bricks, and they'll say, oh, no, we're pulling that from the market. It's dangerous, because. Is two people collapsed from taking it. Meanwhile, they were like army recruits that were, you know, took 10 times the amount that they should have. But they'll say it's dangerous. Two people died, or two people collapse. We're pulling it from the market. Well, Jaren AX was one of those products. I started selling that back, I think, in, oh gosh, like 2012 2013 and I did. Every single person I put on it lost weight. Every single one I had 100% success rate with it. Then the FDA came out and said, We're pulling it from the market because it's dangerous. Well, guess, guess what happened about a year later, quietly, when you read the news, big pharma bought up the rights to jarenax, and it is now a chemotherapy drug.
Jason
So they can charge they can sell
Miranda
it. They can sell it under a chemo because now it is a drug. It is not, no longer a nutraceutical. They can sell huge money, $20,000 a dose, where I used to sell bottles of pills for like, 40 bucks. Oh, wow,
Jason
that's so depressing,
Miranda
but that's, that's what happens in this industry.
Jason
So it's so depressing that goes back to what I was talking about with the AMA and the FD in the in the drug industry that started devolving in the late 1800s and the early 1900s I mean, it's just, it's unbelievable that, and I've always said this, I believe there's cures. The world provides cures for every disease out there. I think nature has those cures. I just think that's how just well, Big Pharma everything balance itself out. Big Pharma
Miranda
has a whole roster of anthropologists and chemists and everybody. Well, they send them into the like, you know, into the Amazon right basin, and they look for all these things, because they'll find a plant, then they'll take it back to the lab, and they'll dissect the plant, and then they'll say, Okay, this compound, what does it resemble? Oh, it resembles methamphetamines. Okay, let's turn that compound. We'll isolate it, and now we'll make a new ADHD drug. And that's almost all new drug research is coming from. What these scientists bring back from plants, but they have to, have to find a way to synthesize it, because they don't want to be pulling, you know, 1000s of pounds of raw material from the jungle. They find a compound that they can synthesize, right? And then OOP new drug, and they making their labs, which
Stoney
also means petroleum based, more than likely petroleum based,
Jason
yeah, well, so we've talked a lot about drugs that are for health, and you know, diabetes and cancer and so what about stuff for like mental health, you know, health, like psychological health, are there supplements out there that deal with that aspect? Well,
Lucy
I normally recommended the DHA, so just as part of the Omega three in the EPA, right? One thing I always tell people to take because they help is the only one that can go to the barriers of the brain, the good fat that's pretty much our brain is fat, so we feed in there and then kind of help with a lot of problems that you have in your brain. You said, dH, DHA,
Jason
DHA. What is that stand for?
Next? Want to ask
dihydro Something I don't know. Everybody says, pull it out. Google
Miranda
acid.
Lucy
You know,
Ian
that's a good one. And
Lucy
there is a lot of other things, like
Miranda
acid doxa, Doc, dosa, hexanoic acid,
Jason
okay, all right. Just for our listeners out there,
Lucy
a lot of people, they had you should win, like stress, such as, yeah,
Jason
what would you take for stress? What supplement recommended?
Lucy
Multivitamin, really, okay, just kind of standards, B complex, some they already convert with methylfolate, methyl B 12,
Jason
same thing with the same thing with depression. Depression,
Lucy
yes, you can, you know, like I said, the DHA would help. There is some supplements called Sammy. It's a long name, too, ame and I mean a different thing these people can take to help. If it's something about rain, like non stop before you go to sleep. There is a magnesium specific kind. It's called Three and eight. They go through the barriers or the brain and calm so they make you sleep better and help you with different things in your brain. And just
Jason
what about green tea extract? Green tea is
Lucy
a powerful antioxidant, and it can be used just to can they help you to. Calm a little bit. It has some caffeine, but the effect in your body just kind of makes you relax. They also help you, if you're trying to lose weight, they kind of help you flush some of the fat out.
Miranda
The problem with green tea is it is used in a lot of supplements. It is one of those Kitchen Sink ingredients that you know, because people will make a lot of claims about green tea, but most of the time, you're not taking enough of it to do anything, right? But if you are an avid green tea drinker, you have to be very careful, because it tends to be very high in fluoride, and it tends to be very high in one of the other metals, and it can affect, actually, breast cancer. So you don't, you don't want to take too much, because it will, it will decrease your bone health, and it will, you know, it increases your odds of breast cancer. But you always hear of teas being very common, and I'm a huge advocate of teas, but you really don't ever want to drink more than three cups of any kind of tea a day. Oh, you're just beginning. Too many
Jason
compounds. I've heard about it that it was fairly healthy. Some of these other supplements that I have taken, speaking with talking with Jennifer, is elderberry.
Miranda
That's good immune system.
Jason
And what's the other one? I'm drawing a blank on it, right? I wonder. Well, I have not taken that one. Talk about that one a little bit. What's that one? I
Lucy
usually recommend that for stress to help you maintain your adrenal
Miranda
adaptogen so it helps it balance your cortisol levels. Okay. What
Ian
about adaptogens from Brandon?
Jason
Exactly. What's that? There's another one that is also good that you take when you feel like you're getting sick, Echinacea.
Lucy
Echinacea, for centuries, has been knowing like it really good, but
Miranda
if you get hay fever, you don't want to take it sick.
Jason
Wow. Why is that?
Miranda
It just, it's in that same plant compound, that same grouping that that people that hay fever, it will aggravate them like, how peaches if you, if you tend to get hay fever, you can't really eat peaches without getting sick. The same thing is with echinacea, okay, they're just, they're related compounds. Wow. I
Stoney
have a question for you, and it's kind of a simpleton question, What about just pure honey? If it's pure, pure honey, it's, if you get it locally, it helps you with your allergies and things like that. What's, what's your take on just pure honey? Yeah,
Lucy
I like the pure honey, just better than sugar, maybe one teaspoon a day. Definitely better than sugar. It's sweet, but it's not the process, you know, sugar. So yes, I'm take, I mean, actually, I take my lemon olive oil, and over the
Stoney
years, one of the best cough syrups is to take a shot of whiskey and then follow with a big tablespoon of honeys. So
Jason
So tell you Wait, man, you said in the morning you do? You take honey oil with olive oil, honey,
Lucy
honey and lemon and lemon. Every morning, I do that before start
Stoney
my day. Kind of glad I asked that question. Now, good little concoction
Jason
there. You just put it in a little cup, and just just,
Lucy
I have it right there by my kitchen, and I mix and I fix it and I drink it every morning. Wow. Okay,
Ian
so what is that, I guess. I guess I was doing a couple of different things. But what is that
Lucy
I just like the honey, just because the bush immune, and then all the oil can keep everything clean and nice at night, when we can rejuvenate our process to clean your body in the morning. Everything is all the glue stuff is there, so kind of help you get it out, olive oil, honey
Jason
and lemon. But honey
Stoney
is like a natural preservative. They have honey 1000 years old that you still eat, yeah, you know, they found it in the pyramids, and it's still edible. Yeah?
Jason
That's the only thing that you would eat that would be 1000 years old, because even McDonald's,
Stoney
french fries, french fries were edible. But the honey has actually been proven.
Miranda
You know, in Russia, when they find these animals frozen in the in the steps of Russia, like the wooly mammoth and the rhinos or something. People eat them. People eat them. That 50, you know, 10, 15,000, year old meat people are mowing down.
Ian
I have a friend who has bees that he he does beekeeping as like a little hobby of his, the aperian industry. So, so every now and then he'll, give me a little jar of honey, and it's it's really nice. Actually, I've really been enjoying that. So I actually probably don't use honey as much as I should, especially for having probably the quality of honey that I do. But you
Miranda
like your fun fact, Stoney, you usually interrupt with a fun fact. My uncle was a beekeeper growing up, and fun fact. Fact, the beekeepers children's have a higher percentage chance of being allergic to bees than any other person. Wow,
Ian
really is it just exposure or something? Or they
Miranda
think that, they think that something gets passed down, and they haven't been able to pinpoint it, but they know that the children of beekeepers have, it's like 800 times more allergies to bees, and it is grossly anaphylactic. It's not mild, it's hugely anaphylactic.
Ian
Interesting
Miranda
with a bee, and this is how I found out about it. If my cousin got stung by a bee four days in a coma, every single time, oh
Ian
my gosh. That's not good. Wow. That's scary and also unfortunate too. Like, I mean, that's, well,
Miranda
when you go over to your uncle's house and you have to walk through because he has all, you know, when bees get shipped to the beekeepers, they come in these little, tiny, it looks like matchboxes, yeah. And he would have them all lined up so he could go and take them to all of his, his, you know, his bee I don't know what they call them, bee huts, beehives, whatever, but he would have them all lined up on the side of the side of the stairs, and so the kids had to play in the basement. You would have to run down past this buzzing wall to get downstairs. It was quite terrifying as a small child, and you didn't want to play outside at their house, because if he you know, if he didn't move the bees close to where they were supposed to be, like you're not swimming at your uncle's house. Wow. Crazy stuff. But you know, that's that is health care. You either, you know, go back to kind of the old world way of doing things, or you pay the price, because modern technology has not been so kind to our health.
Jason
Well, I tell you, I think right now you're kind of seeing a return. I mean, you're starting to see more people wanting to grow their own food. We
Ian
talked about that on some I
Jason
think more people look at their health like I'm looking at a study here was done by the International Food information Council. This is 2018 that 80% of millennials consider health benefits when selecting foods, compared to 64% for baby boomers.
Ian
So I think a lot of it is just because of the world we live in too, where I feel like so much is processed now. I feel like I'm I feel like if I'm not keeping my speaking personally, if I'm not keeping myself informed, I feel like I'm doing my own health a disservice, because so much is convenient and processed and messy that, like, I feel like I would love to have lived in a world where that wasn't a problem that I had to worry about, you know, that we're just, you know what I mean, like the food that I was getting was probably naturally sourced, or was just like that, or from a local market I didn't have to worry about, you know, I feel like I'm, I feel like I'm, it's, it's almost been forced on me to, like, be more conscious about it, and I wish I didn't have to be. But, you know, I want to be healthy. This
Miranda
is what's happened. We've had in our family's lifetime. Look at World War Two. Everybody had victory gardens. People were growing their own food, because with more rations, you didn't get everything that you needed. People were used to growing stuff. And prior to that, you had a much greater percentage of people that lived on farms. And so again, they were growing their food, or they were trading. You know, one one person grew beans, one person grew potatoes, they traded. So you still got fresh stuff. World War One. I mean, World War Two happened Victory Gardens by the time that was over, and by the time the 60s rolled around, you've got all those baby boomers that kind of grew up, and they just were, you know, they followed the party line. If the doctor said, do something, they did it. If they said, Don't do it, they didn't do it. And then when the Gen Xers came around, they questioned everything. And so they've, they've started that trend back towards doing all this stuff. And plus, we, we kind of hit in the 70s, you know, that second hippie wave of doing things. Because remember when margarine was a health food? Yeah, I remember that.
Jason
Now it's terrible, yeah.
Miranda
Now it's food plastic. But in 1979 1980 you went into any health food store, they were selling margin, and it was marketed as high tech next, this is going to save you. Butters, bad, margin, good. So all of, all of this stuff has happened, and I think that, you know, the younger generations are kind of everybody's sick. It used to be that you didn't get sick until you're old. Now people are sick when they're young and they're trying to do something about it. Well, one
Stoney
of the things we also have to consider, and Miranda mentioned World War Two, that was a huge turning point. Does anybody know where TV dinners came from? Oh, yeah, Where'd they come from?
Ian
Yeah, it was a, I think that was like war rations, or that was what was like Mr. E's, or whatever, I think exactly
Stoney
what it was, and the government paid this company to come out and make these meals
Jason
again.
Stoney
And then when the war was over, the guy was like, Okay, what am I going to do now? And the government said, Well, I'll tell you. What you keep making them, and we're going to give you some money for some advertisements, and they build it as a convenience for women. Look at what you can do. Put it in the oven for 35 minutes, and you have a pre, pre, ready made meal. And now you don't have to cook from scratch. And it took off. And so now everything is about convenience. Everything that we do is about processed food being convenient. Well, that's how they sold the the TV dinner I
Jason
get and I and I can understand for women at that time, considering that what went into food prep that it's, um, the amount of work that we that went into that. So I can understand how, ladies of the time, wow, I could just pull this thing out and put it in the oven and instant dinner, I
Stoney
can say five hours, right off the bat, right? I don't have to sit there and start for that one hour, then I'm doing
Jason
it. You know? I can understand. I mean, I remember my mother telling me what my grandma did on the farm and just how much work went into food preparation and feeding all your the kids. Well, the whole, not just the whole, the whole matches.
Stoney
The whole process was, was multifold. Okay, sourdough. Do you know why they did sourdough, which is actually one of the best breads you can absolutely eat, but it served two purposes. Do you know what you use? The starter farm. Read something about sourdough. Not long time you made your sourdough bread, you sourdough biscuits, but you also made the glue that could put the stuff in your house together. So sourdough starter so served a multi purpose, which we don't do that anymore. And sourdough pancakes are absolutely fantastic. Oh, I
Jason
love sourdough.
Stoney
I love sourdough. Anything sourdough is fantastic, but pancakes are oh my gosh. Well, do we have
Ian
any more, any more questions you want to ask, or anything else you want to touch on? Because, I
Jason
mean, Lucy episode, Lucy, is there anything you'd like to bring up, is there any kind of new stuff maybe that's coming around the corner that of note, maybe a supplement that might be gaining some sting that,
Lucy
how was that? The problem is just trying to keep your body as healthy as you can, and that way you can get older and suffering for so many problems, right joint pain or inflammation in your body, or stomach issues. A lot of people had tremendous problem with heartburn, indigestion, and you know they if they kind of keep doing the right thing, taking the right supplement, eating the right food, exercising, get older, feeling good,
Jason
well, right. Really
Lucy
feel blessed, because, I mean, try to do that, and I feel great.
Stoney
We really appreciate you driving all the way out here to the studio, and for we have a bunch of listeners in Baton Rouge. Would you like to tell them where you're located? In case, some of our Baton Rouge listeners want to come find you sure
Lucy
I'm in blue Bonnie Boulevard between Highland and barbank,
Stoney
so they can just come into Lucy's health food store. Just ask for Lucy.
Ian
Well, thank you so much for coming out. I really appreciate it. Thank
Lucy
you for the invitation.
Jason
Thank you so much. This has been very interesting. I've always been fascinated with this topic because it's just so much information out there, and you don't know if you're getting quite information or not. So thank you so much for shedding some you know, a light on this topic. Well,
Ian
and you guys can obviously leave us your responses. We have an email address get us in it together@gmail.com, where you can send us those long form responses. Or if you want to comment and give us a little short response. Week, you can do that on the YouTube channel or on Facebook, at retrospect pod, where you can find those two pages. But anyways, until next week, thank you so much for listening. Bye, bye.
Jason
Goodbye, everyone. God bless.
Miranda
Take care.
Goodbye.
Stoney
Thank you for hanging out with us today. You're the best. Peace.