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Voter Fraud | Retrospect Ep.158
In this week’s episode we discussed voter fraud in this year’s presidential election. There are a couple different forms that this comes in. Impersonation, false registration, buying votes, and altering the vote count to name a few. This was just the surface of this topic to be honest.
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hurricane Camille, Gulf storm, election interference, mail-in ballots, voter fraud, ballot harvesting, election security, digital interference, social media manipulation, voter ID, election lawsuits, foreign influence, election integrity, voter registration, election outcomes
Speakers
Jason (68%), Stoney (19%), Ian (13%)
Ian
Ian, welcome to the retrospect podcast, a show where people come together from different walks of life and discuss a topic from their generation's perspective. My name is Ian, and as always, I'm joined by Stoney,
Stoney
hello
Ian
and Jason.
Jason
Hello, everyone. How's it going?
Stoney
Oh yeah.
Jason
Well, it's been good week. So far,
Stoney
it's been pretty Oh yeah, sucking all the moisture out of the air. Yes.
Jason
I mean, it's all October generally is a just a great month of weather for our area. Just, it just seems to work that way. Ebbs and flows, you know, so it but there's a massive storm there in the Gulf right now that is, you know, I was making a comment earlier that God, just from the satellite. It's an absolutely beautiful work of nature to see this thing so symmetrical, so compact, so tight, kind of reminded me a little bit of what Hurricane Camille looked like. Yeah, it had, you know, Camille was, was a very small, compact storm. And matter of fact, I still think Camille was listed as the strongest winds ever recorded making landfall. Wow, because I do believe the winds of Camille reached 200 sustained when it hit land, which is very rare. Yeah, storms that get that wound up generally weaken, because it goes through cycles of strengthening and then weakening, and then I read eyewall reforms, and it takes time to kind of get its act together. But right now, it's, I think it's right there around the Yucatan Peninsula. Matter of fact, it's in the same area where the they claim the giant asteroid struck back 66, million years ago, really killed all the supposedly it's in that area right now, right there, near progresso. I think I saw a map of it kind of out in that area of the yeah of the golf. So it's, yeah, uh, tragedy. It looks like it's going to go into Tampa, Florida, at least that's what the projections are showing. But gee, man, others, people cannot catch a break right now. No, so, but you have to keep those in our thoughts and prayers as they try to deal with this. And it's it's going to be a lot of damage to property, and it's gonna probably be some lives lost, and some people gonna get are gonna stay and, oh yeah, they're gonna drown, or, yeah, or the case may be. So, yep,
Ian
same thing happens around here. I you know,
Jason
there's, you know, and then they got the issue, then you're gonna have the insurance market now, oh, it's gonna be, I don't know how this is gonna work out.
Ian
I haven't really been keeping up. And I heard there's a lot of, like, heard there's a lot of back and forth between the hurricane that happened last week or it was a couple weeks ago, I can't remember that that went, like, straight through, like, Georgia and all that, and messed up South Carolina, or
Stoney
North Carolina. Just destroyed North Carolina,
Jason
well, the western part of the state, and Tennessee, and eastern Tennessee, I mean, those areas, I've been in those areas, I've driven those areas, yeah, and I'm like, Yeah, remember that? And it's just not there anymore, which is just unbelievable the amount of destruction, and which is crazy for them, because they usually don't get well, you know, nobody's living up in the mountains thinks, oh yeah, hurricanes gonna bother me. I mean, you know who thinks that way? I mean, but it's, that's usually an hour, yeah, it's usually a coastal problem, or the or the states that are bordering the, you know, the body of water, you know, is where the biggest destruction. But, you know, just like I mentioned, Camille, when Camille hit in 69 it flooded like seven or eight states cool, so it's they produced massive amounts of moisture, and just the amount of rain falling, and it's just, you know, people living up in these mountains like that, it's, you get enough rain, and also in that ground starts getting loose, oh yeah. And water's got to go downhill, and it's usually moving pretty fast, those beautiful streams that we all love to sit by, and, oh yeah, you know, you know, it's kind of picturesque. And it's got to make that bubbling sound as it goes down. It can turn into raging torrents with that kind of rain. And that, some areas of rain I saw was like, almost 30 inches. Wow, that's, that's, that's a lot of water, oh, yeah, falling from the sky, you know? So, yeah, they've got there, I they're still they don't have any bodies they're gonna find that have been lost. Are they gonna find later, bodies in trees, buried in the mud? Crazy, just terrible situation right now. Matter of fact, our friend that we had on the show, mm. Yeah, Todd Terrell with the United Cajun Navy. I just saw a post by him. He said they're in six states. Wow, dealing with just rescue operations and relief and and trying to help all that. So it's, it's a bad situation. Now you're gonna have this situation hit, yeah, and and FEMA saying, hey, FEMA saying they ran out of money. I mean, some of these stories I heard about, they don't have money to to give these people, you know, because they've used portion of this money to to give to migrants for resettlement and stuff like that. If that that comes out, that's true, and I don't know how anybody can tolerate that. I really, you know, I just, I don't,
Ian
right. But the thing, the thing kind of worries me, is, if you thought the last one was bad, this one's going to be, yeah.
Jason
I mean, they're there. I saw the latest projections, you know, 12 feet in Tampa, yeah, storm surge. That's
Ian
a lot of water, yeah? And you told me there's a lot of, like, there's a lot of wind in that one as well, yeah? Which is, like, that's the, that's the part that's hard to Well, I mean, that's the part that, like, unless you've, unless you have seen it personally, like, hurricane winds, like, just push a tree over. Like, there's nothing quite like that, that it's really kind of like for me, at least grounding reality, of like there is something so much bigger than myself at work that just, you know, yeah,
Jason
they said, I can't even imagine, because, I mean, it's, you know, this thing is blowing it at 160 right now, and they say it's gonna look it's go by weekend, Which, that's typically what happens.
Stoney
Well, what's what it's doing right now? Not to interrupt you, Jason, you make a really good point, but it's sucking so much moisture out of our area, it's also sucking that cool air out, and that cool air is going to start to weaken it a little bit, because it's the hot water and the hot air that actually creates these massive storms. And right now it's had none of that, but as it's pulling that cool front that's coming down, it's going to bring that dry air into that dry air into it, it's going to bring that cool and it's going to mess it up a little bit. Yeah, right now it's had perfect conditions to grow, yeah, until now that it's moving out in the middle and pulling the air, and that's why we don't have a rain chance for 10 days. I
Jason
know it's just unbelievable. It's dry, dry, dry. Look at it. You're
Stoney
watching these satellite pig. You can see it sucking the moisture right away from us. Wow. And as it pulls that in, you can it'll start, and I suspect it probably come down a little bit by the time it's like,
Jason
I hope. I mean, they didn't think the they didn't think the last storm Helene was gonna hold strong. But
Stoney
well, in comparison, our flood in South Louisiana of 2016 dropped around 32 inches of water too. I think they estimated it at just over 7 trillion gallons of water. Oh, that fell in the the south Louisiana area. Yeah, it was
Jason
unbelievable. Oh yeah. So
Ian
on a little bit of a lighter note, though, this weekend, I had a full weekend full of all sorts of events, and it was, I mean, it really was a really nice, beautiful afternoon, which is, you know, the juxtaposition is kind of ironic, but I was able to perform music out at a festival. I got a little a little burnt, oh, my forehead, just a little bit of sun, but it was really fun to be able to play music again out with a group that I play with pretty consistently. And it was a great turnout. It was a fun event out in our local community to have a big open field. They had a big old stage out on and it was a nice, nice breeze. And it was a wonderful, I know it was October, but it felt like a nice summer day, to be honest, around here. And it was a it was a lot of fun. So like, this whole weekend was, you know, now that we're moving into October, I've got a lot of almost over committed myself on a few things, but now everything's coming to fruition after all this practice and scheduling. So it was a lot of fun, though.
Stoney
Speaking of October, which puts us right around the corner to November, yeah, yeah, getting close to the election time,
Ian
that feeling you're trying to segue into what our topic for today is? Oh, yeah,
Stoney
what is our topic for the day?
Jason
Is it about election interference? Sure you
and are the or the claims of election interference
Ian
allegedly right?
Jason
I mean,
Stoney
well, I can open up with that. I don't know if y'all know this or not, but as of October the fourth, the Republic national convention has a lawsuit. I. With the Georgia Republican Party and the Fulton County Republican Party against the Fulton County Georgia election officials, okay, are not hiring enough Republican employees to monitor the election, and they're saying that. It's kind of funny, because this is just so wild how they're looking at this. They only hired six out of 62 qualified Republican poll workers to work on election day. That's election day that's not up to it, or anything like that and that that Nadine Williams, the director of the Fulton County Department of registration and elections, instead of hiring them herself, she went to temp agencies and managers for individually polling areas and so that is one of 41 active lawsuits by the Republican National Convention right now.
Jason
Well, interesting. I do believe the Republican the National Party has made it a point to make sure they had over 100,000 poll watchers that they were going to place in strategic areas, to just make sure there's no none of this, you know, kind of like, oh, we had a water main break, and we have to shut everything down. And, I mean, I get it that, you know, people will say, you know, during the 2020 election, that, yeah, you know, all these claims were brought up and all these courts threw them out. But most of these cases were thrown out because the supposedly was stated, Was it, was they were, they had no standing. And that's my problem, that really, though evidence was listened to in look, the Democrats played a very good game. They did, and it's it's very difficult to prove election fraud. It just is, unless it's just so blatant and wide open you can kind of latch on to it's very difficult if you do it subtly, because everybody went to bed that night Trump had won, right? And then all of a sudden you have these late night ballot drops. And at these, at these ballot drop locations, of course, all that was tied in with the with covid and people afraid to go vote in public and and all these things. And Is it convenient that that a pandemic would hit and that would be the excuse to change some of these election laws that didn't allow this kind of stuff. Yeah, all the mail in ballot Exactly. And are the ballot harvesting, and it's, and this is what gets me, is, is the Democratic Party is very good at this. They always seem to have a hand, you know, two up on Republicans when it comes to this. I do was listen to some stuff online the other day, and it was Republicans were begging the Trump part, you know, the election committee, the whoever's running his campaign, yeah, to focus on mail in ballots, because the Democrats are Yeah, and so you got to play the game. Don't just Trump hates mail in, just that whole thing. He just, he's kind of old school, yeah, when it comes to that, I believe that there's an early voting period, and then there's the day of the election, and if you can't get yourself out of your house or out of your front of your TV set, and I'm not talking about people who are handicapped, I'm talking about just normal, healthy people that just can't seem to get themselves motivated to go to a polling place, because I may have to stand in line a little long and pull the lever. You know, that's the kind of people that is generally I'd say those are the people who generally favor more Republicans. And in this particular case, you've got a lot of mail in ballots that came in, and they were like two to three to one for at the time. Joe Biden, well, yeah,
Stoney
you have to think about this. Joe Biden never left his garage. He never all of a sudden, magically, he had more votes than President Obama did. Well,
Ian
I. Because I think everyone was turning out, you know, against Trump is what I think
Stoney
it is, millions of ballots that they were dumping in at the last minute. Because up until that time, Trump was ahead, until 10 minutes before the polls closed, Trump was ahead, and then magically, all of a sudden, in a matter of four hours, it flips by seven or 8 million, right? Yeah, no, that doesn't that. No, no one turned in on that, right? That was all mail in ballots that magically got stuffed into the stuff, and then magically, oh, no, the dominion of things, they're not connected to the internet, and they prove that they were connected to the voting machines work. You
Jason
know, I, I was listening to a podcast, the PBT podcast. He had a guy on, and he talking about, could election machines be hacked into? Yeah, and he actually was in the back room when all this stuff was happening. And he said, Now, if I remember the conversation right, and I'll pull it up and give the exacts, but he said they couldn't find any evidence of voter manipulation when it came to that. But he did say the machines can't be hacked. If you are connected to the internet, you can be hacked, whether it's through Bluetooth or some other mechanism, it can be hacked. So the while they could not show any proof that it got tampered with, the claims that it's 100% safe is not true either, right? So I think probably need to go back look, and I was one sit here and tell you that while these machines can't be hooked up and you press a button, all thing I had no idea that you never would have thought years ago that I thought that it would would have this fear of people manipulating, oh, electronically. I'm a firm believer that people just need to show up with your ID. Oh, yeah, prove who you are and cast a vote and go on, that's it. That, to me, is the safest that way. You know, my vote probably could say, yep, that person's who he says he is. Now, if you go through some elaborate scheme to to to kind of falsify who you are, and you can get away with it. Well, you know, if you want to put that much energy into it, you know you're going to do what you're going to do. But I think for the the for most people and for most systems, yeah, showing up with an ID, whether it's a driver's license, whether it's some form of other identification to prove who you are, this is who I am, and you pull the lever, and you go vote, and you're done in the day. And it just blows my mind that there are people that absolutely are against the idea of a voter ID. I just to me, there is no other reason, other than it makes it easier to cheat, right? I mean, this logic would tell you that, okay, you know. And we've
Ian
talked about this on some other episodes about, like, if, like, pushing back on certain things, pushing back on certain rules or regulations. Because obviously, if you're doing something wrong, it's gonna You don't want that. But if you're a good, upstanding citizen, why does it matter? You know what I mean, like, that whole mentality of it all, I know that I'm abiding by the law. I've got my driver's license, I know where I'm registered to vote, and I want to go out there and do my my part, like you're saying before someone's gone through all this effort of like, falsifying their identification. Of course they'd be like, I'm not
Jason
well. I mean, the fact, I mean they have now, I mean, it's come out that they have now found, you know, foreign nationals, oh, yeah, with vote, yeah, then they've been registered to vote. They, you know, it's a it's out there. And the idea they say that's not happening is they don't know what they're talking about.
Stoney
Well, the Secretary of State for Arizona went to vote, and she goes to the polling place to cast her vote, and she was told she had already voted. And so I think that's one of the things that prompted Governor Abbott of Texas to kind of start this thing where they removed over a million, that's right, ineligible voters, their registrations. 6500 of them were non citizens. Think about that. That means that 6500 non citizens registered to vote. 6000 of them were voters who have felony convictions. 457,000 were dead, and that's actually Democrats failed. Party's favorite bag to grab names out of 463,000 were on the suspense list. 134,000 were voters who responded to an address confirmation notice that they had moved. 65,000, were voters who failed to respond to a notice of examination, and 19,000 were voters who requested to cancel their registration for just over a million and there, Texas is not the only state doing this. Now, yeah,
Jason
you have to, I mean, you have to me, if you can't trust the system, then I don't know how far we can, or you can't trust the system if we can. But I'm looking at an article here in the by the Brookings, by Brookings and and it says here a poll by the Associated pressure that 22% of Republicans in 71% of Democrats have high confidence in votes being counted accurately in 2024 22% of Republicans, that's a lot of Republicans that don't believe their votes, yeah, are going to be counted Jack. And there's a 71% of Democrats. So there's a 30% almost there. Democrats don't feel like their votes are going to be
Stoney
counted accurate. Well, if Harris wins, then they're going to believe their votes were counted. If Harris doesn't win, then they're going to believe their votes wasn't counted.
Jason
Well, I'm looking at here, it says in a more recent Washington Post poll found that among New Hampshire Republicans, over 50% believe Biden's win was fraudulent, including 85% of Trump supporters. So that's a lot of Republicans, and it's in a state that's typically votes Democrat. Oh, yeah, you know. But as I said, a lot of these states, I mean, you look at these states and in the 2020, election, some of these elections were very marginal wins for that end up putting the edge over for for the Democratic candidate. So it wasn't like a this landslide or, yeah, tie victory, you know, it's, you have to kind of look at that and go, you know, you know, two or three percentage points put that state in the other column, right? You know? So, yeah, I mean, it's, it says, Now here the Heritage Foundation. We all know what the Heritage Foundation? It's a conservative think tank. I said election fraud covers a range of activities such as registering someone to vote and forging their said signature, filling out an absentee ballot for someone who has died or moved away, voting while ineligible or pretending to be someone else the polling place and voting, they find that there have been 1465 proven cases of election fraud. 1264 of these resulted in criminal prosecutions, and the remainder resulted in civil prosecutions, diversion programs, judicial findings or other official findings, that heritage found 103 cases of confirmed election fraud. However, those 103 range from 2005 to 2022 during which time over 100 7 million ballots were cast. There were 11 million ballots cast in the 2020 election. Presidential election alone, fraud in Texas amounted to 0.000096% of all ballots cast, so you know. But see, once again, it's hard to prove election fraud. It really is. And there, there's a lot of tricks that you can play to make it very plausible. And as I said, if you cloak it in the fear of the pandemic, you could see how it would be easy to pre print ballots, stuff them in boxes after late at night. And if you remember the program, was it that show that came out? Was it? Was it 10,000 mules? You remember that to show how that was done. Now, there's a lot of people that's that they supposedly debunked it, but the technology in the how it was done, I mean, they got video surveillance of people just showing up, showing up, just one person in the car, pulling out a. A garbage bag full of ballots and stuffing in the box ballot. I mean, you know what? I mean, what, what the world
Stoney
ballot harvesting is, what that's called, because they're just growing ballots and they're just walking in they had one person had 5000 ballots on them. I mean, that's illegal, you know it
Jason
is. But the problem is, once again, how do you prove that? And that's what's so hard. And so the detractors of the Trump campaign that don't like him and don't like you know, they'll point out to all these cases were thrown out. Well, yeah, they were right. No doubt you're right. They were thrown out. But you can't help but think in the back your mind there was a lot of shenanigans going on with this election, oh yeah, and how some of this stuff went down regard whether that changed the election outcome. We'll never know, right? We will never know. We will sit here and speculate. I do have a problem, though, with a candidate that never really got out and campaigned for the first time ever, never really got out and campaigned, stayed in a basement that somehow won,
Stoney
magically after magically
Jason
won that I and that's what I'm saying after the poll to me, if you if you are The winner, you know, once the polls close at eight o'clock, or whatever it is by midnight.
Stoney
You have to think about this, by midnight that should be done. It shouldn't even be midnight. Okay? It shouldn't even be midnight. Polls close at eight by nine or 10, you should be done. Okay? Because the mail in ballots were originally designed for military personnel and people who were stationed outside of America to be able to continue to vote, and they've taken advantage of that. So if you got a million people that are stationed, even your civilians and people like that outside of the country, you shouldn't have that many mail in ballots. You shouldn't be able to magically produce 8 million ballots after the polls closed. That's not its designed intent. Somebody took advantage of that situation and printed it. What do you think they're so mad about with Joe Biden dropping out of the race so close to the election, they're all pissed off all the ballots they had printed off with his name on it they can't use now, and somehow they got to get kamala's names on it, because that's what they're trying to figure out now. That's what they're freaking out, is they can't print enough of them to to ballot harvest.
Jason
Well, I think I just, I worry about some of these states have not made changes in their states to fix some of these problems. That's that's where the issue comes in. Because, I mean, look, the fact of the matter, this presidential election is going to come down to a few states. It just will
Stoney
well right now, Alabama, Louisiana, Ohio and Virginia are the top four states that are passing laws to try to combat this. You know, the Virginia governor said, This is not a Democrat or Republican issue. This is an American and a Virginian issue. Every legal vote deserves to be counted without being watered down by illegal votes or inaccurate machines. In Virginia, we don't play games, and our model for election security is working well, somebody's trying, and he had an executive order. 6300 non citizens were removed from the voter rolls.
Jason
Yeah, I hope that we I hope that this, hope, these things can get fixed now, I do believe the it will be different this time around, simple, because you don't have a pandemic. Now to justify why people would be afraid of going to the polls, and that was a convenient cover. Oh, yeah. I mean, as I said, Fear makes people do a lot of things that they probably wouldn't think about doing, and they no longer have that excuse. Well, you can go vote early, or you can vote the day of, and the only people that should be getting. A mail in ballot, or people who are requesting a mail in ballot by the individual, not someone on their behalf, right?
Stoney
Well, I other countries don't allow mail in ballots for the various reasons, because it's not secure. It's not secure. They would verify anything. If you can't go, then you shouldn't be voting, right? You just
Jason
missed the election. You know, I would, I would be very hesitant of going into nursing homes and trying to get people who's probably their mental state is not quite where it needs to be, how that can be easily manipulated. I just think at certain point, you know,
Ian
then you're starting to get, you're starting to get into, like, a gray area for me, because I agree to an extent, but then I am getting nervous that, like, who makes that call? Then I agree with you on that you're that you're that you're not, you're not eligible to vote anymore because of XYZ. It's like, I understand maybe if you have, like, you know, doctor's orders or something like that. But then, like, who's to say that? Like, just because you're in a nursing home, you can't vote anymore whenever you have someone that maybe is coherent, every
Stoney
nursing home has a couple of vans transport to people that want
Jason
to, well, that I'm talking about people that have compromised mental states. You're right where you have other people coming in now, if the family wants to come in and can somehow reach that person, yeah, okay, and say, grandma, grandpa, who do you want to vote for will fill out the ballot for you, and they sign it or whatever, or they do it. But the idea of just people coming into a nursing home and getting people to vote, I don't know about that. I just, I'm a bit nervous about, you know, people taking advantage of people that are not mentally 100% I mean, they're just, they're just not now, people that are have sound mind, by all means. Get them on a on a bus, yeah, bring them to the voting poll. Let them vote. I agree with that totally. But, I mean, we've all been in nursing homes, and not everybody is just whipper snapper, get up and go. I mean, it's that's a whole different ball game there. And I think that's where the ballot harvesting is. You can kind of run a foul of that. That's why I think it needs to be very situational in that case. But, you know, that's just me. I mean, I think you should be informed and know what you're voting for and right, have some degree of of what's going on. Yeah? You know, if you don't, then, you know what I mean, then someone's just voting for you. You know, I don't know how, as much as I would say, I had a grandparent in a in a nursing home, and I don't know how they feel about a particular candidate, right? Really don't.
Ian
The thing is, like I said before, is I kind of, it's kind of a gray area, because I do agree with you that, like, I mean, at a certain point, I don't know, feels hard to answer that question, because it feels like yes, I feel like there are some people that they get that level of coherentness that obviously, I don't think they should probably be making decisions like that, but at the same time, like I feel like you're also taking away certain freedoms from people, which is not,
Jason
well, I mean, yeah, I mean, I have the answer way. I mean, that's, I'm saying it's, it's how you, you try to go about doing this, because, I mean, you have to find the best way you can to accomplish what the system is meant right, how it's meant to work. So, I mean, I think you need to find some other way. As I'm saying, if it's a it would have to be the parent or the Guardian, whoever's responsible for that person at the nursing home right now, there are a lot of people in nursing homes. I have family are not coming to see them. Oh, right, yeah at all. They just dump them there and that's it. They're just done. I don't know what you do in that in that case, I really don't, right, but yeah, I mean, we, it's, it's, there's a lot that went on that, you know, some things are different now, what's, what's happened in the big tech world? Oh, yeah, Elon Musk bought, bought Twitter. Or Twitter. You know, through these digital platforms, Facebook, all this stuff has come out about the suppression that they did. Oh yeah, they altered their algorithms to basically promote the democratic points to replace Republican points. So you know, how free are we and if you're not getting the correct information, I'm gonna be honest, looking for information online regarding election interference, every article is pretty much tilted in a democratic way. It just is. You notice that too, right? It is all anti Trump or any claim he's made, like, somehow he doesn't, you know, like there's no truth to anything he said. That's where I think is, is, is where you're, where things get, have kind of, you know, get, it's just, it's just not skewed right, right now, right? So I'm glad that must, because I'm gonna tell you, guess what, it's a lot of stuff is coming out now because he's allowing whatever to be posted on there. People are like, well, you know, would if he would not have bought Twitter. You think a lot of the stuff would would be coming out. It wouldn't be. It wouldn't be. And it shouldn't be that way. There shouldn't be some group that owns Twitter or Facebook that basically determines what they think the truth is, we ran into that problem with covid. Well,
Stoney
the Biden administration was having meetings with the social media giants to, you know, subdue the information
Jason
and, you know, can't tell me the intelligence agencies are not approaching. That's been they. That's what means, what I'm talking about. What's his name? Who owns Facebook? Zuckerberg. Mark Zuckerberg, I mean, he pretty much testified to Congress, and he was pressured.
Stoney
He wasn't pressured. He was making his money and giving free reign to do whatever he wanted, you know.
Jason
So it's you know. Now, I find it funny that, you know, all of them are kind of squirming now, because they they might face if Trump gets elected, what that might mean for them. Because, yo, I'm tell you what they could they could commandeer these companies and declare them a public utility. They could do that. And basically said, Okay, you have to be if you're going to give one side this, you got to give the other side this, just like way public radio is or or any other sort of electronic medium that is is governed by those kind of platforms. So, yeah, we are. It'll be very different this time. I'm not. I think, I think the amount of of migrants that have been coming across the border, and them just basically allowing it. This is their way, I'd say it, of cheating. This is the only way they can do it, because I can't. I don't have the pandemic anymore. I can't rely on mail in ballot, and so we gotta bring in all these illegals, get them registered to vote, and that's what will make up our numbers. Well, I
Stoney
had one of our listeners ask me one time, what, what was the Ukraine and what was the illegal immigrant thing? And I said, Well, that's very simple. Ukraine is Monday law, money laundering for the Biden cram family and more the military industrial complex. But illegal immigration is buying votes. I mean, when San Francisco hires as the voting register, whatever the title is an illegal immigrant, first off, it's illegal to hire illegal immigrants. It's actually against the law to do it. But then they put this as the person responsible for voter registrations. That doesn't make any sense to me.
Jason
Well, I'm looking at this report. This is a bit dated December 7 of 2020 in website. It's called Freedom House as report digital election interference widespread in countries across the democratic spectrum. They said election watch for the digital age. Examined 40 elections and referendums held between June 2018, and may of 2020, and found that 88% of these contests were marred by digital election interference. Political incumbents sped spread false rumors about opposition candidates. Authorities shut down the internet and police arrested individuals were speaking out on social media as a result, voters and 30. Two countries were inhibited in their ability to access objective information about candidates and meaningfully participate in the political process. So you know is that Freedom House documented such incidents in countries across the democratic spectrum, from Azerbaijan, if I'm to Australia, voters in the United States who have already experienced a manipulated information environment during the 2018 elections are facing another round of digital election interference as outgoing President Donald Trump uses about, you know, once again, as to as Donald Trump uses social media to spread false claims of victory and Stoke rising intimidation against state politicians and even low level election workers. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, researching stuff for this, it is hard to find what I call a balanced approach to the subject, because a lot of this, the algorithms basically favor an anti Trump perspective. They just did right. May I say it, but it just, it just does you have to probably go to probably X to find the really fun information, interesting. 75% of Americans say it's likely that Russia or other governments will try to influence this was the 2020 election. Yeah, so you know what they want. They just want a weak America. Say it. You know, whether you know Putin will come out. Say I want Kamala Harris or I want Trump or whatever. And I read something that right now Iran is is definitely against, is manipulating social media and having some efforts to obviously kill President Trump, really? Oh yeah, China seems to be more aimed at focusing more on state level races and Senate races that would be for candidates that would more align with their political agenda. And yeah, and Russia seems to want do things according to what they saying, to do things to help President Trump get elected. So you know, you got China doing one thing, Iran doing another thing, you got Russia doing another thing. Whether any of this stuff actually plays out, we'll see. But I am encouraged that, at least because of the awareness of what went on in the 2020 election, there's gonna be a lot more eyes peeled on on these kind of shenanigans, and we'll call them out, right? So I'm encouraged at least that that issue is kind of at the forefront, and so there's a lot of energy being directed toward keeping making sure we do things the right way, right that I'm gonna watch you count the ballots. There's gonna be no closing the doors. Oh, we'll take care of it, and you need to get out of here. No, you're gonna count the ballots. I'm gonna watch you. Yeah, once you're done, we seal them, and we're finished, right? And we will deliver them to it will report the results of the Secretary of State of that given state. That's what you do, right? None of this other stuff that was going on, we'll just trust us. We'll handle it. Yeah, right, okay, whatever.
Ian
I'm just nervous. We're gonna have another one of those moments where, like, a state's gonna shut down and not turn the votes in, or whatever. Like, what was it Nevada during the 2020, election, and like, they didn't turn their votes in for like, a whole week or something. That's
Jason
what I'm saying, that that's, that's the, you know, Stoney was talking about, by eight, by nine or 10 o'clock, I'm willing to give it to midnight, right? Just just simple, because the nature of the B, but by midnight, by law, right? Because now you're going into another day, yeah, the Election Day would end at midnight, right? So you should have everything tallied. Anything received after midnight is doesn't count. You have to get everything counted done and and be honest with you, after eight o'clock, you shouldn't even receive anything outside of eight o'clock, other than maybe ballots that are coming in from overseas, from, yeah, you know, military personnel or whatever, because I don't know what the. Process for that is but,
Ian
but especially if you have, like, a early voting window, and then you have election day being the cutoff, like there's enough time, yes, you can figure it out. Yes. I
Jason
mean, I don't know what you're you're having to do. I mean, I really don't. I mean, it just blows my mind that it takes that long, the longer you allow that stuff to go, it's just inevitable that's just gonna just be rife for corruption to take place. It just does.
So, yeah, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard finding
Stoney
it's getting worse now, okay, it's getting worse. The Michigan governor just signed into law that it stops recounts for fraud allegations and widespread margin victories. Okay? So if you believe there was fraud, you can't even say that. Now, in Michigan, say that. Why would
Jason
That's what worries me about these some of these states, did they fundamentally change the way they do elections in that state?
Stoney
So, but you got to think about that too. Okay, if I win by 3% there could be a recount, so let's just make sure I win by 15% with enough ballot harvesting to where now you there's no need to do it. So now they're just going to make sure that they get the enough votes that they need. Right?
Jason
Well, to me, what's going to happen is basically the supreme court's going to have to make a ruling that voter ID is a minimum requirement for every vote to be counted. I just don't know how you can just not get away, you know, not support that I just I don't, because I want to know that the system is tabulating the votes in the correct way. I just do and whether my candidate wins or not. Look, there's plenty candidates I voted for that have not one, right? There's plenty of kids I voted for I have one. So it just depends on, you know, just the shifting winds of politics, right, you know,
Ian
and this has also been a problem for, I think, as long as the country has been probably as long as the country has been here, there has been probably some level of voter fraud going on. It's just, now, it's like, it's just a modern equivalent of it all. There's technology involved. There's now mail in ballots. There's just, it's so messy that it's like, you know, I just ran a modern age. It's scary. Well,
Jason
yeah, I was talking about Russia, Iran and China. Yeah, where I got some of this information is a CBS News article. Top Justice Department official warns of onslaught of foreign election interference from Russia, Iran and China, just 33 days ahead of the election of top Justice Department officials warning of an onslaught of foreign election interference from Russia, Iran and China, Matthew Olson, Head of the Department of National Security Division, said in an interview with CBS News that the US is facing a multi pronged offensive from three nations among the lines of attack as a barrage of propaganda from Russia to sow division in a highly Polaroid us electorate, persistent cyber intrusions into companies, into campaigns of both former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris and a grave Iranian assassination plot targeting Trump, they see this as a period of vulnerability for us. Olson told CBS, even evening news anchor and managing editor Nora O'Donnell, they're looking at ways at which they can change the outcome of our election, or to find issues that divide us in ways that support their national interests at the expense of ours. He says, in Russia, he says malicious actors are leverage leveraging artificial intelligence to manufacture content, such as fake videos of the Vice President meant to spread disinformation. Moreover, he said Moscow has upped its game in another way, laundering. Kremlin talking points to US based social media influencers who have large online followings. Olson. Described a brazing effort by Russia to help Trump win the election. What we're seeing with Russia's clearly preferred outcome, Russia has been seeking to boost the candidacy of the former president, to denigrate the candidacy of the former of the Vice President, and then he goes on to say,
I'm trying to look here when they get into the other countries. He goes as for China, while the volume activity is less than than that coming out of Iran and Russia, their interest in the upcoming election seems more focused on congressional and state office campaigns, where they aim to find candidates who may fall more in line with the interest of Chinese, like I said earlier, rather than the presidential race.
Ian
Wow. So here
Stoney
I found this for y'all. France banned mail in voting in 1975 due to fraud. Mexico banned mail in voting in 1992 due to fraud. Belgium banned mail in voting in 19 2018 due to fraud. Sweden does not permit mail in voting. Italy, Ukraine, Russia, Japan, no Middle Eastern countries permit mail in voting, and no Latin country permits mail in voting. Well,
Jason
as I said, because they know what mail in voting allows a smart group to be able to manipulate votes. The only way that was able to get through was the pandemic, and that's why he goes back to talk of of of how this pandemic happened. It came out of Wuhan China. It was released with the maybe, with the intention of mine, of creating an environment where I can we have to do something to change the paradigm. What is going to be? Well, let's, let's create an environment where mail in voting would be palatable, and then we can manipulate the votes that way, because without that, you can't without mail in voting. Trump is the president United States right now. Think about that right without mail in voting Trump is the president right now. Crazy. Did y'all see this former Colorado county election official? No, the one that got sentenced to nine years,
Ian
I think I did hear about this.
Stoney
Yeah and yeah, what did they get convicted of
Jason
Tina Peter Tina Peters, a Republican, was convicted last August on most counts against turn the election interference case. Peters, 68 help, helped breach Mesa County's election computer systems and allowed an unauthorized individual to access voting equipment election records she carried out the breach amid unsubstantiated claims what mass voter fraud had caused former brought President Donald Trump to lose the White House in the last presidential election. State district court judge Matthew Barrett told Peters on Thursday, you're no hero. You are a charlatan who use and is still using your prior position in office to peddle a snake oil that's been proven to be junk time and time and again. He sentenced her to eight and a half years in the Colorado Department of Corrections and additional time in the Mesa County Detention Center. So she
Stoney
gave somebody access and was able to prove that there was election fraud committed, and then they convict her, right? So what happened to whistleblower laws?
Jason
I don't know if I'm I mean, what she did? If she did, she broke the law, right, allowing third party, but the same time, if the system is rigged, where the only way you can expose the truth is by breaking the law, then where does that put us? You know, where does that put us? And I don't like where that puts us. But I think in her mind, she felt like what she was doing was right, rather with some judge who's probably some, I'd say it probably somebody that favors the other side of the political aisle. You know, in her mind, she goes, Look, I got up. I kind of show this because this is a joke, right? This system is not working the way it's supposed to work. You know, not to say that Colorado would have gone red, right or not. I think for I think that state has lost, um.
Stoney
Them, but, but you have to think about it also. You know now that the Department of Justice is weaponized against the American system citizens, she couldn't even call the FBI and say, I need help with this, because guess what, they work for the Biden crime family. So she had no one to call. All she could do was just try to get it out there, get the information out there and let people see it. But she got convicted of it. He
Jason
said, investigators also issued a search warrant for my pillow founder, Mike Lindell.
Ian
I heard about that too,
Jason
and I now I don't know if Mike lindell's where he she could show you know, when he first came out and said, I can show you proof of the voter fraud. I'm wondering if it was tied to this. It might have been, I don't know, but that's it. Once again, it's if the only way for me to prove my case is to break the law, then you know, what does that put me as someone that's trying to show the Hey, man, this, this, this is screwed up, right? This is not the way our system is meant to work. But as I said, it's, it's,
Ian
I don't know, crazy stuff, crazy stuff.
Stoney
It's gonna be an interesting month. Or I think it's
Ian
going to be interesting.
Stoney
Stock up on target goods and ammo and everything. Jack
Jason
Smith, you know him, Judge unsealed another, you know, new evidence filed in Trump election interference case. I mean, it's just like it cannot let this go. No, of course not, because what's going to happen, I'm gonna tell you, if Trump gets elected, he's basically his Justice Department's gonna drop all these cases and it's gonna be over with. So they're so desperate to try to to convict him, where he can't be president. I just it's unbelievable where this, where we've where we've gone as a country, but here we are. So
Ian
as of the release of this episode,
Stoney
yes, I hope, I think I know where you're going with this. I don't know as
Ian
of the release of this episode, it's going to be 21 days till the election. Oh, so I was gonna go ahead and give a little call to action. Yes, you can go to vote.org and register to vote. I think that's a non biased place to get all your star, non partisan. What do you want to call it? Place where you can go ahead and check if you registered, your eligibility and all that stuff and register to vote and all that stuff, and figure out where your your voting stations are going to be at, because I think I just learned where mine is. So I'm, I'm going to be getting prepared. And again, I know there's a we talked about some dark stuff. I know sometimes we talk about some, some dark things like this. But I mean, if you have the ability to go and vote and, you know, make your make a difference.
Jason
We talking dark stuff. Now, wait till next week. It's gonna be more dark.
Ian
Yeah. So, yeah, what did you think? What do you think I was going with this?
Stoney
We hit a milestone on our downloads, really? Yeah, I
Ian
didn't see that.
Stoney
Well, check it out.
Ian
Okay, let me pull it up. Since you're giving a sense of stuff here. Let's see what we got. Stats, yeah, all time, all time,
Stoney
15,000 over 15,000 downloads. Now that's not listens, guys, that is actual downloads.
Jason
Yeah, I was talking to someone around you know how the metrics, you know how they, how they determine how many people are actually listening to your podcast? And I don't know how. I don't know how they, you know what counts as a listen,
Ian
right? You know, I still, I
Stoney
don't think they do listen. So I think when you hit the download button, that comes up, because, like, Apple has 10 or 15 podcast players below them, right? So it's kind of weird. You got anything on this one? Ian, No,
Ian
I've never really learned why our distribution site calls it downloads. And I think they do that because I think that you don't have to particularly download the episode, but if you listen to almost an entire portion of it, I think your phone does kind of
Jason
that's where I'm very curious. At what point does the cutoff occur? Is it 50% is it two thirds or whatever? If you log, if
Ian
you log into the like the back end of Spotify. I believe there's also metrics that, like, how many times people have started the episode? I'm not sure. So they go by streams. So it's not downloads, but it's streams for Spotify. So I think it's just a different. Different I've also heard from people in the industry that that the metrics for podcasts are hard to hard to nail down. So I don't think we're the only ones.
Stoney
Well, y'all keep listening. Oh yeah, download Exactly. Share us and get us out there. Help get us out there. We got some some good stuff coming. Some interesting episodes are ahead of us, and please share us, yep, tell all your friends about us, your family, share us, yep, and on and like us and give us some five star stuff too,
Ian
right? We have Facebook page, forward slash retrospect. Five you can reach out to us that way. As I've been saying in the past few episodes, we do have comment sections now on a lot of different platforms that I kind of check up on pretty consistently. So Spotify and YouTube both have comment sections for the videos where you can leave those like, like Stoney just said, leave us a like. Subscribe to the channels where you can or wherever you feel like you want to listen to us on and until next week. Thank you so much for listening. Bye, bye. Goodbye,
Jason
everyone. God bless.
Stoney
Hey. Thank you for hanging out with us today. You're the best. Peace.