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Inside DARPA: Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency | Retrospect Ep.195
In this week’s episode we discussed the fascinating world of DARPA—the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. Known for developing groundbreaking technologies like the internet, GPS, and stealth aircraft, DARPA has shaped the modern world in ways few realize. We uncover its origins, its most influential projects, and how it continues to push the boundaries of science and defense innovation.
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DARPA, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, Cold War, Sputnik, autonomous weapons, brain-machine interfaces, artificial intelligence, stealth technology, GPS, mRNA vaccines, transhumanism, cybernetic implants, exoskeletons, high-risk high-reward, government secrecy.
Jason 0:05
today, we pull back the curtain on an agency that sounds like something out of a cyberpunk thriller, but it's been shaping our world in quiet, profound ways for the last six decades. What if I told you that some of the most groundbreaking world changing inventions of the last century didn't come from Silicon Valley, but from a secretive branch of the US, Department of Defense, internet, GPS, stealth technology, all of them trace their roots back to a single source. Today we open the vault on DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency founded in the chaos of the Cold War after Sputnik shook America's confidence, DARPA wasn't just created to catch up. It was designed to leap ahead, to imagine technologies the enemy couldn't even dream of. Since then, DARPA has operated at the blurry edge where science fiction meets classified reality, autonomous weapons, brain machine interfaces, artificial intelligence that predicts your next move. This isn't tomorrow's tech. This is what DARPA is testing right now. Here's the real question, who decides what the future looks like, and who gets to control it? Because when the government hires geniuses to imagine the unimaginable, we all end up living in its wake. Strap in. This isn't just a story about machines and minds. It's about power, secrecy and the thin line between innovation and surveillance. The i Welcome
Ian 2:10
to the retrospect podcast, a show where people come together from different walks of life and discuss a topic from their generations perspective. My name is Ian, and as always, I'm joined by Stoney, hello and Jason. Hello
Jason 2:20
everyone. How's it going? Good, man. I tell you what driving out here today is the weather was just crazy.
Ian 2:27
I've never heard a lightning crack like that before.
Stoney 2:32
I was telling Jason it was it lightning for like, 15 minutes. Strikes crazy was like one big thunder for 15 minutes. I was like, What the heck?
Jason 2:40
Just rumble. I always cringe when it's lightning. That much about all my electronics in my house, like, is this gonna be the one bolt that just takes
Ian 2:49
everything out? It ends at all? Sorry
Stoney 2:52
I missed last week. I'm just going through a lot, and there's a whole bunch of stuff with workman's comp happening. The Magnus show is continuing, and I've been going through a lot of stuff, and I'm wondering if maybe an episode we can do in the future is just missed opportunities. Okay, maybe we can think about that, you know, because I was thinking, you know, there's a lot of missed opportunities out there, you know, like Aldi. Why doesn't Aldi have its own nut brand, and it would be called all these nuts.
Jason 3:32
But seriously, Stoney has always got a good one in there.
Stoney 3:35
Seriously about the missed opportunity thing. I just thought that would kind of open up the show with a little humor there. But, you know, missed opportunities, I think might be a good show. Yeah, maybe we could consider that and add that to the whiteboard.
Jason 3:47
Yeah, absolutely. That would be an interesting topic to talk
Ian 3:51
about. Yeah, nuts, all these nuts. I don't know about that. That's funny.
Stoney 3:59
I gotta try, of course I got it's hard catching you guys.
Jason 4:01
This is what we miss, not having Stoney here we talked about this last week. You
Ian 4:08
know, there's a missing charm to the show when he's not
Stoney 4:12
around. About charm would be the word I just smell might be
Ian 4:14
something I don't
Stoney 4:18
know about charm. But
Ian 4:20
today we're talking about DARPA, which is interesting. Again, we to kind of continue in this kind of theme. Yeah,
Jason 4:26
this kind of culminates everything we've kind of talked about for the last few episodes. I know everybody out there may be kind of tired of these topics, but this was probably the last one that I can think of that really kind of encapsulates everything that you know, all the things we've been talking about. So hopefully it'll be a good episode. Hopefully you'll find some some some interesting tidbits in it, and you can do your own research and see exactly what's going on there.
Stoney 4:56
Well, it was founded in 58 with Sputnik like two. Jason said in the intro, it scared the Americans big time to think that the Russians had made it to space before them. And that's a lot of if you notice one of the themes of all of this stuff, paperclip, Nantucket, or what was you know, everything Oh, what was it did a gateway experience. Recently, there was another one. MK Ultra Yes, Stargate Yes. And the
Ian 5:31
one that we made up, yes, oh, Ken yams and
Stoney 5:37
but what's the common denominator to all of them fear, right? They are all born out of fear. And that's something I kind of noticed researching this DARPA thing. It's all about fear, right? Either being afraid or wanting to cause someone else to be afraid, right? And that's what's pushing the world right now. If we look about what's happening just in America today. It's all about fear, right? The media fear the government, fear all these little groups running around, rioting and causing chaos, fear. It's all about pushing the fear agenda. I wonder if that's not the whole agenda for all of this. Well, it's just pure fear.
Jason 6:21
Well, I mean, look, I mean, the reality is, the world is a mean, cruel place, and they got people out there that are want to destroy you, you know, so it. I mean, you may, you may say it's fear, and I agree. It's, it's at its heart, it's fear, but it's, it's fear. Everybody's is fearful of something. You know, the you know, the Chinese are fearful of of America, of, you know, doing something to them. The Russians are fearful that the Americans or the Chinese are going to do something to them. And it's just vice versa. The Americans are scared that the Russians or the Chinese are going to do something to them, or some other, you know, Iran, or whatever country is out there that that wishes us harm. So, you know, I think, I mean, we have to, we have to look at the time in which this was birth. I mean, I mean, you're coming out of World War Two. The communists are on the march. I mean, they're taking Cold War, their fear, oh yeah, they're taking all about fear. They're taking over everything. And so, you know, America, you know, it's like, you know, we're not going to, you know, Sputnik people. What is Sputnik? You know, Russians put a little 23 inch diameter sphere up in space. We would look at that today and go, what's the big deal? You know, who cares, right? The problem is, is they use an ICBM to put it up there. So now the problem is, okay, the Americans are going, well, if they can put that up, they can put a nuclear warhead on that thing, and they can drop that thing on Washington, DC. We got to do something about it, right? So it's always going to be this, right? You know, this tit for tat, and from what I picked up in this stuff, it appears DARPA was created because it had to, in essence, with us creating the atomic bomb, we created our own obsolescence into the thing, right? So, because we knew once we created the bomb, other people were going to eventually learn about the bomb, and guess what? Now we need to do something to overcome the bomb, to protect
Stoney 8:33
us. The Nazis were three months away from their own nuclear warhead, or atomic warhead, and they actually sent all of their stuff on a submarine to Japan. When they realized that they were done, they put all of their stuff on a submarine that supposedly, luckily was sunk on the way to Japan, but they put everything they had on that submarine, including some scientists, all their paperwork and some of the research and items that they had on that submarine, and they were close, yeah, if they didn't have it, we talked about the bell that they were, of course, on to. And it's funny, you know, that's why play, you know, organizations like DARPA and all this other stuff. That's what their that's what their agenda is, is to get ahead in the next group. And if you can use the brain, figure out what they're trying to do and get ahead of
Ian 9:32
them. There's like, interesting parts of DARPA that didn't realize that. I mean, I knew that they've started off like the beginnings of what the internet is and and stealth technology and stuff. But I didn't realize they did. They also originally did, like, GPS stuff. Yeah, they like, they originally had, like, DARPA led like project to, like, make GPS a thing. And then, of course, it became like a What else did they start? Ian, the one thing I know that I want to talk about, I'll say. Talk about, but I want to say is, like, my favorite plane, favorite jet is the f1 17 Nighthawk. And the fact that they are like a part of making that like, I didn't realize I knew they were part of, like the stealth, stealth technology and stealth warfare stuff.
Stoney 10:18
But think about something else we've talked about that possibly started in the mid 60s, that DARPA was very instrumental in. Also, the
Ian 10:28
stuff that I have written down is that they also, I think, had stuff with self driving cars and neural engineering, which is interesting, AI, that makes that's your favorite subject, right there. It's my favorite subject
Stoney 10:41
to hate that. That's why I brought fears. They got
Jason 10:46
into this, this idea of using some of this tech to potentially heal brain damaged soldiers. Yeah. Okay, so, I mean, it's always, it's couched in, in a noble cause and but really, what they want to do is map the human brain right completely. So there's fear in that, because of the what they want to do is to be able to make machines better think like a human, of course, and that's the ultimate goal. Now, some would say they've, they've, they've accomplished that. You know, everything I've, you know, I've, I've looked at, regarding some of these projects they've done. Of course, all this stuff is, is already known, right? It's all, everything everybody's reporting on is, is declassified documents. So you don't really know what they're working on now, because, well, they're about 25 years ahead of,
Stoney 11:40
well, I like what you're going there, because I found three things that are very unique to DARPA. Their philosophy, high risk, high reward. 85% of their projects fail, and 15 succeed. Okay? They also, when you go to work for them, you're a temporary, short term employee, all of their project managers are in and out after a few years. To keep ideas fresh. Think about this. You're going to start knowing. I'm just here for a brief and there's no internal labs. DARPA contracts out to universities, private companies and other institutions, so somebody knows what they're doing.
Jason 12:25
They have, they have their own budget.
Stoney 12:28
I got some budget information
Jason 12:33
numbers, and you wonder why the Pentagon can't pass an audit, you know, you know, as I'm saying, look, and look, I'm not one of these people that, you know. I think DARPA is a necessary evil. I think ultimately it's kind of one of these agencies that I want America on top, right? I do right? I don't want us to be second fiddle. And if that means it's potential abuse that could happen, yeah, you got to live with that. You got
Stoney 13:01
to think about their DARPA is structured to disrupt bureaucracy, not build it. Okay, think about that. The three things I just said, they are here to disrupt bureaucracy. They aren't here to help build it. They're not here to help can, you know, can they want to completely disrupt it, right? Their whole goal is to mess up the bureaucracy so we can't know what they're doing, right? That's the whole point.
Ian 13:29
Well, it's all the secrecy, because the second everyone knows about it is, you know, the secrets out at that point.
Jason 13:37
Yeah, I mean, I mean this stuff. I mean it's some of these things, like, I had no idea they actually created the internet. I really didn't know that. I've heard about that before now. I think it was called, like, ARPA, ARPANET. ARPANET, yeah. So, just like, I learned that tour, I believe Yeah, was created by the CIA, yeah, you know. So, you know, yeah, I get all that. But, I mean, you know, it's, it's, but, you know,
Stoney 14:04
they also did memes technology, which is what's used in cell phones today. This the super micro electrical, mechanical systems that are used in cell phones that came from DARPA.
Ian 14:16
Interesting. There's a
Jason 14:18
lot of things I tell people when I, when I was talking some friends of mine about what we're going to be talking about on this episode, and some family like, what is DARPA? And I'm like, You really
Stoney 14:29
hadn't heard of DARPA.
Jason 14:30
I said, Well, I mean, believe it or not, it's just like, it's like, you know, so you'd be surprised that a lot of things we take for granted that we have today, oh yeah, it's because of
Stoney 14:40
them? Well, technically, it's because of Tesla, and they just kind of stole a lot of his stuff and a lot of his ideas, and are putting it out there.
Jason 14:50
Oh, I'm sure they definitely, I mean, those documents that were taken from his room have never been declassified, so at least not that I'm aware of
Stoney 14:59
one of. Of the things that I found very interesting, and we've talked a lot about in these last couple of episodes, about a division or a program gets completely shut down. Oh, it doesn't work, and so and then we just call it something else and dump a bunch of money into it, right? One of their things that they came up with is called Life log. Okay. Have you heard of this? No, I tell him, this is a personal data tracker that was canceled early in 2004 because it was capabilities of modern social media and surveillance tech, and it was supposedly shut down, right? Was it shut down because it didn't work, or was it shut down because it worked? And they called it something else?
Ian 15:53
Think it was the second
Jason 15:56
one. I mean, I think a lot, a lot of these projects that we've talked about in the past. They're still, they're just, they've moved it to another
Stoney 16:04
Well, when I box, I don't know if I told this story, when, before the accident, remember I got the new eyeballs? Yep. And I jokingly asked the surge. I remember we talked about that idea, yeah. Because, hey, you know I'm a sniper, right? If I'm spending this amount of money to be able to shoot, you know, 1200 yards, how much would it cost me to be able to shoot 2500 yards? Yeah, and he kind of jokingly said, you know, called me an idiot. You know, laughed about it. And he says, but if you wait 10 to 15 years, that technology will be out there. And I looked at him and smirked, and I said, you know, I'm the co host of a podcast that deals with some conspiracy theories, and if I can get it in 10 to 15 years, that means some MFRs walking around with it right now. And he just kind of rolled his eyes like this, and went, huh, I don't know what you're talking about. And walked out the room. So DARPA is actually the work that they're doing is 10 to 20 years ahead of what we get correct. Remember, a lot of the stuff, cell phones, drones, the smart glasses, all of this stuff comes from their technologies.
Jason 17:16
I believe that GPS. I mean, it wasn't until I think the Europeans wanted to make this available to the public, into the commercial market that eventually the basically the military, you know,
Stoney 17:32
but China had also stolen it, yeah, and they were afraid, and they had to kind of kibosh that and start doing something to keep GPS Americanized and our allies. So they had to bring in some other groups into this to control the GPS, because they were afraid that if a lot of our stuff was using GPS, that the Chinese and the Russians would be able to disrupt that.
Jason 17:58
Yeah, now everybody's got GPS. Oh, everybody's got it. I mean, it's on every like, wear wearable tech, yeah. I mean, it's just, it's unbelievable call. I can't even imagine driving a car now, what I GPS? I mean,
Stoney 18:10
who remembers the big folder? I remember it quite well. You turn this page, and this page was on the top and below it, and on this side, what was it called the road atlas, yeah? But it was something else. Yeah, it was in a red it
Jason 18:25
was in a binder. I know the one you talk about. I can't think of it.
Stoney 18:28
And, you know, can you imagine having to do that today? You know, who? Who could, you know, what's the, what's the thing? We could cripple a whole generation by writing in cursive, driving and stick and kiboshing GPS, because these kids today could not use a map and a compass for anything.
Jason 18:48
I remember when I my previous job, when I first started, that's how it was done. They gave you a map find. You know, this is over here. You need to make your way over there. And I had no clue, so I had to pull out a map and try to trace my way up there. And that's how I learned. I mean, well,
Stoney 19:08
think about Amazon. Amazon. They they load the trucks, and then the computer tells the driver where to go exactly. Can you imagine them having to flick
Jason 19:21
through our current, you know, commercial model of how we do business now couldn't work with a roadmap. I mean, we're at we're doing things the way we do because Tech has enabled us to be able to do that kind of, Did y'all hear anything about that? Jason scientist and doing research on this. This is who DARPA first. These are the people that made up kind of DARPA in the very beginning, when you know, Kennedy wanted to, you know, made his announcement, wanted you know, this is schools and trying to get people in the science. Sciences and the maths and those kind of things. But the Jason scientists, from what I would able to pick up, if you really follow kind of conspiracy theories and stuff like that, people would be familiar. Yeah, no, the Jason scientists were kind of up there, like we would consider the Illuminati
Ian 20:17
type people. I thought that this was your soft disclosure, that you were part of DARPA, yeah, yeah. Who
Jason 20:27
knows, right?
Stoney 20:28
Well, you have to wonder about conspiracy theories, of course, what was what happened the day that life log was stopped? I don't know what happened. Facebook started really and they believe they're connected. Because, remember, all of this stuff in Facebook is about social media, right? What were all these questions? And, oh, yeah, post a picture of you 30 years ago, 15 years ago and today, so that you can have all your facial stuff and all the facial recognition, and then, what's your favorite color? What's your favorite this? What street did you live on? Blah, blah, blah. Now they're trying to find out all your questions for your, you know, your internet's, you know, profile or whatever profile questions. But you know, hey, when you gotta you lose your password and you need it, what was the first street you lived on? What was your pet's first name? Oh yeah, here's your new password. So we're basically giving Facebook all of our information, of course, yeah, but life logs stopped the day Facebook started.
Jason 21:35
Well, if you remember, if you're conspiracy there, remember the precursor? It was Myspace, oh, yeah, and then Facebook, and then, basically, everybody went to Facebook,
Stoney 21:46
of course, yeah, Myspace died, yeah, I
Jason 21:49
had my space for a while. And yeah, it was a different time. It was a different time. Believe me, there's no doubt that all of these things were probably backed by the CIA as a way of collecting, collecting information. And I think we've doing these research on some of these topics. I think the CIA made a pivot at some point after the end of the Cold War, and with with with terrorism and what happened after 911 it shifted. And their focus, I hate to say, shifted on on the interior. I think it's original mission of of being kind of really an arm of the Department of State. Yeah, it's now, it's changed, and it's the terrorists are right here in our hometown. And so I don't
Stoney 22:39
think it's just terrorists. I think it's about control of us too, right? Them and us. You know, when you when you look at just the stuff that they're investing in, oh, yeah, think, think about what their main budget, and we'll get into some of the budget stuff AI, that's got nothing to do with our enemies, all of us, biotech, nanotechnology, quantum computing is one of their biggest budget expenditures and cyber defense, you know, I mean, really well,
Jason 23:10
look, I'm telling you, you know these Jason scientists right now, there's a bit of a struggle, from what I could tell, and I think what's happened these original Jason scientists, who were primarily physicists that worked in academia, right? And what they used to do was, you know, they would teach, you know, during the, you know, in the spring and the in the fall, and then this summer they would all gather, and they would try to solve these national security problems. That's who kind of advised the Pentagon and DARPA and kind of it being an arm of that, of how, how do we deal with some of these issues? But those have been kind of phased out. Now you've got, I think it's called a defense, defense, some sort of national defense board, Okay, guess who's it made up of? It's made up of defense contractors. Okay, so you don't think
Stoney 24:05
they have a military industry. We talk, we
Jason 24:10
talk about Dwight Eisenhower warned. He feared this closed loop of basically people who make the weapons are also now advising, you know, the, you know, the Pentagon, of what we should do. So, you know, of course, it's always going to be the money and, well, I mean, it's, we've said it before, there's a lot of money to be made in war, yeah, a lot of missiles and bullets and guns and tanks and airplanes. That's big budget stuff, you know? So, yeah, so that's the fear, and I, unfortunately, I think what's happened is now, instead of where you have kind of these scientists as before, that in essence, were out in the field and were just kind of normal, Joe Blows, so to speak, right? Bro. People, and then kind of got together in their off time during a break, and, okay, how do we brainstorm this problem? And then they try to Think Tank, right when they try together for a thing now, now it's, it's the big fight now is, is autonomous drones, of course. You know, killer, killer. You know, I hate to say we mentioned about mapping the human brain and AI and getting machines to think, and all these things that's going on now, matter of fact, there's a big fight in the Pentagon regarding that kind of stuff, because there are some generals that are very wary of basically equipping drones to be autonomous. Oh, yeah. And what that can mean, you know, hey, give it some instructions, go, go, assassinate, whatever, right? And you walk away from that Skynet. Well, scary stuff. I matter of fact, it. I was watching this podcast on regarding this, this, this investigative journalist who reports a lot on on DARPA, and a few of these other type of you know subjects. But believe it or not, there have been a couple directors that were actually at some of these meetings. Believe it or not, James Cameron, really, yes, okay, and another person you're gonna, you're gonna go like, Wow. Who I was fascinated was Chris Carter. And really, the X Files,
Stoney 26:31
a lot of times they get it so close, they are asked and questioned about, how did you know that? How did you know that they get pulled into these me, and they get,
Jason 26:43
they were, actually had some connections these guys, matter of fact, the smoking man. Remember the guy in the X Files, the smoking guy that was based off a real DARPA type of guy. And, you know, so, you know, it's like this all knowing entity, that it's kind of like, we know what's really going on, and you don't, and you probably really don't want to know what's really going on. It's kind of like my favorite episode at the end of the very first episode of The X Files, right? And and molder is meeting with, with, with cigarette man, or, I think it was cigarette man, and we're talking about aliens and stuff like that. And he says, Well, they've been here a long, long time. You know, it kind of left you hanging, and that just kind of set the tone for the rest of the series. So it was pretty fascinating that that even these directors, where they got their ideas to make these movies, right? So to me, the idea, if James Cameron make the Terminator, I guarantee you, he got the idea from some of the stuff that DARPA is working on. And I know that would be quite, quite fascinating that there, believe it or not, there probably isn't some in some corner of some laboratory, something called Skynet. I mean, it just, it is, and I think we're close to it with
Stoney 28:10
AI, with AI, what it is, it's AI, is Skynet, if you look at it any if you watch the movie and you what was the movie, war games, oh
Jason 28:20
yeah. That was another, yeah, that was, that was that was based off of
Stoney 28:25
taking the human control out of it and turning it over to an artificial intelligence and letting it run it because it was for our safety. It's faster, oh yeah, it can make faster and quicker decisions. You know really well. Have you play a game?
Ian 28:41
Have you guys heard of the their annual DARPA hard slogan for projects like and stuff
Jason 28:50
like that? No, I'm basically talk about because I may, I
Ian 28:55
may have heard about it. It's basically a slogan and a benchmark that apparently is part of like, their culture of like, pushing limits of what's possible. It says that, like, if a project isn't daunting, risky or potentially transformative, it probably is not DARPA, hard, quote, unquote. It's like, that's like, what the slogan means, or whatever, but it's what it's supposedly meant to do is like, be exceptionally challenging. Like, it wants to be transformative, not incremental, and it needs to be like, high risk, high reward kind of stuff is what I was reading up on. I thought this is really interesting, because it like one of the goals might be create a computer, like you just said, create a computer that can reason and explain, like a human in a combat scenario. It goes beyond, like, just improving AI performance and all that kind of stuff, and involves, like, like deep scientific stuff and, like, solving problems. They like, really push the envelope. So they'll have, like, this benchmark that they'll put out there, and it'll, you know, have people try and we're.
Jason 30:00
Well, I found the name of that board. Now that is, it's called the Defense Science Board. So this is the new board that is really taking kind of hold of DARPA, and so that is kind of, who's really kind of driving the, you know, kind of the direction of innovation with DARPA. And I will tell you, DARPA is probably the best run government agency in the United States, but it's the least reported on it just, of course, it is. It's, it's very secretive,
Stoney 30:34
right? You say that, but you know earlier when you see it's against bureaucracy. I mean, yeah, you know, that's the whole thing. So, I mean, that's kind of a duelist kind of point of view there. But, you know, it's, it's interesting. So,
Jason 30:49
yeah, this is a, I'm telling you, though, this is a big situation right now that's going on as a big fight between the Jason scientists and these new people that are make up this board now that are, you know, the Jason scientists were, are against any sort of of trying to merge human, human thinking into machines and autonomous drones and and kind of the danger of where that can go. And as we, as you well know, I mean, tech is getting smaller and smaller, you know. I mean, it's just amazing, just the computing power of our phone compared to what you know, what you know, what was ran our satellites, you know, back in the early days. So it's, it's incredible of what can happen. You know, they were involved in the, you know, I'd say it. They were involved with the COVID stuff, as far as not in a necessary, a bad way. But they were heavily involved in getting vaccines down to, you know, available to the public within a certain time frame versus the traditional time frame. It was because, I think, for what I was reading here was the average time, like the old vaccines, the average time between research getting was about nine to 10 months. They wanted to get it down to one to 30 days.
Stoney 32:19
What they, what they do is, is they're gonna, they're gonna tell you that they helped accelerate the COVID vaccine, not COVID 19 vaccine, right? Well, the problem with that is, is because they were working on it for six years already, right? So they knew what was coming. So I don't really think they were a big help. I think that they're doing some rationalization and justification that, oh, yeah, this was a success. This is a great vaccine development platform. Well, when you already know what's coming because you're helping with the bad part of it, you know what was the group of New York firemen that won firemen of the year because they had the highest ratings in the country. They got to the fires the fastest they put the fires out the fastest. Why they were the dumb asses setting the fires? Oh, okay, so DARPA is just a big fireman. Okay, they're starting the fires, and then they can come in and say, Oh, look what we did. We help this?
Ian 33:21
No, potentially, but I don't, I don't believe that. I still don't believe that that's where it all stemmed from. But I do think, but I do think it's funny, though you did bring this up talk about pandemics and stuff like that. Is it? Did you know this is funny? Is that DARPA has been associated with projects that are a quote, unquote zombie apocalypse themed and that kind of stuff. And it basically, it's to say that like that, they have worked on projects that involve real world threats like pandemics and neurological control that kind of sound like zombie scenarios in a way. And they have a way, and they have a bunch of different, like, stuff that kind of goes on about, you know, biological outbreaks, civil unrest and mass casualty events like that. So, like, I think it's, I think it potentially blumps some of, some of that stuff that he's talking
Jason 34:12
when you're a think tank and you've have to sit around the table and go, Okay, what are some things that could happen? What could the enemy use against us, and how do we counteract that? So as I said, just like Stoney mentioned, you know, 80 something percent of their their programs fail, 15% succeed. So the fact of the matter is that 15% are probably very, very significant, right? So I mean, you know, I would think the idea on the vaccine deal here, if the traditional method of producing a vaccine took nine to 10 months right to get it from laboratory out to the public, where the public. Public can be start to get inoculated from a whatever pathogen might be out there, if you can get that down to 30 days, you know, I think that's incredible. Now,
Stoney 35:12
considering the fact that the vaccine has killed so many people, getting it out maybe wasn't such a good idea, and it's just somebody saying, Ooh, look what we did. Okay, the vaccine is killing people. The vaccine is killing more people than it's helping. So was it really a good thing? No, okay, so I kind of disagree with that, because we're just saying, Ooh, look at us. Look what we did when they knew what was going on. What they're thinking about is how to kill the population. I don't think that's Oh, I absolutely do. Because how many people,
Ian 35:48
what would that benefit them, killing the population? What does that benefit
Stoney 35:52
the military industrial complex and the ultra elite want to do that. Who is on the board, the lib tards, the same people that are the professors and the think tank, people that are on the
Ian 36:07
board, how does that benefit them?
Stoney 36:09
Because there's more food and less carbon emissions, and they know they're going to live and we're going to die.
Ian 36:15
But again, it sounds like a Okay, I gotta stop.
Stoney 36:21
It's kind of like Israelis the 10th man, I think, okay. Have you heard of Israelis the 10th man? They have a group of 10 men, okay? And they're presented with an idea, and one man has to take the stand of the outrageous, no matter what you think it is. This group came out after the attack. Um, in the 70s. Okay, and so the one the 10th man has to take the stance of the completely outrageous and fight for that, no matter that the other nine are looking this other way. What if this group is doing the same thing?
Jason 37:01
Now? I mean, I don't have any evidence, any overwhelming evidence, to show that, you know, they were trying to kill people I think. I mean, look, we all lived during COVID. There was a lot of fear. And look, this just proves to me, all I got to do is shake the reality of under my feet a little bit, and then people will do a lot of things that they never would have dreamed of. I tell people all the time, if COVID was something that had a 50% mortality rate across all age groups, right, I guarantee you people would have been locked up in their homes, afraid to go outside, the entire world would have shut down completely. And people say, Well, I would never do that. I knew people that were these people that said that. And all of a sudden, all of a sudden, that happened. And guess what they did? They locked themselves up in their house, of course, because they got because of fear, because it's my life, and I don't want to get sick and just die and gurgling. And this
Ian 38:04
is what I and this is what I'm talking about, is I feel like that's the same sort of stuff I'm talking about, is I feel like that happened and and we all had to, like, make a decision. You had to make this point. And what I'm saying
Stoney 38:16
is COVID was two social experiments. Oh no. The COVID vaccine was designed in China and let out on purpose as a social experiment. Guess what? So was the vaccine, and we fell for both of them. Okay? We fell for the COVID thing. You had people driving around alone in their cars, not with one mask, not with two masks, wearing three masks. Then they said, Okay, let's see how we can force the people to take not one but two vaccines, and how many updates on top of that. And let's see what we can get the people to do. This was a test.
Ian 38:59
Oh, I agree. I think it eventually became a test. Yeah, I started. No, I I hear you, but I don't, I don't think that people, I think that. I think you give credit to a lot of people,
Stoney 39:13
okay, whose lab was 15 miles away from Wuhan, China, where the virus started, who had a laboratory that spent $25 million in Wuhan China every year developing
Jason 39:27
and probably who was paying him? No,
Stoney 39:31
who was doing it was Bill Gates, right, all right. Who says we need to kill two thirds that
Ian 39:39
was taken out? No, it's not. I have the video, and I know, I know, and I think, I think he
Stoney 39:44
said, we're going to use vaccines, right, and birth control to kill off two thirds of the population.
Jason 39:52
I saw that, that deal. I've seen some deals on Bill Gates regarding that, and I'm not necessarily, I kind of strike. Battle the as I said, I kind of walk a little bit with tension on this topic. I do believe that, you know, there were people trying to find a cure for something that no one knew anything about, because the reality is, you had people dying in hospitals. And of course, you know, there's probably a lot of CO morbidities involved with a lot of these people that were, you know, I had COVID. I've had COVID three times since it's came out. But, you know, I I still believe that the intent was to try to find a cure, because that's what everybody was screaming for at the same time. Do I think that maybe could be some nefarious activity there? It says, let me do this to see how it affects, right? I do believe that was definitely a lot of that. I think going on that way. And I think, unfortunately, there are a lot of noble people that we're trying to work very hard to find something do. I think there was probably some bad actors in that. Oh, yeah, probably so yeah. I mean, it's just inevitable that it's going to happen that way. The problem is now all vaccines have become this, this, yes, this fear thing now and it I kind of worry. So the next disease that happens, what are we supposed to do? Don't create a vaccine. No,
Ian 41:28
I think we're gonna I think what's gonna happen is we're gonna create a vaccine. Is gonna be a large
Jason 41:32
percentage of the population. I don't know. What do you do your house? And you never leave your house. I knew people that were wearing full gas apparatuses, going to grocery stores with that on. And it was crazy,
Stoney 41:44
because here you go for a disease that had a better mortality rate in a positive sense than the flu. Okay, okay, this was a spin. This was a test the lib tard liberal media was paid to push an agenda. Facebook was paid by these elite to push an agenda and test the American public silence magically these organizations now, hey, we have this vaccine that we can magically produce in numbers that could not have been produced in that time.
Ian 42:26
I think because, again, they already had, because of the pressure. I think a lot of it, I think, again, there's no once you, once you spin up, that once you spent the populace, and get the and you shut down their whole life, and you get that much fear involved, you're going to have pressure to make no matter how, no matter how ineffective it was, you got to produce a cure. Now I do believe that they did spin it up, and they did make it this big thing to probably control the populace. But then once you start, once you start hanging on for a few more months,
Stoney 42:52
they didn't cure it. Well, they're killing people. Okay, right? So they didn't come out with this magic
Ian 42:57
cure, but it still shut the people up though. They got their FL they got their shots, they got their boosters, they got all the
Stoney 43:02
stuff they needed. You got it three times, right? Yeah. How many shots did you take? I took the first two. The first two, huh? I got none. I got it zero times. In a house full of people, right? People with
Jason 43:18
but now I will say this, I came down with the first bout of COVID before I had any shots, right? So it wasn't because of the shots that I've came down with. I've come down with some lesser variants, right? Since then, nothing like it was the first time, right, how I
Stoney 43:38
felt. Because you have to understand how a virus works. Virus is not designed to kill. A virus actually mutates to be less lethal, less lethal and less lethal each time you get it, because if it kills the host, right, then what good does it? Right? The virus and dies alone. Virus dies with it. So in its own self, the virus is going to do that? Yeah. It's, yeah, it's just that's, it was, I'll die believing that was a test, a social experiment,
Jason 44:07
any and I'm not saying it's not. I mean I'm not. I don't have enough evidence. I've seen evidence. I watched a video on a guy that was very, very direct. It's, I wish I could still find it. But about what people that have gotten shot would they have in their body, which I have in my so it's just whatever we
Stoney 44:28
had, Miss Shanna, come on the mortician, right? Who said, Yes, we are finding the strings in people's bodies that had the shot. Yep, something's happening,
Ian 44:39
right? No, I agree. All I'm saying is that I think it's all happenstance. I think that, again, like, that's one of the things. Like, they made a, they fast, they expedited a, what they thought was a cure all for this. Yeah, it was, and now it has
Jason 44:53
warp speed, or wherever
Stoney 44:54
it was Trump. I just like even happenstance.
Ian 44:56
Okay, what I'm saying is I. Like, the same thing happened with what happened in Wuhan China. I feel like something happened, a mistake happened, which caused an outbreak of something they probably should be testing with or messing with. And then, of course, it got spun up into like, then it became political. That's that was my that was why I was so I, I hated talking about this, because I was like, we can't talk about, like, the thing itself. We can't talk about the fact that we're all humans. And there's a lot of mistakes being happening without it being spun up into like a conspiracy.
Stoney 45:24
China thing was intentional. It was on purpose, because in China, until they mutated it, they had to get rid of their elderly population. And when you listen to the first reports of the virus before it got to America and started the four, what, four mutations. It was killing only elderly people because we're trying to kill that's probably true. But what I'm saying that's intentional. That's not an accident,
Ian 45:51
I know. But okay, whatever. Let's please continue. Well,
Jason 45:55
I mean, that's, I mean, we kind of got sidetracked off COVID related stuff, but, I mean, DARPA is involved in a lot of other things, of course. I mean, another topic that, you know, they've, they're very much involved in, is transhumanism. And we've talked about transhumanism, you know, I think there is a push with the merging of robots and machine and man together creating hybrids, we would call cyborgs and stuff like that. I think they want to get used to soldiers operating and working with robots, right? I think that's the I think that's the next, I think that's the next big thing you're going to see. Ward more advancements when it comes to that cybernetic implants. There are, right, right now, very much involved in exoskeletons. Oh, yeah. And matter of fact, I mean, DARPA was very much involved in cybernetic implants. And as far as cybernetic, you know, enhancements, like people they got their arms blown off, or show their legs. Well,
Stoney 47:05
that's, that's kind of what's going on right now with the Donald Trump, Elon Musk. Thing is, because people are looking at, how many of these contracts are he getting? Is he getting? Because that's a lot of what he deals with, with the cyber implants and things like that. They want to know is this big argument happening between them two? Because maybe people are finding out how many defense contracts he's going to get.
Jason 47:29
Yeah, they call
Ian 47:31
it bio hybrids. Yeah, talking about conspiracy theories for that kind of stuff, or I'll say conspiracy theory, but like that whole theory, that whole spat that they had online, I think was, like, a was a, I think
Stoney 47:46
it was intentional.
Ian 47:47
I think it was a, what do you call it a distraction, a diversion, diversion. I think, I think it was meant to stir up and get people to look at that instead of what's actually happening. Because I don't know what's happening, but, like, there's, you know, I kind
Stoney 47:59
of broke the DARPA impact into a generational thing. And I want to go ahead and do it because of what you're saying right there with the the meta, human kind of stuff, so to speak. Boomers lived through the Cold War and the early internet. Gen X witnessed stealth technology, GPS and digital surveillance rise. The millennials are grow, are growing up with DARPA born internet tech now see the rise of AI and brain interfaces, and Gen Z will most likely be the first generation to normalize DARPA linked human enhanced technology. That sounds about right, but look at the spread, oh yeah. Of just the technology there. That is insane. That's all. That's a lot just,
Ian 48:48
we've talked about this 100 times the show, I feel like the speeding up of technology.
Jason 48:52
Yes, you know what DARPA reminds me of, whatever you have. So funny. How it relates back to video game. Oh yeah, the Enclave. Throw that in there. I was like, you know, the more we talk about this, about these exoskeletons, I'm thinking of power armor and all these things that
Stoney 49:16
hear about, the DARPA Grand Challenge,
Ian 49:18
I guess I read a little bit about
Stoney 49:20
that. This was the autonomous vehicle race that sparked the self driving car industry from 2004 to 2007 across the US. Can you imagine that raising that was back in early 2000
Jason 49:36
I want you to talk about, a little bit about the dollar figures. I know you said you had some budgetary figures. You said you wanted to talk about, hold on, let me I'm curious. I saw some numbers kind of talking, you know, researching this topic, and it's quite, it's quite basic
Stoney 49:56
eye opening, yes, basically, DARPA gets about four. And a half billion dollars in the fiscal 2025, year. And what they do is, is there s these are all estimates, of course, the Small Business Innovation Research, or SBI, R or STTR, they spend about 300 million This is seed staged technology via small businesses there. This is where they're funding people to kind of go in the direction they want in electronics, networking and it R and D. They're spending $1.4 billion this is over, you know, a good bit of their funding for advanced electronics, networking, cyber and their AI research, critical technology areas, hypersonics and biotech, they're spending $1.6 billion which is hypersonics, ew, Cyber, space tech and quantum computing, stuff that they're working on right their test and evaluation infrastructure. They're spending almost half a billion dollars on that, and the remaining budget of 1.0 6 billion is other r, d, okay, in quotes, other r, d, program offices, internal support and emergent tech portfolios. Wow. And of course, these are just figures that
Ian 51:35
we So, what do we have? What is, what is the, what was the total number of the budget again, total
Stoney 51:39
number is about four and a half billion dollars.
Jason 51:42
Yeah, they could just kind of take that money and just like, yeah, go hire, you know, I was curious apartments at universities, right? Well, that's what. And believe me, they can just and then they can fold that program up when they want to. And remember, be out of there
Stoney 51:56
our buddy, Brandon Iglesias, oh, yeah, that was kind of some of the people that were hiring his little company exactly come out
Jason 52:04
exactly. That's all part of that's all part of it, part of DARPA's.
Ian 52:09
I just think it's crazy that basically a quarter of that fund is all just like other stuff
Stoney 52:14
that
Jason 52:17
Brandon talked about. I mean, you know, the wet wear, and how all that is in our food and water and in how all that, you know, some say that, you know, the shots of vaccines, that there's no carriers in there. I mean, it's everywhere. I don't know how you get away from it, because whether, whether you get a vaccine or not, you still got to eat. You still got to drink. So unless you're growing your own food, Oh, yeah. And then you got to wonder about, okay, are they doing weather modification? What are they dropping out of the cloud? So, I mean, you know, I don't know how you get away
Stoney 52:55
from it, but in 1958 the initial ARPA, because it started off as ARPA right after Sputnik, they put in $520 million in 63 it was approximately $250 million in 96 it was 2.2 7 billion in 2005 it was 3.2 5 billion in 2021 it was three point 5,000,000,024 it was 4.12 2 billion. And in 25 it's about four and a half billion dollars. That's wild.
Ian 53:35
That number never goes down.
Stoney 53:37
Well, actually, I actually, actually it did. It started off at 520 they went to 250 and then right in a couple of decades, and went to,
Ian 53:46
yeah, I'm talking about once, once it gets success, once it gets going, it gets going.
Jason 53:51
Well, let me tell you what they I mean, they were also, I mean, DARPA was the ones that created Agent Orange,
Ian 53:57
really. Yes, interesting.
Jason 53:59
So there's a lot
Stoney 54:00
of with 911 there was a big search, right? Oh, I mean, that's 3 billion.
Jason 54:07
And I'm gonna tell you right now, you know, President Trump has mentioned about creating a defensive shield around the United States, its own Golden Dome, yeah, sort of, kind of model, after what Israel
Stoney 54:19
did Ronald Reagan start that wasn't it started SDI
Jason 54:23
Strategic Defense Initiative. And I'm gonna tell you what I remember a speech he gave. It was, whether it was a in con, it was in front of Congress, or just a, you know, an interview, you know, like the media right, gave a press conference, but he mentioned about the threats out there, and he like pointed at the sky, really, yes, so you kind of wonder what he was hinting in. At all, right? I just think there's, you know, we have to have a an organization like this. That is, yeah, that is finding ways to keep you on top and to possibly anticipate things that we're not even thinking about, right? Right? You know, we just don't, you know, we kind of go about our lives and we just kind of live it, and we're in our own little bubble, and we just kind of do our thing. But I'm glad there's an is an agency out there that is, that's pushing the limits, yeah, you know, that's just kind of like, let's, let's, let's see what we can find, and see how hard we can push science. I got
Stoney 55:44
one for Ian in 1963 ARPA contracted MIT with a $2.2 million for Project MAC, which is the early AI labs, okay, in 1963 right? Early AI, they already knew, Oh, yeah, but I continued for about 3 million a year into the 70s, and then it started spiking after that.
Ian 56:15
I think AI has taken on many different forms, but it's until we started hitting large language models and things like that. And started like scalping the internet is when things started to get real crazy. But I'm gonna
Jason 56:27
tell you what, a lot of people don't realize. A lot of tech that was shown the world was during the Gulf War. You know, you know, Cheney, while defense secretary, was very much a proponent of using tech to win wars, right to win conflicts. And I think the world was shocked about how fast we completely toppled Saddam Hussein, and they had a pretty substantial army. They really did, yeah, you know, I think at one time they were, like the fourth or fifth largest. Think
Stoney 57:06
it was also an untested army. Though, America is a tested army, whether people say we haven't won a war since World War Two, well, still a tested army,
Jason 57:16
yeah. But I think people was, I think other countries were shocked, yeah, of how fast the US military completely just drove into that country and just and just took it, believe me, China and Russia were looking at, oh,
Stoney 57:31
they were watching. Oh, you're talking about fear again. Oh yeah, they were
Ian 57:35
watching. I don't know if this is a sore subject to bring up, but of course, the recent destruction of the of the military base over in Iran,
Jason 57:46
talking about when they shoot the rockets,
Ian 57:48
yeah, well, whenever America bombed, well, yeah, there
Jason 57:53
was three new facilities. That was all. I think they were expecting Iran to do something. Well, of course they were, because they were talking about, I think, be honest with you, the way that whole thing went down, it was like, Okay, we'll let you, let you do your thing. Yeah, we're gonna clear the base out. Nobody's gonna get hurt. Let you shoot your missiles, right? You know, show that you're, you know, you're, you responded back, you know, I just kind of feel like that was kind of like kind of weak, considering that, literally, you just had a country, just fly in and just bomb three major facilities in your home country, right? And the only thing you did was pop off a few rockets, right?
Ian 58:42
I could be wrong. But you know, you know what some of that it was, it was speaking of stuck stealth technology. It was done out by A, b2, spirit, stealth bomber, yeah, and from what I have, I could be wrong. The reason why it everything went off as good as it did, because it was never detected. It, came in there and dropped the bomb, destroyed the whole facility, and was gone. And no
Stoney 59:04
way they had other planes. And it was, yeah, brilliant. But you know what I like what Ian said earlier, because it's, watch this hand. You can't see what this hand is doing. It's now come out that Donald Trump wants to open a golf course in Iran. Stop it. Yes, he's got the first three holes. Yeah,
Jason 59:27
I knew that. I knew that was coming. So we
Stoney 59:31
were talking about DARPA and the vaccines. Yeah, they came out with mRNA vaccines after and said, This is the greatest thing. We've just developed it. But yet, DARPA, in 2013 years before, was giving moderna money to come up with the mRNA, of course, right? Yeah. Way back. Back then, even though they came out and said, Oh, look what we just developed.
Jason 1:00:03
Well, this is, this is, I think, where the where DARPA is thinking ahead and going, these viruses seem like something that could possibly be used right to attack. So how do we overcome that? So this kind of goes back to this, thinking 25 years ahead, going, okay, all right, now we need to figure something to combat. It's just like when we create the atom bomb. Now we need to create something that can defeat the atom bomb, right? It's just this constant, I I
Ian 1:00:33
think jump over the hurdle, you know? I think that whole scenario, if it was handled a little bit differently, we would be seeing a different tune right now.
Jason 1:00:42
I think it was the political climate.
Stoney 1:00:44
You know what? Dharma did not invent the mnrna vaccine, right? That's right, but it made it real, yeah? For us. So now we're left with deciding, is the technology breakthrough, all right, or a rushed experiment with a human cost, right? And that's what I'm feeling. Right? Yeah, I understand that there are people out there trying to do something, but I also know that there is a lot of people out there, right, trying to control and doing some nefarious shit. And I just wonder this
Ian 1:01:14
kind of and I don't, and I don't disagree with you, it just gets to a point where, like, where it starts to become like, sinister sci fi, evil villain. Of like, we have to control the population by killing all of them. Of like that. Like, I, I get where you're coming from, but it just doesn't, if you're gonna do that, like, like, Why beat on the bush? Just do it. And I feel like it's kind of one of those things, and it's also I'm understanding the bigger picture of, like, what the benefit of that is, like, anyways, that's, that's what, but that's the part where, for me, it gets a little bit hard for me to swallow that, where it's like, I don't, but I do think, I do think I it's like, I've said 100 times on this podcast and other shows, the truth lies somewhere in the middle, somewhere in that gray zone of like, there are, there are crazy extremes on both sides, but like, the truth is somewhere in that middle part where it's like, I think that a lot of human error was at play. I think a lot of a lot of probably bad intentions were at play. I think a lot of good intentions were at play. And like, so I think there's like, but I think all of it was mismanaged that like, led it to be. I
Jason 1:02:17
think when you put you have human beings, yeah, and you put them in positions of power and give them pretty much unlimited resources. You're only guided by your own internal moral compass and how you go about doing these things. And that's absolutely that's where the problem comes in. Absolute power corrupts. Absolutely it does. And you got so the way you overcome that, and I think it's kind of baked into the DNA of these agencies, right? Because we give them autonomy, because, you know, these things got to get done. Somebody's got to do them. I don't want to take the time to worry about this stuff. I'm not smart enough to deal with that. I'm, you know, I don't have the, you know, those kind of skills. Yes, I just kind of want to live my life and the best way I can and and hopefully you create things that ultimately make life better. Well,
Stoney 1:03:15
see, we still, we still want to live in a time where you can trust your government to handle those things. And from doing this podcast and other stuff, we're finding out that our government's not the one in control, right? Our government is a tool, is a facade, is a whitewash. Thing,
Ian 1:03:35
is a group of people. Well, that's the part for the problem for me is I have been in I have been in workplaces where I work underneath somebody who is important and is the face of something right. When something goes wrong, they look at me and say, What's the problem? Right? And I try, I try to describe the problem to them and try to describe how I'm going to try to fix it. They then have to go to a board of people, rather than relay my information. I gave them as best they can to calm everybody else down before they start, like, pulling money from things and like, that has been my reality where it's like, that's even John on just this small scale I can only imagine. Like, you gotta, you got, I don't know, you got people that are in power that are like, we gotta keep the money going. I gotta start talking to these people or whatever, and then, and people are just kind of giving you the stuff to say, and you just say it,
Jason 1:04:24
and then, now it's, it's real, it's, it's real fear. But look, right at the end of the day, do we want our enemies that are very hostile to us, to have things that can reach out and hurt us, and we have no means of counteract No, no American wants that at all, right? So, unfortunately, it's, it's, as I said, it's kind of baked into the DNA of these, these type of agencies, right? Yeah, it gives rise to the to potential abuses, and has abuses happen. Absolutely, yeah, it's just it. I. Just think that's inevitable. The only way you combat that is through transparency. Because Congress is not overseeing any of this. They're not, they
Stoney 1:05:07
don't have a clue. Post to they don't have
Jason 1:05:10
a clue. I mean, just look
Stoney 1:05:12
at the ones that have a clue. Have been bought and paid for. Oh.
Jason 1:05:16
I mean, just look how bill just look how bills are done. They just the lobbyists prep the bills and they bring it up to the content. I
Ian 1:05:21
don't, have to talk about this, but I have to say something. Did you hear the P Diddy case? Yes, absolutely ridiculous. Yes, you have enough money, you can get away with anything, and it's proof, right there. You have enough evidence against you, and you can get away scot free. That's
Jason 1:05:39
ridiculous. Well, he's not scot free. He's not scott free because he was denied bond. You're right. You're right because of the trend, the prostitution, transportation, Bucha charger, he
Ian 1:05:49
has a potential maximum of 10 years, and I would guarantee he's not even going to see half of that. I agree with that. I'm talking about the the minimum for some of the other charges were 15.
Stoney 1:06:00
But you have to think about this too. What was P Diddy and what was Jerry Epstein? Oh, I know they were CIA assets. No, I know. So they go into it knowing this, knowing they're going to be able to keep their money on the back end, go do a little time and come out and do better the next time,
Ian 1:06:17
right? That's all. I'm sorry, I agree with you. That's a lot of, that's, that's, I mean, you had so much condemning evidence, yes, and you're just
Stoney 1:06:26
out of it, just just the baby lotion alone. It
Jason 1:06:30
kind of, kind of reminds me of the the movie Lord of War, yeah?
Stoney 1:06:36
But that's based off of a truth. It is Victor bow. So
Jason 1:06:40
that's what I'm saying. You know, there's
Stoney 1:06:42
going to be a phone call at that phone, right? And you're going to let me go, yeah?
Jason 1:06:47
To me, it's just, it's how the world works. And unfortunately, there are people in power that need, oh, yeah, some of these kind of undesirable people to do this, because then that gives me leverage. And I agree, yeah, it gives me leverage. So don't tell me that CIA has used some of this information to, basically, when we're dealing with some of these countries, that maybe some of their leaders maybe have kind of dipped their foot in that pond, so to speak, right? They've like, you know what? Maybe on that trade deal or allow this, maybe you probably don't want your people to know we know this, right? Oh, okay, we'll do what you want to do. Yeah, how that works? But that can also work the other way
Stoney 1:07:38
too, well. You let an arms dealer go for
Jason 1:07:40
a basketball player,
Stoney 1:07:43
that was a joke you're gonna tell me that wasn't something other than what we think it was
Jason 1:07:49
really, yeah, back working. That's just politics. Another interesting project I read about with DARPA, which I think would be absolutely fabulous if they can somehow make that happen, is getting the human body to regenerate. Oh yeah, that's crazy. That's sci fi stuff, because I mean that. Well, you know, believe it or not, we do regenerate right. At some point, our body regenerates, and it just comes to a point where it
Stoney 1:08:20
stops? Well, when we were closer to God, we regenerated for 900 years. The further away we've gotten away from God. Now we about, you know, 64 years, 75 years. So
Jason 1:08:32
it's, it's so that was, there is some really incredible work that these, you know, this organization, indirectly, is, is they're doing, and, of course, a lot of it is all through, you know, initially, we know, when DARPA was created, its mission in Congress, and it said was to develop the, you know, tremendous weapon systems of The future. So it was strictly couched in military terms. It had nothing to do with the civilian market or right, or any of that. All these things are byproducts that have come out of it. But it's, it's, it's main focus is to make us the number one military power on earth, and that means it will never be surprised by any country. Yeah, so
Ian 1:09:26
good or bad, hopefully four and a half billion is enough,
Jason 1:09:29
you know, good or bad, I don't know you
Stoney 1:09:31
don't think that's all they're getting.
Jason 1:09:35
I think, I think they are. I hate to say it, and I don't want to put it that way, but I just think they're a necessary evil.
Ian 1:09:43
Yeah, well, for anybody out there who wants to share their opinion on it, I'm I'm really curious to see if we get some people riled up for this one.
Stoney 1:09:51
Yeah, don't forget, our email is get offended together@gmail.com
Ian 1:09:56
correct. We also have comment sections on Spotify and. YouTube and platforms like that. If you want to try and subscribe to us, leave us a like, you know, comment and all that kind of stuff. Also the website, yes, retrospect, podcast.com I think I got it wrong last week, but I think I corrected myself. But anyways, until next week, thanks so much for listening. Bye, bye,
Jason 1:10:16
goodbye everyone, and God bless.
Stoney 1:10:19
DARPA was born out of fear, the fear that someone else might win the future first, and ever since, it's been racing ahead of the rest of us, funding the kind of ideas that change the world or shake it to its core, from the internet and stealth aircraft to brain machine interfaces and mRNA vaccines, it's clear that DARPA's hand is everywhere, even in the places we never expected. But here's the question we're going to leave you with, when a government agency succeeds by its own standards, speed, scale, innovation, does that automatically mean that it succeeded for the people, or is there a growing gap between technology triumphs and public trust? As always, we invite you to think critically, question boldly and dig deeper, because sometimes what isn't declassified speaks the loudest. Thanks for listening. See you next time. You're the absolute best. Peace