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What If The Ice Age Returned | Retrospect Ep.202
In this week’s episode we discussed how a return to glacial conditions would reshape our planet, from shifting climates and mass migrations to food shortages and technological survival. Could humanity adapt, or would civilization freeze under pressure? What would happen if Earth plunged back into yet another Ice Age?
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What If The Ice Age Returned | Retrospect Ep.202
Jason 0:01
The last Ice Age ended about 11,700 years ago. Before that, vast ice sheets, some over two miles thick, covered North America, Europe and Asia. Entire landscapes were sculpted by ICE oceans dropped by nearly 400 feet, and species such as the wooly mammoth, Saber toothed cat and the giant short faced bear that once roamed freely vanished forever. Now humanity lives in a rare intermission, a warm pause between glacial advances. But what if this fragile moment of warmth is only temporary? What if the Ice Age returns? The consequences would be staggering. Entire cities, buried, coastlines, redrawn, ecosystems erased, humanity forced to adapt or perish. We like to think the Ice Age is behind us, a relic buried in prehistoric time. But history is written in cycles, and the earth keeps its own calendar, even now, beneath the illusion of global warmth, forces are stirring, cosmic rhythms, orbital tilts, the quiet Breath of the sun, all conspiring toward one chilling truth. In this episode, we'll explore the science, the myths and the terrifying possibility of Earth's frozen destiny. Because if history has shown us one thing, the ice always returns. The only question is, when you I
Ian 1:39
welcome the retrospect podcast ashore people come together from different walks of life and discuss a topic from their generations perspective. My name is Ian, and as always, I'm joined by Jason. Hello, everybody. Everyone. Stoney, Hello. How's it going?
Jason 2:05
Going good. We've had a good day. I tell you what? Drove through an incredible rain storm, getting out to the studio
Ian 2:11
for two hours over, like an hour and a half. Maybe it just the bottom fell
Jason 2:16
out. It? It? I tell you, lightning, yeah. I mean, I saw some absolutely just incredible displays of Mother Nature, popping off some electricity. And I was
Ian 2:29
cleaning up the house, getting ready, and it was like, You know what to get ready to go get some stuff, ready for the studio and all that kind of stuff. And as I was doing all that earlier this afternoon, I was like, I saw, like the flash and the, you know, how, usually you see the flash and then, like the sound happens, you know, later. This was instant. It was like, if engine, it shook my house. I was like, Oh my gosh. What is it? The
Jason 2:50
heck out lightning that just invokes the sense of,
Ian 2:55
like, power, power. That's
Jason 2:57
it. I mean, you wonder how, like, the your the ancient peoples. You know that. You know that the gods of lightning and stuff like, how, how that, you know, you could see how that would have developed, where they were trying to, you know, rationalize, rationalize these, these incredible forces at work and but, you know, even now, it's like, when you're outside and a big bolt hits close by, it's like your life flashes in front of you. I mean, it's like, I think it I am very small potato. Yes, get inside,
Ian 3:32
yeah. I think it really puts into perspective how fragile everything is sometimes. But I think it's also the fact like it really does. It shakes every fiber of your being. Like it
Jason 3:41
it penetrates, yeah, it penetrates you. I mean, even driving in the car, it's like, when it it hits, it's like, it's like, you feel the electricity, oh yeah. It's just, it just permeates throughout the whole atmosphere. So I
Ian 3:58
think it's also something too of like whenever, like, wildlife life also responds when, like other like pets and animals and like, you know, regular wild, like you see around, they also respond to, like, oh, okay, it's time to, like, find shelter. It's like, okay,
Jason 4:13
I don't, I don't. I don't play with lightning. I really don't. Yeah, I love to see it, but I don't want to be outside
Stoney 4:21
it. It's funny that we always seem to talk about the weather on this show. Oh, yeah,
Ian 4:26
what's a big thing? I feel like it's like, it's, what do you call it? Small Talk? It's small talk. You know, we have other things that go on in the week, but sometimes the weather is the most important, or the most thing
Stoney 4:36
that happens topic of today's show. Yeah?
Ian 4:39
What a nice segue, yeah?
Jason 4:41
Well, I'm telling you guys, this was a, you know, I've always been kind of fascinated by this topic, you know,
Stoney 4:49
what if and when the Ice Age returns? Yeah, this this and when. It's not
Jason 4:55
if, yeah, it's when, yeah, well, I mean, it's like, yeah, it's like, said that. Earth goes in cycles. Yep, we will, we will go through another cooling period. I mean, it's just just kind of the way the I think the scientists say it's the tilt of the earth, and sometimes the orbit drifts a little bit further away from the sun.
Stoney 5:17
But it's also what we talked about, either on a pre show or one of the last episodes with the oxygen Co. Yeah, that goes up and down. It's a big cycle. Trees get bigger, more oxygen, animals get bigger, more CO. And it just, it's a big balance. And all that plays into this. All of it plays into
Jason 5:39
Yeah, well, I'll tell you what. I've always been fascinated, because this kind of ties into a lot of stuff I have followed with, with with Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock and and that, you know, they believe that at during the last ice age that mankind had reached a level of at least some some parts of mankind had reached some level of sophistication regarding, you know, navigation of the globe, and kind of a connective culture where you know, you're finding kind of similar things, where you know in different parts of the world, Where, right? You know, the conventional sciences. Well, none of these people never really met. And it's kind of like, well, you know, how can you have pyramids in South America and you have pyramids in Egypt when, supposedly, these two people never, they never crossed paths, or while they have statues of the almax in Central America that look like Africans that, which means there would have been some, some, some, some cross pollination, with, with, with the continent of Africa. So I, to me, I find it interesting that, you know, this the last ice age. I mean, it's, it's, there was there was a some warming, and then all of a sudden, it got cold for about 1500 years, which kind of defies, and now they've, they have found some, some evidence of some, you know, common impacts within the North American ice sheet, which would, which would indicate that that was, it must have been quite fantastic. Of course, not good if you were living at that time, right? But, yeah, so, but yeah, the ice age is, is somewhat of a fascinating topic. It. We kind of loop it into the the dinosaurs, really, it's, it has nothing to do with the dinosaur. Yeah. And what I found interesting about the Ice Age is kind of, I mentioned that in the in the in the beginning, some of the animals that, at one time, roamed the face of the earth, and they just miraculously, just they
Stoney 7:58
vanished. Yeah, just remember this, though the cockroaches are still
Ian 8:02
here. Oh gosh,
Jason 8:06
cockroaches didn't die well, I mean, I mean, I, I know, in the area where we're at now, I mean, it was, I think they had, they had the giant Beaver, right? And these are, you know, massive animals that, you know, just very large variants of our common animal today, right? But they all got wiped out.
Stoney 8:28
That's also part of the oxygen co thing that goes up. Animals got bigger and they get smaller. And that happens regularly, according to the ice cores, yeah.
Jason 8:40
I mean, at that time, think about it. It's, it's, look at, look at a Google Map, and look at the coastline right, and you could see the shaded areas out into the out where the present coastline is, right? All that was land at one time. Think about that, yeah? I mean, just think of the area that we live in now. You drop sea levels by 400 feet. That's crazy. How much land, yeah, would show up. It would show up. I mean, to me, it's just, it's incredible, because all that sea water was locked up in the ice caps, right? You know, it's hard for me to imagine ice sheets a mile and a half to two miles thick. That's, I mean, New York City doesn't exist. It's completely covered in ice. Chicago, most of Canada, buried in ice.
Ian 9:37
That's crazy to think about. You know,
Jason 9:40
doggerland exists at this time, the North Sea doesn't exist. Wow, yeah, it is that whole piece of air. That area was once, you know, Britain was once connected to rest of Europe, yeah, and we, they call it doggerland. Matter of fact, if you look at the maps, it'll have the Dogger banks. You. And the reason they found that is because fishermen, when they were going out there, were pulling up chunks of of mud and grass at the bottom of the water that shouldn't be there. Interesting, and that's how they found out about Dogger land at one time. Now they'll say that darker land eventually succumb to the natural forces of the of the of the planet, when, as the ice sheet started to melt. Then they call that term isostatic pressure. So what happens that, you know, mile and a half, two miles of ice sheet is sitting on the crust right? And it's what it's doing. It's literally lifting it up. So over here you got the ice sheet, it's lifting the other part of the crust up this way, which means it's shoving land up so it's going above the water as the sheets melt, then the weight starts going the other way, and the land starts to sink back into the back into the ocean. So that's how, literally the North Sea came about. I mean, it was, it swallowed up a very, very rich area of land that connected what is present day Britain, to the rest of Europe. And I'm sure it was used by our, you know, ancient people, as a hunting ground, as a as probably people live there. And probably, if you go down there, you might find evidence of one time of human of human activity. So it's just interesting stuff. I found just some of the stuff I was reading about.
Stoney 11:42
Well, you got to wonder, I mean, how are you going to get a mile and a half of ice out of something when there's really top there's five top ways that an ice age is going to come. And I did some research on this one, and the first one is volcanic winter, we've been talking about you some, oh, yeah, a couple of other volcanoes taking off and doing something. You know, the sulfur dioxide reaches the atmosphere. The sun goes down, yeah. And it gets colder, it can drop significantly over the northern hemisphere. And you know that might last 10 years, okay, maybe how, how long did we feel the effects from st, Mount Helena, Mount St, Helens, yeah, Mount St, Helens. That was, like, it got cool for, what, two years. Yeah,
Jason 12:35
it was about Jesus. If I remember, the winters were pretty, got pretty little nippy, a
Stoney 12:39
little nippy, but man, we're pretty far away from it. And number two would be the amoc, which is the Atlantic meridian, overturning circulation. Oh, I've seen that. Yeah, okay, and that tips. That's a very fragile type thing. We're not. We're hubris enough to believe we can affect that we're not, but that's what really controls things in Europe, and, you know, the East Coast, to a certain aspect, and that could go up to about 30 years if something were to happen there. But where are you getting a mile and a half of water from an ice from in these things? You're not You're talking about some things coming down a nuclear winter. Well, good Lord, we, you know, no one's ever blown up a couple of atom bombs or hydrogen bombs and started that. So we don't know what that would happen, but a true Ice Age, which is what we've been talking about, the CO and the oxygen changing, which is with the CO, the it can't switch quickly. The orbital cycles operate on a millennia. It would take a long time for that one to start. You would see the ice coming down. And that's kind of why we put this one on a on the whiteboard because I saw an article which came up to be wrong. I saw something that said there was 615 gigatons of new ice on Antarctica. And that's not true. In 21 and 22 each year generated about 100 to 112 new Giga tons of ice, yeah. So it's not 615 but still, if you think about it, that's 250 roughly gigatons of new ice, and they're still haven't met. They're working on the measurements for the last two years, yeah, but still, that's a lot of ice. Where is that coming from?
Jason 14:44
Well, I mean, I mean, it's, they'll say, I mean, I I've always been taught, based on everything I've seen, that the glaciers, a lot of that ice was, was basically sucked up from the ocean water. Man. That's where you're going to get that the amount of water you're going to need to be able to build ice up to that, to those levels.
Stoney 15:07
Now there's not enough water. Think about this. Where'd the Grand Canyon come from? That's erosion. The Grand Canyon is at what elevation?
Jason 15:16
Well, depends on when the Grand Canyon was formed. I don't remember what the did. Geologists say
Stoney 15:22
exactly my point. So the water was there somehow, yeah, and drained over such a long time that it created the Grand Canyon that was not Paul Bunyan's ax. That was erosion, like 15,000 years on the sphinx of water erosion.
Jason 15:43
Well, they said that I was seeing here. They saying that now you get, you get, when you doing research for this topic, it's always the, you know, the the people that are claiming, you know, climate change and human driven, yeah, you know, they're saying that because of what we're doing, warming the earth, that we've delayed another ice age about 50,000 years. I don't know how true that is. I don't think they really know. I don't necessarily buy that. I said. I suspect that it's there's probably several factors that are kicking in when it comes to what causes an ice age. You know, you know, the earth, you know, I said the earth tilts right. It gets further away from the Sun at times. And when that time happens, it gets colder, it changes weather patterns, you know. And just things start happening. But I mean, you know, look that. I mean, the height of the last Ice Age was about 20,000 years ago, you know. And if you get into these arguments of whether it depends on if are you an old earth person or or a newer you know, or young earth you know, that depends on kind of your philosophy, on, I know people who subscribe to a young earth philosophy. And so a lot of the research that I've, I've, you know, uncovered, and just just kind of my everyday looking at YouTube videos when it comes to this topic, would not probably fly with them, because they don't believe the Earth is four and a half billion years old and and that, you know, just over time, just the cycle of of eons, yeah, things change, like the movement of the of the plates. You know, at one time, we believe that, you know that at one time, all the continents were together. It was a big thing called Pangea, right? We've all heard of that before. You know, most of this stuff you learn in high school science, it's, it's, none of this is, is, is, you know, I would call out there type, type stuff, but a lot of it is comes to that. But, I mean, it's to me, what I find interesting is the amount of animals that just completely disappeared from the fossil record at that time, all, all of a sudden, which I find interesting. Another topic that a lot of people talking about right now, with the warming people talking about everything's warming up, is the amount of water that's going into the oceans, messing with the Atlantic current. There's been some movies made over that, you know, if that would happen, the conveyor belt that keeps a mock, yeah, the warm the warm water going up would stop. It would plunge the earth again into another kind of a cold period. So, I mean, you know, it's, you know, as a lot of it is, you know, I don't know, a lot of our what our listeners subscribe to. I imagine some are young Earth. Some are old Earth. So it's, you know, it just depends on your on your deal, on you can your, your worldview. So, but, yeah, but 50, they say another ice age, about another 50,000 years. So I don't think we need to worry about it too much. I don't think any of us will be around, matter of fact, any fossil record of, oh yeah, being around won't
Jason 19:03
be here anyway in
Jason 19:05
50,000 years. But I have done quite a bit of of just watching YouTube videos on this topic. Oh yeah. But simply because of the the Graham Hancock stuff really got me into this last ice age. I've never really been that fascinated with the wooly mammoths until, you know, recently, they've talked about, hey, they're gonna try to bring back the wooly mammoth, you know, sort of like the Jurassic Park wolf back. Well, they haven't brought back the the Dire Wolf. Yeah, I think they say the closest ancestor of the of the wooly mammoth is the East Asian elephant. So those elephants that are like in India and stuff like that, that's the closest relative to the mammoth. So I mean, they have found perfectly preserved mammoths, which. Me, is fascinating that they have found carcasses with food still in the mouth, like they literally died right then, and there it was, like, Flash, freezing, Flash, yeah, they were gone. So I believe they probably could get DNA. And I think the question is, do you open that Pandora's box? Oh, yeah, you know, deep, you
Ian 20:25
know, I don't know if we're quite at a place where we can replicate it one to one is the big thing,
Jason 20:31
right, to truly bring back the original.
Ian 20:34
Because that was the whole, that was of animals, that was also the controversial thing with with the whole direwolf situation, it's like, like, they had taken, that was, like, a big publicity thing where, like, they took the closest DNA sample of one, and then they were able to, like, cross, bridge it into, like a, into something else, and, like, basically insert it into a, into a female wolf. And it's like, it's a whole bunch of stuff that went into it where, like, technically, they didn't resurrect the Dire Wolf. They made a modern day equivalent of it with some DNA. And it's like, okay, well, you're, I mean, you're trying to get publicity here, and I get it, but, you know,
Jason 21:13
well, I mean, I The question is, what happens if you do bring back these animals? You know, what do you do you do with them? I mean, yeah, the what the Dire Wolf was a wolf of a large size. I mean, it was twice the size of, yeah, what wolves are today? I mean, you could imagine packs of animals like that running around that could cause problem, because, oh, yeah, the prey that they used to prey on Exactly. We're also very big,
Ian 21:47
right? So I think that's, that's the with some of that stuff, I feel like it's not, it's important not to think about, can we bring back, bring back the extinct animals? It's like, like, I think we should be focusing more on, like, how you preserve, like, the current ecosystems that we do have, like, there are some, like, there's some animals that are going extinct in a way, and that I think are going to cause, like, a void in the ecosystem that, like, I think, like, for instance, I think they removed a lot of wolves from like, a certain part of the US
Jason 22:17
still, that's Still making but
Stoney 22:19
where they're introduced, the wolves. Everything's flourishing again.
Jason 22:24
I think once you leave nature to nature. Of course, nature flourishes like it always does before mankind interjected himself into the life cycle of nature. And
Ian 22:36
but sometimes we do intervene, though, and then, and then cause holes in,
Jason 22:40
oh, yeah, we do look at, just look at the buffalo did there. I mean, say
Ian 22:46
that something doesn't probably fill in the gap, but like, but there's certain things like that that could happen, that could cause some issues that I think that if we introduce something like that, where I think it could overturn what we currently have in place, and it could ruin an ecosystem.
Jason 22:59
So, yeah, I just I mean to me, the more fascinating part of this whole topic with the ice age is, to me, has always been sea levels. I believe ancient people lived close to water, which means they lived on these ancient coastlines. And it's interesting that they have, actually, a matter of fact, I read an article not too long ago where they A, and it was an archeologist, found some evidence of a human settlement out in the Gulf of Mexico, really, yeah, that's cool, yeah. You know, it's, uh, I should say, Gulf of America. Now, whatever, whatever your preference is, but they have found evidence of human habitation so far out in the Gulf, it's like, but if you go back in time, at one time that was land, yeah. I mean, that was a very what they call, if you look at old, ancient maps of what they kind of, what the kind of the Gulf region look like. Yeah, yeah. As I said, we said, most of Louisiana, I think, other than maybe some parts of North Louisiana, went under what they call shallow seas, very swampy. This was during would be the Ice Age. So, you know, it may be, you know, a mile or two of ice up in, you know, where Chicago is and all that. But South of that was a very, was very grassy and warm, right? And, you know, there's a lot of animals that that lived at that time
Stoney 24:40
and things were completely different. Then you know, there is old Native American saying, you know that only the white man finds the land, Indians running it. No taxes, no debt, plenty of Buffalo, plenty of Beaver, clean water. Women did all the work. Medicine Man. Free Indian man spending all day hunting and fishing all night having sex only the white man dumb enough to think he could approve on a system like that.
Ian 25:12
All right, that's think about it.
Jason 25:15
Well, you know, I'm just saying maybe I think the nature of hunter gatherer societies leads to certain social norms that kind of settle in over time the
Stoney 25:32
land and only used what they needed, so they didn't create this disparaging, you know, gap between the animals. They let nature run its course, and they had buffalo herds of millions of Buffalo and and had what they needed, everything that they needed. So, yeah,
Jason 25:56
well, I mean, they, they didn't, they didn't have the concept of property, private ownership. I mean, right, which was such a, was such a foreign concept when the white man arrived in North America and they first encountered these, these tribes of Indians, you know, this idea of, you know, not to say that, you know, you know, we like to kind of spin it where, like these, these Indian people were, like all they were enlightened, and they were gentle, and, you know, they were pretty vicious to
Stoney 26:31
some worse, yeah, weren't they were enlightened. They were they butchered each other too. A lot of their battles were just hitting each other in the chest with a hide covered stick. There was, there was a lot of things, and a lot of things a white man brought to them that enhance some of their negative right? But all in all, they lived in a very spiritual world. So, I mean, you know, that's a whole nother topic,
Jason 26:57
yeah? Like, I'm looking at some general Ice Age statistics here, it said, in the last 2.6 million years, Earth has experienced about 10 major ice age cycles, each lasting 80 to 100,000 years, separated by warmer interglacial periods. They say the length of an age an ice age cycle is about 100,000 years, or around 100,000 Oh, yeah, right, you know,
Ian 27:20
whatever. Like, it's nothing, yeah, like, it's not, like, more years than we could even comprehend.
Jason 27:25
They said during the last ice age, the global average temperatures were about six degrees to nine degrees Celsius colder than today. Okay, so whatever that equates to Fahrenheit, I
Ian 27:36
don't times two plus 30. So it was not five to 956, to nine, six to nine. So it would be 30 ish Tim,
Jason 27:47
that's quite extreme, yeah. I mean, on average, if you're 30 degrees colder, that's quite that's
Ian 27:53
anywhere between like 30 to probably 50, is what they were saying. Like that, that range of like, Yeah, could be
Jason 27:58
they said ice. They said the glaciers and the ice sheets covered 25 to 30% of the Earth's land surface. Today it's only 10% so that's just how much they've retreated in time they said in thickness. In North America, the most popular one is Lauren tight ice sheet, two to three miles thick. Scandinavia, Northern Europe, one to two miles thick. Yeah, I mentioned doggerland. That's an interesting. Watch some videos on doggerland. That's pretty interesting. The North Sea is a, you know, it's known as a very dangerous body of water for ships and stuff like that. But if you look in there, they'll have an aerial maps called the dog or banks. Okay, that was the last bit of land that sunk and gave way to the North Sea.
Ian 28:53
Interesting, so, but yeah,
Jason 28:57
they say CO two levels. They say atmospheric carbon dioxide was 180 parts per million compared to 420 parts per million today. Wow. And they say human population is they just, of course, these are estimates now that takes into account some of the other stuff that we've kind of mentioned with, you know, Graham Hancock and stuff, but suggest one to 5 million humans lived worldwide, okay, compared to 8 billion
Ian 29:29
today. Josh, yeah,
Stoney 29:31
well, it's funny. I was looking at something. I went kind of a rabbit hole on that one, how much of civilization would survive? Oh, my gosh, yeah. And the worst case would be nuclear winter, which would be an abrupt global cold and darkening for years, right? And it is predicted that 5 billion deaths would happen from famine. Oh, yeah, cold. Wow. Everything else in a nuclear winter and amoc collapse, the Atlantic Conveyor, yeah, they believe that the vast majority, up to 90 to 95% of the human civilization would survive, interesting, but there would be some really hardship areas. Yeah, people would be moving and going mass migration. Just mass migration.
Jason 30:23
I mean, because basically you would have to abandon all of the North everybody would have to move south of probably the United States. You would have to move probably almost into southern Missouri, into Arkansas, just to get away from the ice, just get it to a different type of climate. Then, of course, that pushes everybody further south, yep. So now you got people going closer to the equator.
Stoney 30:51
A volcanic winter, which would be about one to three years, roughly 99% of people would survive. But again, it pushes people out of certain zones and together, and a true ice age with current atmospheric CO you cannot just switch the switch. So it's not just going to happen overnight, and it could take up to a millennia to happen. So that delays glaciation Yeah, by any human standards. So that would, that would take 10 to 10,000 years of time. So that wouldn't affect human population very much at all, because we're probably have killed each other off by now, right? So, but hey, we're bringing back the mammoth, so maybe an ice age can take out the mammoths again. So I just thought it was interesting to see how many people might or might not survive an ice age.
Jason 31:52
Well, I don't think most of us would. As I said, it would be really a disaster. Because, I mean, you think about it, the entire modern infrastructure would collapse. Because if you return ice, the ice to the levels that it was, you know, 20,000 years ago. Then, you know, now the coastline, all ports are useless, because now the the coast, that's the middle of land now, right? So I mean, everything's land locked. So I mean, the whole thing would just collapse. As I said, I don't. I'm not these people that believe all humankind would die. So no, we find ways to somehow go. But I would think our modern society would collapse to a degree that would be unrecognizable today. So yeah, it's, yeah,
Ian 32:45
interesting. Well,
Jason 32:48
yeah, they said the next they say us a UCSB study. They say scientists match Earth's Ice Age cycles with Orbital shifts. This is a 2020 25 analysis suggested that the next, next Ice Age could arise in about 10,000 years. Wow, as I said, I Yeah, everybody is safe at one point, our our distant ancestors will have to deal with right? I would hope by that point, we've mastered interstellar travel, and we have, possibly have settled on other planets.
Stoney 33:26
Great Filter, yes, the great filter, yeah. That is interesting. That could be technically a great filter, couldn't it? Yeah,
Ian 33:37
depends on how, how actually advanced we are by then. Yeah, that's, that's a big situation where, again, hopefully that's something that we could overcome. But who's to say there's numerous things I think, in our in our modern future, that I think are going to be big filters for us, that may AI, I wouldn't think, I don't think AI is going to be a problem. I think it's gonna be a problem in other ways, but I don't think it's gonna be the one that's gonna be the thing that's gonna take us out. That's what a great filter is. It's like, it's the one thing that stops us from, like, being able to progress to that next step. And I don't think that AI is gonna be the thing that stops us. I think something like quantum computing could be something that is, like, going to revolutionize that and other things that like help make that happen. But I do think that a big thing is potential interstellar travel. Yeah,
Jason 34:32
I mean, I think it's it energy, as I'm saying. I think if somehow we can get past the this competition in you know, that exists with countries and resources and stuff like that. I mean, I think if the globe came together for whatever reason, if somehow circumstances would arrive that arise that you. We would all, as human beings, have to do something. I think we could work. We can do wonders. A really, really game. You put all our resources together for one common endeavor. Oh, yeah, with all the brain power that exists, everybody working toward the same goal, I think we could do I think we could do wonders. You really do.
Stoney 35:23
You know, we've been talking about the ice melting and the current of the A Makia changing. I got kind of curious, because all this is happening right now. It's happening now. This may take another 10 to 15,000 years for it to happen. But what month is this August? This is August. So that means June, July and August. We've been in hurricane season. Yep, yep. How many hurricanes have we had? How many storms have we had? How many tropical storms have we had? Oh, that's zero. Yeah. So around here, amoc is changing hurricane frequency and strength goes down, yep, because now it's not bringing the cold or what the warmer water back up, right? It's keeping it down toward the equator, so it's not allowing those storms to generate. Well, what if? What if we're being touched by it right now, wouldn't that? Yeah, I mean, think about it, we're three months into hurricane season. Yeah, I'd like to look back and see how many times we've been into hurricane season three months and hadn't had a name storm yet. Yeah,
Jason 36:38
I tell you what. From an insurance standpoint, I'm
Stoney 36:42
sure everybody's glad about Yeah, but have you noticed our insurance rates haven't gone down?
Jason 36:47
That's another issue. Maybe we'll have someone to talk about insurance
Ian 36:52
I know that back in like 2020, and 2021, there was a bunch of it was, it felt like every week there was a new name storm.
Jason 36:59
They got one out there in the Atlantic right now, that's kind of blew up pretty quick. I was a cat five. Was that? Aaron? I don't know that's out there right now. That's supposed to skirt up the East Coast. Interesting. Yeah. So, I mean, most from what I've read about hurricanes, it's hurricanes are nothing more than just heat dissipators. That's what they do. It's the Earth's way of moving heat from one area to another area. So, you know, as I said, everything in nature is there's a reason for it. It's not some just some random occurrence. I do believe that's just the way the Earth Kind of regulates itself. Yeah, you know, thank thank goodness that it has these Mecca because if it didn't, then certain areas, we just get hotter and hotter and hotter. In other areas, we do get colder and colder and colder. So, yeah, it's just unfortunate that sometimes we just, we're in the way. Yeah, when these things come ashore, oh yeah, you know. But I mean, if it just hit some random space out, nobody would care, knock down some trees or whatever. So
Ian 38:03
what is the if a hurricanes out and it doesn't make a sound or what,
Jason 38:07
right, like an old phrase? I mean, it's not if a hurricane is out
Ian 38:12
in the Gulf and it doesn't hit anybody's house that it actually exists, right?
Stoney 38:17
Can you imagine living in the 1900s and 1800s with no radars, with no war, and just all of a sudden,
Jason 38:26
yeah, well, that's why you see stories of, you know, 1500 people dying. Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean just, just one day, it's just yeah, the sky gets really dark and the wind starts picking up and, well, just tornadoes. Oh, yeah, yeah. People that were living in the, in the in the plains and dealt with these tornadoes that dropped out of the sky all the time. It's like, you know, one day you're just sitting in your hut or your
Ian 38:54
whatever, you're not, you're not. I
Jason 38:57
mean, yeah, you know, I'm just very curious how people navigated natural occurrences, you know, with no warning other than they probably, I would think maybe they've just, over time, learned to watch the animals. So watch animals to watch kind of, you know, certain things you know, kind of observing their environment, going, Yeah, something's something's about to happen. And our experience tells us this is about to happen.
Ian 39:25
So I think some of that, whatever, it's probably passed down as well. Of course, we're like, living memory, yeah, yeah. Is it like your grandparents and your parents would probably say, during the summer season, yeah, the the storms, they get cooked up and they get they get harsh in these times we gotta be, you know, whatever. So who knows? Like, that's the kind of thing too. Like you said, passing down of traditions and, you know, well,
Jason 39:48
it seems like our human ancestors, like mammoth, because that seems to be the primary meat source that we oh, yeah, there's
Ian 39:55
a lot of it to go around. Probably,
Jason 39:57
well, I'm sure it fed. And probably an entire, entire. Like tribe, yeah, probably use the pelt. Probably use everything to kind of, see here they found a 75 75,000 year old animal remains in Norway. Wow,
Ian 40:14
that's crazy. Yeah,
Jason 40:18
you know, I, that's what I'm saying. It's you. That's why I don't believe in the young earth, you know. Yeah, I believe third Earth has been here a long time, and we've just, we've just, there's been a lot of things have happened, yeah, on this planet that, you know, I've often wondered, why does you know, places like Louisiana and Texas and some of the Gulf of May are so rich in oil because that's just one time there was shallow sea, yeah. And there's a lot of animals that died, right, and sank, sank to the bottom, or they weren't washed out there. When the, when the, I would say, when the, when the the comets Hit, hit the ice sheet, and all that melting started happening, all that water came rushing down and see how that a lot of they get wiped out in
Stoney 41:08
just over 100 years of recording. This has never happened before. What's up? No. Name storms of the first three months, really?
Jason 41:16
Yes, that's incredible, which I'm, look, I'm nature is nature is giving throwing us a bone here?
Ian 41:24
Yes, absolutely. But is that like a red herring, though? It's like far worse, right? That's what my
Jason 41:30
mind we need about five years of no storms at all just to let kind of calm down with the insurance market and just the amount of claims. But the problem is, I mean, it doesn't stop disasters from happening elsewhere. I mean earthquakes still happen. I mean wildfires, oh yeah. I mean, we hear about it all the time.
Stoney 41:58
No. Aas, climatology notes that the first name storm typically forms in mid June, okay?
Ian 42:07
And we haven't had one three
Stoney 42:08
months into this. Now, you got the one over there, like you said, it's come, but I mean, still it's impressive. Yeah, it's impressive. Numbers.
Ian 42:18
That's crazy.
Stoney 42:19
AC just coming.
Ian 42:22
Well, like I said before, I hope that's not some sort of indicator of something else where, yes, it's nice now, but does that mean that something, some sort of crazy climate shift is going to happen?
Stoney 42:35
So I did something kind of crazy. We are a generational show, so I went down kind of a rabbit hole, and I said generationally, what would the strengths of each generation be if it started tomorrow? Okay, I got boomers would organize neighborhood winterization and wellness checks, tool libraries and sit on utility and city calls. Gen X would lead the operations back up, heat installs, calm trees, supply runs, school and work pivots. Millennials would be mutual aid, logistics, child care, swaps, indoor AG, buildings, insulation, block parties. Gen Z would be sensors, you know, pipe and leaking, temperature mapping, open stores, warming centers and rideshare and storms and Yeah, well, Gen alpha, Gen alpha will just be relying on the older people, yeah, so that's
Ian 43:41
interesting, but
Stoney 43:42
they're, they were, they're showing that they could handle some of the daily tasks a little bit better than the other generations, like Gen Z, yeah.
Ian 43:53
I'm curious also, where, like, how some of like, the technology space would shift in that kind of moment as well.
Stoney 44:00
Cell phones would probably go down pretty quick, because the towers would tank. Yeah,
Ian 44:04
I just feel like that's one of those things where, like, what would, what would shift in society if, like, people lost their phones? I think, I think we would have, I think you would see a major shift in, like, the young people otherwise, but that's why you have to rely on the older you're right, right? But I'm not talking about just like, like, gin alpha, I'm talking about, like, millennia, like Millennials down, probably would have, like, some major like, withdrawals and, like, have a hard time focusing on like, because I like, because I think of of the algorithms and all the stuff that's going on in their head and it's being fed to them, and how they can't focus on, they can't, not be entertained for, you know, More than a few minutes, and that's more money, they
Stoney 44:43
would be worried about being entertained, and the older people or be worried about go or go stay triggers, you know I'm talking
Ian 44:48
about, I'm not talking about, I'm like, worrying about it. I'm trying to, like, have, like, physical withdrawals or like that. Like they would have, like, what I'm saying is, like, they might not worry about it so much, but I think it would show in like. They can't function, they can't do this task. They can't without having like, a mental breakdown. And then it's going to show like, Oh my goodness. Because I think whatever I've seen that in my modern life right now, of having, like, super young covid, super well, a little bit, but I'm talking a little bit even, even five years removed from that, in the modern age, having young people not be on their phones for more than a few minutes thinking about workspace,
Stoney 45:23
you're right. Think about the flood of 16. Yeah, when ATT shut off their towers to protect them. Yeah, and how many people committed suicide in those first three days? That was absolutely insane. Interesting, because it's, it's right along with
Ian 45:39
what you're saying, I'm saying again, that's all still, like, that's all still David stuff I'm talking about in the in the past, like, three or four years. How much are you right? That is the foundation of what I'm talking about right here. We're, like, there is something happening in modern society right now that we're that we're not talking about that there are people, there are young people going into the workforce that can't be without their phone, that like that, have to be told to do, like, like, I need you to do this task. And they'll just, like, look at you, like, you're dumb. And it's like, come on, like, are you here with me? Like, what's going on here? And I was like, like, there's a large wave of like, of young people nowadays, like, I feel like in a moment like that, where it's like, it would really it would rock their world. Well, think
Stoney 46:23
about this. This is going to be the first group of doctors that are cheating passing their test with AI. If there wasn't a time to start eating healthy, it's right now, because these doctors, we did an episode A while back on the Harvard study on they can't remember anything that they did. Remember the tests that Harvard did. We talked about that. I agree with you 100% that's that's something, this the electronic addiction.
Ian 46:50
Yeah, I think, I think we agree on the same thing, but I think we're saying different stuff. But I get, I get what you're talking about, though. But I'm not talking about the dependence and all. Like, I'm just, I'm talking about, like, functioning as a human being and socially, that there's something that has lost over the past couple of years that I don't think that we're talking about, that I've noticed in my own personal life, of young people coming into like modern people having no social skills like it, and it's like It's hard to comprehend that, like, what their life would look at like if they just didn't have a phone. All of a sudden, it is so ingrained in their their personality and who they are as a person that it's like, oh, man, you are. There's a real dependence here as, like a young person that, like, you know, I felt like I had, like, a little bit of a problem, you know, looking at my phone or being distracted, but, man, you're in a different space than even I am. It's, it's hard to look at because I'm like, oh, man, that's unfortunate.
Jason 47:51
Got some additional stuff here regarding what the North American coastline looked like during the last ice age. Yeah, anything off the east coast was probably the shoreline was 50 to 100
Ian 48:02
miles out. I wonder what the Gulf would look like. Well,
Jason 48:06
they said, they say Florida was two times the size it is. Now, that's crazy, stuck more much further into the Gulf of Mexico. I
Stoney 48:16
think it was connected to Cuba too, wasn't it? It
Jason 48:19
doesn't say, like a rock. They said the Mississippi River Delta reach much deeper into the Gulf than it does,
Stoney 48:28
than it does. Basin was basically the whole river. Oh, wow.
Jason 48:33
They say California's coastline was pushed westward, exposing much of today's continental shelf. The Chanel islands off California were connected forming a single, larger land mass called Santa Rosa. Also a matter of fact, they think that's an Easter Island where the kind of the weird statues are. They said that was at one time that would make sense, that that was probably one time connected interesting that way. That's why it seems so remote now, because it's literally, it's a dot out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, but at one time that was land. So I found that was that's pretty interesting. They say Alaska's coastline was also further out. Large areas of the Bering Sea were dry land. And of course, we all heard about the land bridge connecting Alaska to Siberia, which is where they say a lot of human migration occurred. So that kind of goes into what I mentioned about the Gulf, and then that archeologist finding evidence of human civilization, yeah, basically hot in the middle of the Gulf, yeah, you know, which tells me that, you know, it's probably one time that was where ancient people I resided, right, you know, and then it just they flooded away. And
Ian 49:56
I'm looking at Google, Google Earth, and it actually does show. Me, like, the, yeah, yeah. You can look at that and say that was the ancient coastline. That's, that's a lot of land, that's a lot of land, that's a lot of land there even, like, the, even at like, the tail end of Mexico, it like branches up north, a whole bunch too, where it's, like, you can see
Jason 50:15
and all that would have any evidence of human beings, they would be gone. It'd be completely wiped out. You've never, you would never know, because they had a whole lot of ocean archeology going on just because of the cost and but I guarantee you that that's just where people live. Was, like, he lives on the water,
Ian 50:35
like, it's like, you said there's a lot of oil production in the Gulf, that's like a big
Jason 50:42
thing, a lot of oil, if you if they allow to drill off California and some other areas, I guarantee there's a lot of oil there too. You know, anywhere where sea life over millions of years have, you know, floated to the bottom, I mean, sunk to the bottom after they've died? And, yeah, you know. And then in, God knows, other things from the, you know, from the flood and stuff like that. A matter of fact, some of these things like I mentioned, regarding, you know, the rising sea levels once the glacier started basically melting again, yeah, and sea level started rising. Some people say that was the historical memory of the Great Flood, and introducing that's, there's a lot of there's a lot of research now pointing to the to that point that which, if people were living in these land areas that are now covered in water, yeah, I could see where the idea that all of a sudden the ocean is just rushing up on us, oh, yeah, and how the idea of a living memory of a great flood that in got that engulfed the world, yeah, how different cultures would interpret that and pass that story down on in the form of myth and legend, and, you know, in times past, it was this great deluge that occurred and how all that happened. So it's pretty interesting stuff. I've always been quite fascinated with the of just kind of seeing how all that kind of played out over time. Yeah, but yeah. And of course, all those animals that died, I mean, 75% people don't think 75% of all mammals were wiped out. That's a lot. That's a lot of species of animals that just disappear, and they don't really know why they disappeared. It's funny, you know that they, they can't seem to find a reason why. All of a sudden, all the mammoths died, all the saber toothed cats, all the short faced bears, yeah.
Stoney 52:53
Well, the bigger animals died, the smaller animals still
Jason 52:58
live, the giant sloth, yeah, all the big, massive creatures that they say that actually the worst animal that our ancient ancestors would have dealt with would have been the short faced bear. Can you imagine a bear that's twice the size of a full grown grizzly today? No, dude. I mean, we're talking a bear that stand on their hind legs. I believe they got like bones, like 1213,
Stoney 53:20
feet. Yet today there's still soccer moms in America that would go look at the little puppy. I'm bringing it home. The little fact that, like
Ian 53:29
you would see a bear that's the size of an elephant, that's you have a small
Jason 53:35
Imagine having to deal with that with something using spears. Yeah, that's what you had terrifying, I would venture to say, probably our, our ancient ancestors, probably they, we came out on the short end a lot of times when it we dealt with nature. I imagine we were on the menu. Oh, definitely we were on the menu.
Ian 54:05
I'm pretty sure you would learn where they where they migrated, and you would stay away from those kind of people.
Jason 54:12
Yeah, I mean, I mean they, as I said, they did hunt. They did hunt, but I don't, I don't believe the story, like someone I was reading, some of the scientists believe the bully man. But the reason it went extinct because they were over hunted. I said, no people back then, they'd over hunt, because otherwise they would run out of food. It wouldn't operate that way. And they ate what they needed, and they moved on. You know, I'm sure they kind of followed migration patterns and weather. I paid a part in that. But, you know, a lot of humans disappeared, too. At the end of 11,500 years ago or so, I wonder what killed them all? Yeah, that kind of brings up all kinds of stories of what could have happened. I. I kind of subscribed that probably got wiped out in this flood event, whatever happened, whatever geological event occurred on this planet that caused the oceans to swallow up the land and change the face of the planet. And so yeah, but yeah, but yeah, the the Ice Age is a is a fascinating period of time that I find. I actually find it more interesting than I do, like going back into the earlier, you know, the earlier periods. I forget the name, what they Cenozoic, or how, yeah, all that is described and,
Stoney 55:46
well, there's ice ages in those periods too, because we just haven't had one ice change, right? They happen on a regular cycle. Yeah.
Jason 55:53
So every word they said Was it, was it? I mentioned 100 every 1000 years. 100 250,000, years. So yeah, but yeah, it's a, it really is a something that I don't think that we're gonna change. I don't believe this idea that we've we're gonna delay about 50,000 years. I think that's all that's that's kind of like taking a stab in the dark. I don't know, how do you even come up with that kind of of answer. I'm sure there's some scientific method they're using to determine that, but I don't know to me that just don't sound right. I don't write just some part of me is just, you know, there's some things that I may found a little crazy, but yeah, okay. I think the science is sound and I'll kind of like, Okay, I'll go with that. Yeah, that sounds reasonable. Some of that stuff, I don't know you're making a we're gonna delay the next Ice Age by possibly 50,000 years. I had, yeah, yeah, that to me, that seems a little weak. But, you know, I don't
Ian 56:59
know, yeah, maybe there's some sort of calculation somewhere where they can project,
Jason 57:02
well, I'm sure, if there was some scientists out there that studies climate, I'm sure they probably come on the show and probably provide a litany of studies that they've done and looking at ice core samples and atmospheric readings and everything else, and probably tell you, Yes, you know there's this and that, and this is the how we come to this conclusion. So maybe there's some truth to it. It's just kind of that part of me that just kind of like, and I'm pretty open to a lot of things. I never closed myself off to, really anything. I'm willing to kind of live with intention, with with certain things, but some things, I just kind of go. I think that's that's a bit of a stretch.
Ian 57:50
So yeah, that's interesting. Well, that's fun. Yeah, I wonder why, like, I said before, I wonder how this is all gonna how, maybe not an ice age, but again, now we've been talking about this. I've been thinking about it and trying to think about it in my head. Like, I wonder, like, if, if another kind of natural disaster was to happen, like, how would we respond? And that's the thing that kind of is making me know that
Jason 58:22
might be a good podcast. How would you respond in a global, yeah, disaster,
Ian 58:28
especially because, like you said, if we don't have any hurricanes on the horizon, and then, of course, if things happen, you know, if something even crazier happens, like, what would that look like? Where I want a different because I feel like the world is even a different place from 2020 like, where is it's a totally different space. I
Stoney 58:46
think it's funny you said response because I got a text from a listener today. Oh, gosh, okay, and it said, Good afternoon, my brother and friend. What do you do when your luggage is left at a different airport, and how do you respond when it's at a different one that you arrived at that would be like, I think it's funny. How do you respond? Yes, how are we going to respond? Maybe that's an episode. How do you respond to different situations. So if y'all have any ideas that you want to know how we would respond to send them in to us that we've got a
Ian 59:23
retrospect pod. Retrospect, that's where you can find. Or again, the email is, get offended together. Get offended together. Gmail.com, comment the
Stoney 59:33
retrospect podcast.com. Website, yeah, and that is interesting, yeah. Just how do you respond to stuff?
Ian 59:41
Because I do think that that is a I do think that you can get I think that people respond poorly more often, not they respond out of anger. And that's a lot of times. I just, I recently, a few months back, re read the book How to Win Friends and Influence People. It's been a long time since I've read it, and there's a lot of information that is kind of dated, and some of it doesn't translate. Late very well in the modern age, but I have read it. I have read it. And one thing that they touch on is like, how to respond those moments of like, you can get really angry and start to get riled up, but more often than not, if you just come at it with a nice response, and you try and be understanding, like, a lot of times you get
Stoney 1:00:16
there, more than can we add that to the whiteboard? I can't reach it from here. So, so what's the topic about how do you respond to different stimuli? How do you
Ian 1:00:25
respond for the difference in your situation? Cool stuff. Well, like we said earlier, if you want to try and comment or reach out to us, you know where to find us. You can look up retrospect. And all the major podcasting platforms, and a lot of those have ways that you can rate, subscribe, follow, however they have your platform calls it and until next week, thank you so much for listening. Bye, bye, goodbye everyone, and God bless.
Stoney 1:00:47
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