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Charlie Kirk: Rest In Peace | Retrospect Ep.205
In this week’s episode we discussed the events that transpired at Utah Valley University that led to the murder of Charlie Kirk. A single gunshot silenced one of America’s most outspoken conservative voices, the country is forced to reckon with more than just its politics. What does this mean for the future of our country? How did we get here? And where do we go from here?
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Charlie Kirk, political violence, ideological fractures, American rallies, political extremism, national climate, gunfire, dialogue vs destruction, higher education, leftist ideology, mental illness, social media influence, constitutional republic, moral relativism, generational shift.
Ian 0:00
Steve, hello, everyone. I wanted to come on the beginning of this episode and just say that we had a different episode scheduled for this morning. But as you can see from the title of this episode, we will be talking about the events that transpired this past week, and we felt that it was important that we all speak on this, I wanted to give everyone a fair warning that we will be talking about the events that transpired with Charlie Kirk. We don't get into too explicit or too graphic detail, but I just wanted to give a warning that this episode, I think, can be very emotional and very heavy for a lot of people, because I know it is for all of us here individually. Thank you all so much for your support and your listenership of this show from each of us here at retrospect, we love and appreciate each and every one of you. Thank you so much. Stay blessed, my friends.
Jason 0:57
The shot rang out in the middle of a rally, a place meant for speeches, not sirens. In an instant, air split with panic, bodies pressed together in fear, and the name Charlie Kirk became more than a headline, it became a symbol of how deep America's fractures now run, political violence is no longer an abstraction. It's here, unfolding in front of us one stage at a time. Some call it political extremism. Others call it the inevitable boiling point of a nation, pull taught by ideology, anger and mistrust today, we peel back the layers of this moment. Who was the shooter? What drove them was this, the act of a lone individual or the product of a climate that is slowly teaching Americans to see each other, not as neighbors, but as enemies. And perhaps the most chilling question of all, how many more rallies, marches or town halls must erupt in gunfire before we confront the cost of this trajectory. This is not just about one man, one movement or one bullet. It's about the state of a nation teetering between dialog and destruction. Welcome
Ian 2:42
to the record. Podcast, a show where people come together from different walks of life and discuss a topic from the generations perspective. My name is Ian, and as always, I'm joined by Jason.
Jason 2:50
Hello, everyone.
Jason 2:50
and Stoney.
Stoney 2:51
Hello.
Ian 2:52
I believe you have something you wanted to
Stoney 2:53
the views expressed here are our own. We speak candidly about a number of political issues, but we do not intend to insult, dehumanize or provoke hostility toward anyone. We reject political violence. Content reflects information available as of September 14, 2025 and we will correct any errors as promptly as possible.
Ian 3:24
Oh, man, this has been a rough week.
Jason 3:26
I'm gonna tell you. I for i don't think I've ever experienced an event for someone I did not know that has bothered me as much as this, right? I have no idea why this has hit me the way it did. I saw the video,
Ian 3:52
and me too. Unfortunately, yeah, I,
Jason 3:57
I don't this is a I'm still trying to find words. I'm still my emotions go from crying literally at times, to anger, right? And I don't know where, where all this is coming from. As I said, it's, it's,
Stoney 4:18
I've had a number of people reach out to me, and I basically heard a number of people say, I've never felt like this when someone has died that I didn't personally know. And so what I did was I kind of started doing some research and some own thoughts of my own on why this, and if y'all will indulge me, I kind of have maybe a top five or 10 Reasons, and y'all can stop me whenever you want, but for the first one, the good versus evil spiritual war just undeniably spilled over into real life. This isn't a theory. This is high stakes reality, and a lot of people are reacting to that. That they are realizing that a Christian was just killed on American soil for his belief, for his Christianity, and a lot of people are reacting to that, for opening up a peaceful forum, yes, giving people that normally would not have a forum or a voice come talk, discuss it in a peaceful way. Yeah, he was also killed for beliefs that every Bible, loving Christian, holds, it could have been any of us. Could have been any of us, and a deeper level that he was uniquely gifted and anointed. This man, you know, I saw a video of him, and they asked him a couple of weeks ago, if you die, what do you want to be remembered for? Yeah, seen that video as well, and it was basically my courage through Christ.
Jason 5:56
Yeah, Charlie. I follow a lot of Charlie Kirk, just watching his his, you know, events at college universities and colleges and universities and such. Because I believe the source of a lot of America's problems right now, unfortunately are coming from these places. And I hate to say that, and I'm not one to sit here and bash higher education from someone that I am has a an advanced degree, right? I am. I'll go to toe with anybody you know. I think the original mission of higher ed has been hijacked, and unfortunately, it is being taken over by a lot of professors that hate this country. They hate America. And a
Stoney 6:55
lot of these professors are not even US citizens. We go to other countries and import these professors. So what ideology are they giving our young people today?
Jason 7:05
I mean, your families are sending their kids to these to these universities, and it happens all the time. You hear about it that it's all in the news, and families talk about my son or my daughter came back completely warped, and unlike how they were raised, and it's like wood has taken hold of their mind. It's like some brain implant got shoved in their ear or something. And it's
Stoney 7:32
like, I have a friend of mine that said the very same thing. He sent his daughter off to college and she came back. She was just lip tart, completely and it's just she was raised conservative. This murderer was raised in a law enforcement family, yep, a conservative Christian family, and he went to college for less than a year, yeah, and turned into this, yeah, he less than a year.
Jason 7:59
Yeah, I believe he had dropped out, maybe after a semester or two, got involved in some discord. Yeah, you know, matter of fact, some of the stuff they have come up, if they've pulled off his discord, yeah. And for people who don't know what Discord is, it's basically like a chat room for all intents and purposes. He was an avid gamer, and just for whatever reason, somehow got influenced by a certain crowd of people. And, yeah, he, he kind of went off the deep end. I mean, it's just, and it's just, I'm telling you, it's just trans stuff that is going on that is just, I do not understand this idea that men can be women and women can be men. How did we get so far off the reservation that this there is a violent sub culture within this group that are willing to do whatever and protect this thing they've got, and I and people are just standing around like it's and they don't say anything. It's like they're afraid to say anything to anybody. It's like we've we're given carte blanche go ahead and be a mentally ill person, and you're just as right to be mentally ill as you know. I mean, it's just kind of this, I don't know.
Stoney 9:30
Here's the bottom line to that one. And this is a generational show, and I can actually break that down for you. And it started Jason, with your generation, the generation that tolerates sin, the next generation celebrates that sin, and the next generation doesn't even know it's sin. And that's where we're at. Who are back into that strong, hard times, strong men, strong men. Easy times, easy times weak men. We're in the weak men. Air. This is a air. These people don't. Even realize that they are committing sin. They don't realize that it's mental illness and and this is what's happening, because we don't discipline people. We don't tell people that they're wrong, because we're scared of being brand Nazi. We're afraid of being branded a transphobic person. I don't care.
Jason 10:22
Well, unfortunately, there are a lot of people that do came Yes, and that's the problem. And no one wants to be late.
Ian 10:30
I think the thing was, is that I think it's one thing to it's one thing to have these scenarios where you feel like we're in this different age where we try to be more forward thinking and trying to be more, you know, younger generations try to be more open to different lifestyles and different belief systems, all that stuff. And it's one thing to kind of keep perpetuating that stuff and keep perpetuating certain ideologies, like we keep talking about, but then it's a different thing when it starts to become when it starts to become violence in this degree. And I think this is where I I've noticed in the past few days, people chiming up and and saying some things that formally, I don't think I would ever hear them say that? And I think we're it's sad to say that like I think I know that what has taken place with this, this assassination, is a turning point for a lot of people, for a lot of individuals, not only just in maybe more conservative leaning, but also in, like, the middle or even left leaning. I have a lot of friends of mine, artists, musicians that like I appreciate their art, and I appreciate their outlook on even though we're different people, even though we have different political beliefs, I can still appreciate them as a human being, and I'm still open to have open communication and all that kind of stuff. And they're coming out right now and saying some things that I'm like, Wow, maybe we're not so different after all. Because I think that they they're realizing that, like, there is a little bit of, like tolerance, I think that even they have had that is, like, we've gone too far. This is not what I'm this is not what I saw.
Jason 12:18
Look, look, I'm going to go back to the election of Barack Obama and in his comments about transforming the United States, we started having these issues at that time. We just this was not even a thought. Before that, it started. I hate to say it and it, we've, we've, and this is gonna, this might ruffle some feathers, but when it started off with the legalization of same sex relationships, it has now gone into the natural progression is to say, Well, if that's okay, then this is okay. And it's sort of like the the frog in the in the bull in the water. It's slightly it's warming up, and before he knows that, he'll know he's being bored alive. And that's exactly where we're at because we have allowed this slippery slope of relativism, of not basically having an objective, right or wrong. Our language has been captured. Words don't even mean what words used to mean anymore, right? This is where this gets started. It is we have kind of gone down this pit and we are here. I mean, we are here now, and you've got kids now wanting to transition when they're in there, in, you know, kids. And I'm like, How are you even thinking about this? I mean, I'm thinking about when I was that
Stoney 13:54
age, because at that point, the kid is not mentally ill,
Ian 13:57
the mother is well. But I think it's also okay, because if
Stoney 14:01
you want to transition at 18, you're mentally ill. If a child wants to transition at eight, the mother's mentally ill, something is going on there,
Ian 14:10
potentially. But it's also, it's the society we live in, around two thing, if there's a kids will go into public schools now. And of course, that is, like, a big thing of like, oh, you may be a little bit different. Oh, then you're this, you're that, you're getting labeled this, and it's like, well, you know,
Jason 14:24
yeah, I mean, I'm looking at, right now, at a survey this, this Rutgers survey, which is really, kind of been really looked at. A lot of people are kind of pulling numbers out of that, right? But it's called the assassination culture, how burning Teslas and killing billionaires became a an esthetic for political violence. And this is a survey sampled 1264 US adults. Some of the key findings include says 38% said it would be at least somewhat justify to murder. Donald Trump, among responses. Respondents who self identify of left of center leftists, 55% said murdering Trump would at least somewhat be justified. That's a lot, that's a lot, that's a lot of people. You extrapolate that over the population? Yeah, you have a lot of people that are in
Stoney 15:18
their mind. What campus did they take that at that. They took that on a campus. Okay? That's not real Americans. That's not going on the street somewhere. I'm taking a real thing.
Jason 15:28
That's, I don't think they took this from a, from a, from a kid. This is just a a survey of US adults.
Stoney 15:34
That's where most of the surveys happen, is on campuses, because real working Americans aren't going to stop to take that kind of a survey, because they're working
Jason 15:43
and it says For Elon Musk, among left of center respondents, about 48% said murdering him would be at least somewhat justified. That's just horrible. Also reported 39.8% of all respondents said it is at least somewhat acceptable to destroy a Tesla dealership in protest. So that's what I'm saying, if, if people's minds, if people's minds, have gotten to a point where they have conditioned themselves, that that is a possibility, and it's not far
Stoney 16:19
fetched, but we're back to the same thing. I just said. We've already celebrated the sin now we don't even realize it's a sin. It's okay to murder people, it's okay to destroy things. It's okay to go around and riot and destroy cities and cause billions of dollars in damage, because it's justified
Ian 16:36
in in certain groups. I think you're right. I don't think that's I don't think that's blanketed. I think
Stoney 16:41
every American feels. And I'm just saying that the left ideology,
Ian 16:45
that's what I'm trying to say. As I think that there has been a again, ever since potentially Barack Obama, or even a little bit after that, with
Jason 16:54
everything right. Whenever
Stoney 16:57
the first started in the 60s, he just took it to a whole nother level.
Ian 17:01
Hold on. What I'm trying to say is, is I'm talking about what we're dealing with right now. What has just transpired, I think has, has really, I started, I think started to come to a peak around that time between, like, the first election of Donald Trump, yeah, no doubt, of like the left now, I think, has been had the flames have been stoked over the past handful of years. In my lifetime, I feel like where I have now seen it go from like this, this thing, these different sides where, like, now we've been so polarized, and now one side, the left side, is definitely in willing to kill yes and like, like to a crazy, not even like, yes, willing to kill, but like, in their mind, you have to, just for a second, try to put yourself in their shoes where, like their almost their entire adult life, they have this mental Picture that anybody like us is a Nazi in their in their mind, fascist, a fascist. That's what they believe, because that is what they've been inundated with. And then on top of that, add mental health issues that are that there are not that are being like, perpetuated by their all their society, their their groups, their whatever, like, you know, perpetuating that kind of stuff. And now you get to this thing where, like, I can, I can very easily see someone going from a living in a conservative household, being raised in a Christian environment, to going to a college campus, and then, of course, being and just jumping head first into this kind of stuff. And then, and then seeing a person like Charlie Kirk, you know, as this monster that has been, that has been built up in their mind, that is not, none of it's true, but leading to to think that killing this person is going to be the right
Jason 18:53
answer. I mean, all the guy did was, what as America, as he was, as Americans, you get, it's debate, yeah, I mean, I would venture to say Charlie Kirk was really, I would say, kind of a modern day Socrates. He really was. He was a very, very sharp, yeah, very well read. And the idea of going into venues that he knew would be hostile to his message, that, to me, is what made him
Ian 19:23
different. And he even, he even said it in some of his talks. He was, like, the whole reason why I'm doing this is because these, this is the future, right? These are future voters. These are future Americans. These are, this is like, I'm doing this because we're pretending like you guys don't like you guys aren't like
Stoney 19:37
the but he goes even further. You said, Who'd you say? I'm sorry, Socrates. Socrates go further than that. He was more like an Abraham from the early Bible. Abraham went into lands that he didn't belong. What was he in a tent, and he brought people to a conversation. I think he's more like Abraham. I'm not going to say he's not like. Socrates, but he had dialog and conversations with people in a tent that he didn't even belong there. And it's amazing that that he did this, they say, Oh, he was full of hate speech. No, he wasn't. He was full of speech. You hate it because it didn't fit your ideology. That's what the problem is.
Jason 20:23
Yeah, he I think he was very effective, and he was beginning to change a lot. He gave a voice to those students at those campuses that felt like they had to be quiet, that they couldn't voice their opinions, that they were supposed to shut up and stay in the corner. And he gave voice to them, and you could tell, just look at the amount of people was at Utah Valley State that day. It was huge. You know, I saw some videos of him when he was still in the car. He was driving to the event. And I'm just shaking my hand. I'm like, how Little did you know this was going to be his last, his last, last stop. I mean,
Stoney 21:05
you were going to these events, and you were coming in, not really the ticket areas, but the entrance areas. Yeah, if you said, I want to debate him, because I don't believe what he says, you went to the head of the line. How about that. If that was from him, he he wanted that, he dictated that. Get him in here. Let's talk
Jason 21:27
to him. Yes, I'm saying that he was different. He truly was different more than any other, I would say, Republican willing to go and put himself on the line like that. Engage the culture. Engage. I want to look at you eye to eye. I want to talk. Try to change my mind. Am I missing something? What do you Woody? Is there some secret thing that I don't know? Talk to me, because what did he said? When people stop talking, that's when violence happens. And in this case, guess what? Violence happened? Because this person chose to do violence instead of actually trying to engage in conversation because they know they don't have a leg to stand on. I mean, I hate to say none
Ian 22:10
of that again, you don't like to stand about that. Think about that person being mentally unwell and then also being, you know, fed this ideology after potential years or whatever of this kind of, you know, it's one thing to like, engage with someone and realize like, Oh, you're actually, you're not actually a monster. If I sat here and talked with somebody that were so different, I could see that we're not really all that different. But the second I cut off communication from you, and I paint this picture of this awful fascist, Nazi, mean bigot in my mind, and I just keep pretending that that's who you are,
Jason 22:44
right? Then I got to go do something about you. And it's like, I know, yeah, and this is where I think social media has become a virus with this stuff. Yes, I blame the media that you know I could see now. They're kind of craw fishing now, yeah, I've been watching a lot of videos and and conservative commentators are on these shows saying, y'all have pushed this. Yes, y'all have encouraged that ever since Donald Trump came on the scene, that he's a Nazi, he's a threat to democracy. Ain't none of that. Yep, Donald Trump, for all intents and purposes, is like a Bill Clinton. He really is politically, ain't much different at all. But because the media has driven a narrative out there that these institutions are captured by these leftist ideologues, and they have taken this and they have just completely destroyed any potential for civil
Stoney 23:41
debate? Well, here's the thing, when you tear out a man's tongue, you don't prove him to be a liar. You just basically, you're telling the world that you fear what he might say. And that's exactly what they've done. They can't handle what was that movie? You can't handle the truth. Well, the left can't handle the truth. They can't handle the truth because they live in mental illness, they live in delusion, and they live in these lies that they tell themselves every day. Yeah? So they don't want the truth. They don't want anything to do with the truth.
Ian 24:15
Yeah, I think it's also crazy, like the day after the whole event transpired, seeing all the different, left leaning liberal politicians, all like Barack Obama, Joe Biden, all these different like, saying all these things about how, like, political violence is never the answer. And like saying all these things on like x or about or on blue sky or whatever it was like, like they're they're sending out, like, all the every each one of them were saying something about how, like, this is a heinous act, and all this stuff. And I was like, Where were you a couple weeks ago?
Stoney 24:47
Very same people that said it was okay to take
Jason 24:50
out Donald Trump. Tell you what it is. It's their lie. Amount of, amount of people, though, I've seen a lot of people celebrating this, which. Just absolutely breaks my heart that anybody can't that somehow we've lost our humanity. Yeah, when you can't look at that man now had two small children, his wife is going to have to raise those kids. Those kids are never really going to know their father, right? How anybody could be joyful and gleeful that this somehow, that this was some sort of good thing. Yeah, I don't know what world you live on. I really don't know what happened to you. I'd say it. I had a somebody I commented on, on, on, I believe it was Facebook, and he made a post. And this is a was a one of my friends. I hadn't seen him in a while, but, you know, he's very, I could tell, very left wing now in politics, I don't remember him that way back when I really knew him. Well, um, but you know, I told him, I said, you know you're celebrating evil, yeah, I say, you're celebrating evil. I said, you've somehow. I said, I don't know what happened in your life that you're so angry, yeah, all the time.
Stoney 26:07
You know. You know what's funniest. That's number five on my list here of stuff that I was sharing with y'all, evil doers are delighted in evil progressive leftist and their demons are celebrating this is offensive and wicked. Yeah, it's, that was number five on my list. I'm glad you said that, because we kind of got off my list here. But you're, you're, you're completing the list.
Ian 26:29
I talked to some, I talked to somebody face to face that had these kind of these beliefs about, you know, celebrating his death in a way. And I was like, I I know this person personally, and I don't think that they would want, I don't think they would wish me any harm. And I and I talked to them and I they agree. They they don't want to kill me. They don't think that I'm a bad person. And I was like, I want you to really look at me in my eyes. I was the same age as him. Yeah, I have, I have very similar beliefs that he does. I have very similar political beliefs I have. I 100% I'm a Christian through and through. The only thing that was different between he and I was that he had a wife and kids, and I want you to look at me in the eyes and say, all say, all those mean things about say, all those horrendous, vile, awful things about him, but not about him, about me. Don't make it about this person you don't know anything about. Look at me in the eyes and tell me that you wish all those things about me, and they couldn't do it. And I was like, of course,
Stoney 27:32
that's because people have really big internet bonds, that's why.
Ian 27:36
But also saying it's like, at that point, it's like, there's a we are not that different?
Jason 27:41
No, the only difference is, is you're not on a stage that you know that have that was very effective at waking up this generation. And I'm telling you, this is gonna I truly believe that there is true this is an awakening. I really do. I see one. I see Gen Z becoming very, very conservative. I see a turning in that, in that regard,
Stoney 28:05
well, that means was already swinging.
Jason 28:09
Look what happened in England. Yeah,
Stoney 28:11
I was just fixing to say the same thing. They are, they are celebrating him. It's right. They have. They had a million people doing, you know, they were having their protest against what's happening with immigration, and it turned into a Charlie Kirk, right?
Jason 28:26
It's happening all over the world, yeah, and that's what I'm saying. People are tired of this toxic hate, hate, hate, and basically trying to affirm this weird kind of behavior as somehow this represents the vast majority of people. It doesn't, yeah, and it's just It blows my mind that we have been so paralyzed in our society. What has happened to us that anybody could have at one time said we're not giving you the time of day? Yeah, I think you mentioned a day if you want to be you're an adult and you want to go in, chop off body parts. You know what? That's your
Stoney 29:08
freedom. But you know, this is America. If you want to do that, go do it. But you don't do it. Don't indoctrinate our children. Don't do it to anybody else you want to do that. Go knock yourself out.
Jason 29:19
Don't do it. More power to you. But
Ian 29:21
it's like, I think you said it earlier. It's like the frog in the pot of water. I think it's like, it started off as these little things. Start off as these little stuff that we tolerated. It's these little movements, these little things. And of course, as it started to get a little bit more, you know, more crazy, a little more outlandish, whatever, have a little more violence, it was like, I think it just creeped up until now, we got to a point where everyone now is like, Hey, this is, you know, this is a too much, too much to handle all at once,
Stoney 29:49
right? No, it is. It absolutely is. I mean, this is just crazy.
Ian 29:53
As I had mentioned earlier, again, there's a few musicians that I listen to, but there's one person in particular that i i. I have listened to before, and I think he's a really talented artist, and I do enjoy his work, but, um, he and I have not had the same political outlooks, and to hear him chime up and like, stand firm in like his, in his in his stance against all this stuff. You know that that Charlie Kirk is, you know, is going under. And he was like, he even posted and like, on his like story, he was like, I'm I'm pruning my fan base. He's like, I am. I'm cutting away old branches and old growth to make way for new life in my in my community, my fan base, for every one lost and terrible soul, I hope to replace it with two honorable souls. And I was like, first of all, I was like, I'm all for this. And I was like, and for I was like, and I never would have thought that this would come from this person, just because, again, I was like, I This has never been the kind of thing that he's ever talked about. And I'm like, and this is the kind of stuff. I'm like, I'm like, I'm starting to see people like that that were maybe more in the center, maybe more a little bit left leaning, that are now like, hey, well, this is far. And now I'm like, Okay, how
Stoney 31:17
many people are coming out and saying Charlie Kirk kind of affected my life. I saw this one person who, at one time, was transgender or however all that, right, I don't know the terminology. Was in that process of becoming or however that works. And they said that they realized something was wrong, and they realized that it was demonic. And then now there's this huge swing of we've been talking about this, this huge swing that's going the other way, more toward the conservative fashion. And now, what's the number one type of video on Tiktok? People the lip tarts on the left crying and screaming because I got fired from a post. They started that. They started to cancel culture, yes. And now, guess what? Swinging back on them. There is a movement right now for people, if you own a business, air conditioning, plumbing, construction. And you go to somebody's house and they have the lib tard agenda anywhere, walk away, turn around and walk away. Don't fix their plumbing, don't fix their electricity. And I'm like, Oh, wow, that's crazy that people are actually willing to take a stand now against this agenda.
Ian 32:45
I saw one of a young woman, a young woman making like a, you know, he had it come in, he had it come in. Kind of, kind of relax. It just makes me sick. I know, I know, but, but the thing that kind of made me feel like, maybe there is a little bit of silver lining on this, is that the very next clip is her sobbing and crying, and she's like, I lost all my friends, everybody that I thought was going to be with me through it all, who was going to be my who was going to like, be with me after college? They've all they've all left me. They're they're all gone, they've all unfollowed me, they've all blocked me. And I was like, and this is what, this is what you get. This what you get for celebrating the murder of a a genuine and nice and
Jason 33:28
good, honorable human
Stoney 33:30
being. All he wanted everyone to do was find Jesus and be happy and prosperous.
Ian 33:37
Yeah, good communication. And I mean dialog.
Jason 33:40
And this is I'm telling this is swung. This is why you're starting to see, even during the last presidential election, what did Trump say? Goes, you have to vote for me because the other side is crazy, and the Democratic Party, I hate, the modern Democratic Party, is
Stoney 33:56
nothing. Yeah, so they're standing on this LGBTQ like, that's the line they're willing to die dug
Jason 34:03
a trench and they've got bayonets out. It's like, this is what they're willing to die for. Like, who is the leader of the Democratic
Stoney 34:10
Party? Oh, I can answer that for you right now. Lucifer, yeah. Well, Lucifer is leading the Democrat Party. When you look at all of these artists and actors and all of these people, you know, Taylor Swift, demonology all over her thing. The Democrat Party is led by Lucifer. He is creating all of these lies. He is creating all of this hatred. Hatred comes from Satan. There's nothing about hatred that God even tolerates.
Jason 34:43
I think it's, it's it's confusion to me is, to me, would be the people have become so. And this is what happens when a society loses an objective morality and moves to. More of a relativistic my opinion. Who are you to tell me this? Are you to me to tell me that this is what happens with my truth? It's my truth. And is it? It has now permeated our society on almost every level. We are all affected by it.
Stoney 35:19
The problem is, is that this is a constitutional republic. Everyone needs to go back to the original Constitution, because, like you said earlier, if you want to go over there and cut body parts off as a as a United
Jason 35:32
States, you spend your own money doing don't go into it.
Stoney 35:37
Yeah, you go and do it. That's your right. Go do it how you live your right, as long as you don't your life, I'm sorry, as long as you don't hurt somebody else. That's up to you. We need to go back to the Constitution and quit trying to pass all these laws and things like that that make all this mental illness okay, because it's not.
Ian 36:00
There's a I saw a hat that was made, and I thought it was really clever. And I'm trying to find a way if I can't purchase it, think, while it's still legal, that's a good one. But as I'm wearing that one, it's something very similar to like it. No, no. It's in the same vein of that says, May the bridges I burn light the way.
Stoney 36:19
I have a shirt that says that, and I love it. I have a shirt that says that,
Ian 36:22
and I that is one of my favorite side hosting, that it's right now I'm hoping that, man, I'm hoping that we're able to come to
Jason 36:33
some sort of, I mean, I hate to be I think it's going to get worse before it
Ian 36:39
gets better. We talked about this. Yes,
Jason 36:42
I think it's gonna get worse before it gets better. I think they, these elements of our society have hijacked so many of our institutions and have turned them into something they were never meant to be. It's like you, you have these people that are using these institutions that basically make our country what it is, at the same time they want to destroy it. And this is what I just don't understand, that we just seem incapable of dealing with these people. It's like, through we throw up our hands like, well, there's nothing we can do about Yeah, there is yeah, yes. You can do something about you get rid of them. Anybody advocating for this kind of stuff, especially anybody advocating with the destruction of this country, needs to be out of any sort of teaching institution. They need to be working the garbage detail.
Ian 37:40
Unfortunately,
Stoney 37:41
it has no they don't even need to be here. ELAR Oman, or whatever her name is, we know she's not here. She's here illegally. Hold on. Hold on. Then we got this other Congresswoman who came out and said on the floor that I am here illegally, because to get me here, we used my step some grandfather's name or something, so she Why aren't these people in jail? The guy who's running for mayor in New York who's a communist, I'm sorry, when you fill out the application to come to America and get a visa, it asks you specifically, are you a member of a communist or socialistic party? If no, you can come. If yes, you can't come. He lied on his application. Take his ass and send him back. I'm done with this. There is something we can do. What we tolerate, we are teaching we allow. Oh, there's no doubt. And it's time to stop. We are a nation of laws. Enforce the laws. If you want to participate, follow the laws. It's that simple. Case in point. Mr. Charlie Kirk was an avid supporter of the Second Amendment. Yes, he was, and now they're Oh, look, he got what he deserved because he supported it. No, you know what? Let's think about that. Who was the only person with a weapon there? A leftist Democrat lived hard because they don't respect the laws. They don't care about our laws. They don't want to participate in our laws. Every second amendment, conservative person on those grounds respected the rules you don't carry a gun on school grounds, right? Who was the only one there with a gun? Okay? So all these gun laws, I will never turn in my guns until you tell me how we can stop him from having his gun. Oh, I can answer that. Somebody tell me two weeks before the assassination, who was the two USBs blacked out, USBs with government plates with no luggage racks that that showed up to his condo with his transgender mate and then left a couple hours left. Eight. What were they doing? There were they the ones who brought him the gun? What were they doing? There was this more of this indoctrination stuff from our far what is it the alphabets that are now coming in and trying to cause discord in America.
Jason 40:21
I hate to say it, but the more and more you hear about this stuff, the more and more our former guest, Brandon, that he talked about, makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense. I mean, it just does now, whether that's true or not, I I'm a firm believer right now, and they'll unless something you know, comes out that changes my mind, that this is a kid that got off the reservation, and he obviously he had been exposed to guns at a young age. I said his father was a 25 year law enforcement veteran, even though I believe he had, he had like, a cabinet or some sort of business like that. So I'm sure he exposed his son to rifles. I'm sure they were out deer hunting or whatever the case may be. So probably having, you know, shooting, holding a rifle was probably not that big of a deal. Oh, 30 odd six, right? It was a mouse or 30
Stoney 41:16
if, if, because I have another friend of mine who was actually listening to the video, who thought it was an AR 15 in the sound, right? They found a mouse or 30 odd six in the woods. So if it was, if it was sighted in at 100 yards, and he really didn't know what he was doing, and didn't realize the drop range of that 30 odd six bullets, it would hit him in the neck. So it was somebody that was not an expert, but somebody who had a little knowledge of it, but, but he didn't know his gun, and he didn't know the bullet again. So somebody just dropped off a weapon and said, Here, use this. It scoped at 100 yards. Or, you know, right? How did that work?
Ian 42:00
Yeah, well, those also, there was discord messages about him, the pickup, yeah,
Jason 42:04
he talked about, yeah, they drew all that off the discord. So, I mean, the kid, you know, I guess you get so wrapped up into this world, you don't even think about, hey, I'm gonna type all this shit on on Discord, and somebody's gonna take pictures. Yeah, exactly, but yeah. I mean, what was so disturbing was just all the stuff that was written on the bullets,
Ian 42:27
yeah, on the weapon. That one made me really uncomfortable. I'm a pretty big fan of the game hell divers. And there was a hell divers reference on bullets that made me very upset.
Jason 42:36
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, the game is what people do. Mean, nobody
Ian 42:39
has anything. I know it was a reference to, like, there's a bomb you can call in, and there's like, a code you type in to, like, make it happen. And of course, the bullet said, Hey, fascist catch. And of course it had that code on it. Mm, me upset because I was like, Man, that's just so
Jason 42:56
I, I saw the, some of the, some of the latest news on him, it appears now that he is not cooperating with authorities,
Stoney 43:06
but his transgender,
Jason 43:08
his, yeah, his his partner, who is in the process of transitioning, has been, has been cooperative, according to the reports I've seen, but And supposedly knew nothing about that interesting Tyler Robinson would do that. I you know, what's sad is that had to be the hardest thing for that Daddy. Oh yeah, knowing that there are people calling for that kid's head yeah, on this, knowing what's going to happen to him if I turn him in. Yep, he's going to get that. Because in Utah, they do have firing squad. As I was
Stoney 43:52
fixing to say that that's something else I wanted to go into, that the governor is pushing for the death penalty. They do have a firing squad, but I have something here. I think, I think that's the easy way out. I do not believe that that is what should happen. I believe that that is a cowards way out, and that is what the coward would want. I believe his punishment should be to be locked away in a jail cell for the rest of his miserable coward life, where he is forced to listen to the reruns of Charlie's debates, campus events, podcast radio shows, 24/7 for the rest of forever, when he tries to sleep, Charlie's voice when he's Eating. Charlie's voice, Charlie's message on a 24/7, loop. I only think that it's fitting that in his dying breath, he has to hear Charlie's voice, which actually I believe that listening to Charlie might bring him closer to the Lord, which at the end of the day is precisely what Charlie would have wanted. Well, and I think. That is a fitting punishment for this?
Jason 45:02
Well, it could be. It could be. I mean, the sad part about it, at one time, this kid was not like this. Something happened to him. That's what I'm saying. For the daddy to probably to begin with, I can only imagine his daddy. Can imagine the state of mind he's in knowing his son was in a relationship, whatever you want, with a guy transitioning to be a woman. I mean, I can imagine any daddy knowing, looking in Him, knowing probably how he thinks, his worldview, and all of a sudden seeing his boy. Yeah, this happening, you know the sad part about it, there are two. Everybody talks about Charlie Kirk as they should, and his family, yeah, and what they lost. But this man also lost his son too. Yep, that's that's often gets forgotten in our in our our our righteous anger and our thirst for vengeance, we forget that this other kid also had a mom and dad that probably had no clue of the decision that their kid would make. Yeah, and they have to live with that for the rest of their life.
Ian 46:19
I don't even fully think that he the killer, fully understands what he did.
Jason 46:26
I don't know if it is all even though the kid was very smart. I think I saw he had a made a 34 and his AC T, he was a full point.
Ian 46:37
I'm not talking about like intelligence wise. I think the the mental illness, no, no, no, no, not even mental illness. I'm talking about, like, the just kind of awareness, taking situation, taking of a life, like the decision, like, I think that that is an action that was done without the I don't think that's like, I don't think the full weight of that was processed potentially before it was done. You know what I mean? Like, that's the kind of stuff I was I was watching a video from a guy, a religious leader, that I, I watched sometimes on Instagram, and he says, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. And he's like, everyone seems to think that, like, oh, they don't know, like that they're sinning. They don't know. That's what I just said in my thing earlier, right, right, right, right. But what he's saying is, like, it's not just that. It's like, I don't think people for you need as Christians, we need to forgive those people, because they don't. They don't know the decision that they made in eternity. They don't know the decision that they made, and when it comes to, like the bigger picture of, like spirituality and like who they are and all that kind of stuff, like they made that decision, but that's not,
Stoney 47:56
I don't. I can't. I can't feel you on this one, because murder is murder. You're right. He knew exactly what he was doing. He knew to take a life. He put a bullet in a man's body. You know what you're doing. You say that
Ian 48:11
because you know that. But I don't think he knows that, and I think he's now feeling the full weight of that, oh
Jason 48:17
yeah, it's going to be whatever happens to him, whether he gets the death penalty or not? He gets life in prison. Yeah, you know, who knows? I don't. I'm, of course, my natural reaction is, course I, you know, line him up with the firing squad. I don't know. Yeah, if that is really would be the best avenue for him, keeping him alive, you know, might be, I don't know I said, I don't know what's gonna happen. I don't know what, what, how the court system will work that out. But, yeah, we are, but that's what I'm saying. But how many other potential people are out there just like him, and most of this violence is coming from the left, you know, the media skew, I've noticed, well, you know, there's some right wing violence. And I'm like, where, I mean, they'll throw what happened up in Minnesota with the two state lawmakers, that was kind of a small, isolated type events, and I'm not, not justifying it, and all violence is wrong. We got to get
Stoney 49:32
away, if you look at the statistics. And if the lib tards on the left were to stop committing violent crimes, violent crime in America would drop 98% okay, I'm tired of the left media. I'm tired of the left skewing these numbers. Okay, this is nothing to do with it. Okay, the right has the most guns and the most ammunition, if they. Were the problem, you would know it. They are not the problem. It's people that don't respect and love this country. It's people that don't know and respect and just desire to be with Jesus Christ that are the problem every day.
Jason 50:16
The leftist, I mean, I'd say it, but that that ideology people who subscribe to that they don't want to talk to you. No, they want to destroy you. Yes, they do.
Stoney 50:29
And who's that sound like? I'm sorry. Who does that sound like? I'm sorry. Who Lucifer? That's his intention in life, is to destroy
Jason 50:38
I think this is, there's some subversive elements coming from other countries that are hostile to the United States. This was kind of brought up, you know, we talked about with Tiktok, the type of content that is on here versus what you say you get in China or any other country. I think there are subversive elements involved in this. I believe they are people. And a lot of people throw around George Soros that funds a lot of this leftist type stuff, because it destabilizes the United States. It really does. We're at war with ourselves right now. And I guess in some people's eyes, if the United States is a war with itself, it, it we can do what we want to do, because they're too busy dealing with their own problems. And that's the problem we are not even capable of responding anymore. You know, I think back with World War Two, and we got bombed at Pearl Harbor and the collective energy when the country came together. I don't know if we could even do that today. I really don't, because we are so so divided on so many fundamental levels. I mean people arguing over taxes and tax cuts and tax breaks, and you know, who gets what, and we're going to fund this social program at this level versus this. That's just plain old regular politics. I get that United States have had a long history of of politicians being violent. I mean, you go back to the 1800s they were beating each other with gangs inside, in the halls of Congress. So maybe we should go back to that, you know, I mean, the idea that somehow we've kind of always been this, you know, non violent, or kind of, you know, contential type of, right? You know, we've had that, but as a country, we've always, for a degree, have kind of agreed on the fundamentals, right? We really have, and I hate to say it, a lot of this, you know, this is indoctrination, this mass immigration that has just completely changed the fundamental fabric of communities in this country, without any system of properly getting people in and having them kind of merge into the larger society the way it's supposed to work. I just I do believe that there is a dark force out there, a matter of fact, I listened to a podcast by Theo Vaughn, who I listened to quite a bit, and he said, I think there's, I believe it was him. He says, I think there's someone out there that knows what's going on, but they just won't tell us. And I think that's where we're at right now. I saw something's wrong.
Stoney 53:41
I was watching a video, and it was a Muslim imam who was talking, and he said, You know what, in a Muslim country, wokeism is not allowed, but we love woke ism in America. We love it and we support it, and we're glad it's happening in America. He says, because at one point in time, the only Savior for America is going to be Islam.
Jason 54:05
Well, the way it's going, and I think that might be a plan, is because it gets so bad, yes, it gets so bad that people start looking for answers. And they look at the anything that can provide stability, right?
Stoney 54:20
And that's a one world government, or Islam or something like that. But who's the leader? Who's the new leader of the New World Economic Forum? Just, just happened this week, wouldn't it? Soros son, know, the CEO of Black Rock, oh, just became the leader of the World Economic
Ian 54:39
Forum. I think, Wait, really, I think that we are in a I unfortunately, it took the it took this murder, I think, to make this transition. But I think we're, I think, I think this for me personally and for a large number of people that I know personally. Yeah. So this event that happened with Charlie is going to be a litmus test going forward for me personally, if, if people in my life, or people have a certain outlook on this kind of situation, I'm really going to start looking differently at these people and and really trying to, like, stand up against what, like, being really vocal about it. And I think that's there. I think that there's a large majority now of people that are feeling that way. We may not have these world leadership positions, but I think that like, we are at a turning point now where, like, the world is going to be different in the next few months. Now, what happened and transpired this past week, I think, is fundamentally going to change a lot of people, not only in like the conservative space, not only in the Christian space, but I think also in the like neutral middle zone and even on the left as well. This has changed a lot of people fundamentally. I think that the I think America is going to change a lot going forward, and I don't, and I think we've said this before in past episodes about how it's going to get worse before it gets better. And it's like, this is one of those things. It has now gotten worse. And I think that I'm not going to say that this is going to be the thing that changes everything. But I think that this is one of those. This is one of those milestones we'll look back on, and we'll go, I think things are better now, unfortunately, because of things like this that took place, events that that rallied us all together to say, hey, you know, celebrating the death of like a of a good Christian, honest man, is kind of foul and vile, and the fact that you're sitting here and celebrating it, that's something that I can't see eye to eye on you with, and I need you to go ahead and I need it. We need to separate from each other
Stoney 56:52
celebrating the death of a human.
Ian 56:54
You're right. You're right, but
Stoney 56:57
I agree with you. But how about just celebrating the death of a human you're right,
Jason 57:01
because we've dehumanized our our opponents, and that's what I'm saying. This kind of goes back to a fundamental thing that I've noticed in our public discourse, that we have gone from the ability to talk to one another and disagree to the idea that if you disagree with me, you hate me. Yep, I have noticed that with people that it's almost you take offense, that I may look at the world differently than you. And I think that's very, very disturbing, and I think the baby has now been born. We that seed was planted, that baby is born, and it's grown into a full blown monster. Because if you cannot talk, like Charlie was trying to do with people, tell me what's tell me why you believe the what you believe. What is your reasoning? Is it rational? And what's happened is these people, because I've seen these things. I mean, they're all over the all over social media, of how he interacts with these people. They're completely lost. But, you see, they can't, and it makes people think, going, well, maybe I'm thinking wrong.
Stoney 58:18
But you see, that's the problem. They're not thinking there was a CIA experiment done decades ago where they took a room of 30 people and they were a room of 30 people off the streets. Okay? What one person did know? Because only one person was off the streets. 29 of them were CIA agents, and they put them in a room, and they showed a sign, and I'm just going to say it's a square. And they asked everybody what it was, and they started, and he was the last person, what is that? Well, it's a triangle. Well, it's a triangle. Well, it's a triangle. And went all the way through the room until it got to him, and he's the only one who knows that's not a square, that's a triangle. But he goes, I better go ahead and say triangle. And by the end of the experiment, he said it was a square. What do you think the media is doing to us today by saying over and over and over again, Donald Trump is a fascist over and over again. This person is that, or if you do this, this person is that, if you do this, this person is that. That's what these people are suffering from. Yep, that's what they're they don't they. They can't think because they're just indoctrinated into this one belief, like you said, that if you don't agree with me, you hate me.
Jason 59:47
That's what I'm saying. We can I mean, just look at a lot of the mainstream shows when it comes to this. I mean, I've seen it. CNN, you know, everybody's talking. About the view, you know, just the
Stoney 1:00:02
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. MSB, MSNBC, you know what? Their first thing, five minutes afterwards, they said, big blanket. This was a Charlie Kirk supporter who was just firing a gun in celebration. Are you i kidding
Jason 1:00:21
me. I think, I think that's the reason those, those those programs, their viewership has dropped almost nothing. I think they're almost on verge of basically having to shut down. Because I think after this, what, how do you defend this? You were at fault for sitting there spouting all this that Trump people were all these Nazis and fascists and everything else constantly, day after day after day that maybe they just saw the world of different maybe, let's just go back to the time when your last Democratic President y'all seem to like Bill Clinton. How we operated. We didn't operate this way at all. Something happened to us. Somehow we somewhere, we got off the tracks. And it is started. And Jordan Peterson has talked about this, and in context of his country of Canada, and he he places the blame strictly on these, on these universities that has fostered this, this anti Western culture narrative that Where are you coming from in trying to push this on these impressionable kids? And we know how how kids are so influenced by their peers, and you get enough people thinking the same way, no one wants to be on an island. It takes a lot of courage to stay on an island and maintain your integrity and to maintain your thoughts. It is because the pressure is going to be to comply and join the group, sort of like, you know the old star. Stars track with the Borg. You become part of the collective. I mean, that's just what it
Stoney 1:02:06
is. One of my favorite debates that Charlie was having was with an English major, English literature major, and he asked him, Well, what's your favorite Jane Austen novel? Who, wait a minute, how are you an English literature major and never have read a Jane Austen novel? Are you kidding me? And he listed two or three relevant authors. That's this guy never even heard of. You're in college as an English literature major. What are you learning? What are they teaching you? It's obviously not English literature.
Jason 1:02:43
They're teaching. They're basically teaching kids to hate America, yes, and everything that made this country great from its its Judeo Christian backdrop of the believers that came to this country originally, and the values they brought that civilization they built. They are absolutely hostile to it. They hate it. And that's what people need to get their heads wrapped around, that these institutions have been captured by this ideology, and parents are sending their kids to these universities, and they're losing them when they get there. And I understand a parent would go, well, then what am I supposed to do? Not send my kid to college? How? I mean, he wants to be a doctor. What am I supposed to do? I don't, I don't know what the answer is. You've got to somehow. You have got to get into these universities and purge them of this mentality. You know
Stoney 1:03:44
what just kind of popped into my head was back in the 70s and in the 80s, when I when I got into Protective Services, one of the biggest things that we dealt with was parents losing their kids to a cult. Now they're just sending them and paying the cult,
Jason 1:04:03
because we have invested. We have we have institutions that are very much grounded in the founding of this country, of what college is supposed to be, how it was originally envisioned it would be, and they've been turned into indoctrination factories, and they're turning kids out to basically hate America and to become, you know, feed their darkest desires. That's, that's, that's what it comes down to. And as I said, I see hope now. I believe, as much I hated to see what happened, I believe Charlie Kirk's death has launched something. You know, it's so ironic. His organization was called Turning Point. I believe this is the turning point, and I think people are waiting. Up. I can't tell you how many former people that were on the left of the political spectrum has seen what they've seen from some of these people, and have gotten disgusted by and say, I don't want to be a part of this anymore. I'm done with this party because it does not represent me at all. It has nothing to do with taxes and and all these other things. It's about just destroying your opposition. That's what it is. You just do not find this on the right, the the right, you have a very small subset. That is when it rears its ugly head and does something bad. There's a universal condemnation that comes from, from what I would call Republicans, or like minded people that say, No, that's wrong, and we condemn you for on the left. You don't hear it, and this is my problem with the left. And Jordan Peterson's talked about this, yeah, when does the left go too far? Because the party itself never calls its own to the carpet, because it's a party now based upon victimhood. And if all your your your position is is I'm a victim, then you can justify anything. You can justify anything, and it makes it hard to basically say, hold up there, that's not you've kind of gotten off the reservation with this stuff. That's not what we're talking about,
Ian 1:06:33
right? It reminds me of what happened also this week as well in North Carolina with that, oh, that poor girl, Ukrainian girl, yeah, Irina zarutska. That's a whole thing right now that I don't think there's been a verdict yet on the guy. His last name is brown, the guy that stabbed her and, like, killed her, and there was, like, video evidence of it. There's like, not a verdict right now, because, again, they're trying to plea that he's, like, mentally unwell, and he's,
Stoney 1:07:00
he has, he's, he's been to jail 20, I know, and let go, right?
Ian 1:07:05
So right now it's like, there's, I think there's been a GoFundMe to try and, like, raise a bunch of funds for him. That's like, apparently raised a bunch of money that I'm like, it's just that kind of stuff where I'm a victim of, like, he's just like, oh,
Jason 1:07:16
this goes back to this what people are finally getting fed up with this, this cold, this whole, the whole system is infected. Yeah, that's the reason this guy was arrested 14
Stoney 1:07:28
times. Yeah, it's in the 20s, and
Jason 1:07:31
still walking around out there. This is the problem. Is this allowing this tolerance of, of allowing just stuff that at one time in our past, we didn't allow this. I've said it a lot lately with just comments I've made online. And when it comes to all these type of issues, we have lost the ability, or the collective will to have order in our society anymore. Yeah, we just, we are, like, afraid to want that. It's like, if I do that, and people gonna think, I'm mean, it's like, no, they're not. People want a functioning society. No one should be afraid to walk around any I don't care where you live in America, no one should be feel for all the life, right?
Stoney 1:08:23
Well, what are they doing in Canada right now, the prime minister came out and said, Okay, look, okay, you can't shoot somebody that breaks into your house. And what you need to do is you just need to leave your keys by the door, because all they want is your car. And no, you can't shoot them. You'll go to jail if you shoot them, really. So now we just got to give people our shit because they want it. It's exactly. Now, obviously they can take our life.
Jason 1:08:48
That's exactly. And I hate to say it, but this goes into the overall theme of what's going on. They want you to be quiet. They want you to they don't want you to practice religion. They want you to stay in your house, don't say anything. Don't do anything. Do nothing. Yes, that's it. That's what they want. And you people have got to eventually say no, yeah, we're going to retake our society back from these people. You people are crazy.
Stoney 1:09:19
Their message was, shut up and die. I don't think it's going to go down like that, just, it's just for me, that
Ian 1:09:26
was a final there are these. There are these moments that happen like this, like, I don't, I don't personally own a firearm right now, and I need to, like, prioritize. I really need to prioritize, like, getting my stuff in order to to get one, because I do think that that is a right that I'm given, that I do need to exercise, that I am not currently doing, that. I think that is also a disservice to myself and my family and people around me that like I, you know, again, heaven forbid something was to happen, but at the same time, I don't want to be caught not being prepared
Jason 1:09:57
well, you know, a gun would have, would have helped. Charlie Kirk in that position,
Ian 1:10:01
right?
Jason 1:10:02
He was at an event that, you know, he wanted to talk and and, you know, maybe better security, you know, I don't know how that works. Yeah, you can. What if, today you could, what if it to death. He shouldn't have to worry
Stoney 1:10:16
about that. Nobody like you said, should be, we should be able to walk around anywhere in America and not have to worry
Jason 1:10:24
exactly, somehow we have lost this.
Stoney 1:10:28
You're on a school ground campus. Yeah, a campus.
Jason 1:10:33
Well, I mean, why? And really, you saw people.
Stoney 1:10:37
There were people. There's one guy I would please, the guy, the blonde headed, bearded guy dancing around in the front picture after he got shot, seconds after he got shot, going, yay, bring him to me. Yeah, bring him to me. Please. Whoever I I'm saying that on the air, bring him to me. I got some explaining due to
Jason 1:10:57
him. We, I'm telling you so we something has got to change. We cannot just keep allowing, you know, exercising tolerance all the time. Eventually, you got to draw a line and say, That's it,
Stoney 1:11:13
not a handicap. Now, got something to say about that.
Jason 1:11:18
It's just we have some saying we, I don't know
Stoney 1:11:22
what's horrible. Seconds later, yeah,
Jason 1:11:25
this mentality really took hold in the 60s with the, you know, the flower generation, and just this, you know, rebelling against the paradigm of their parents and grandparents and the world that they had built, kind of the social norms, and it is, it is now permeated with, with every in every part of our society. We cannot seem to we seem incapable of fixing anything. You know, it would just seem incapable, because no one wants to go out there on an island and exercise courage. And I'd say it as time goes on, I've thought about this a lot that you know to speak truth may require the ultimate sacrifice. Yep, and the question will always come down to this,
Jason 1:12:25
who has courage,
Ian 1:12:26
right?
Stoney 1:12:27
Well,
Jason 1:12:27
who's willing to do it? Yeah, you know, it's we talk and I get it. But I'm hoping that this event that a new generation that hopefully will begin to fix the mess that unfortunately my generation, the boomers before me, the seeds were planted then that will possibly fix this problem, because we cannot exist as a country like this. Well, in this
Stoney 1:13:05
society based on why the truth becomes revolutionary, and we're in the revolutionary time. Think about that. We're the whole society is based on lies, yeah, and now we're going to kill somebody because of the truth.
Jason 1:13:20
Crazy. Charlie, we love you. Thank you for what you did, and your death will not be in vain.
Stoney 1:13:29
Well, I don't know if you saw his wife's speech. Have you seen pictures from the before and the pictures of her? And I'm reminded of that statement, a woman scorned. Oh, yeah, just the fire in her eyes when she said, This is not over.
Ian 1:13:48
Yeah, he was the nice one. That's what I remember hearing. I was like, That's crazy to That's very true.
Jason 1:13:56
I don't think what was they thought was going to be the end of his movement. No, don't think that's gonna it's gonna play out the way that they thought that was gonna play out. As I'm saying, some people are, or a lot of people are equating him to the modern day. MLK, yeah, they really are. He was a guy of non violence, yep. Talk to people,
Stoney 1:14:22
well, JFK was the same way, you
Jason 1:14:24
know, I think he's going to be, you know, who knows what? What will happen in the future because of this, right? You know, I You never know. But as I said, it is a tragedy, and I pray for his family and his co workers. At Turning Point USA, right? He was actually scheduled to be at at Louisiana State University in October. You know, College Republicans, he was scheduled, I believe, October. Seventh, he was supposed to be here, wow, so, but he won't be now. So, because of a because of cow, of a coward, yeah, and that's it. As you said, the the gospel message of the day of the shooting was Love your enemies. So that's the challenge to us all
Ian 1:15:30
as that's what I've these past few days. That's one thing that I've tried to remind myself over and over and over again, is trying to surrender myself, trying to make sure that my reaction, that my my first gut reaction, is not the thing that I need to respond to people with, but to take a breath and to try and take a step back and try and give you know, and try and show a bit of Love, and try and be a little bit more like, I think, how Charlie was, as far as being open and being, I don't know, just have a have a good conversation, instead of just attacking and right, you know, I don't think that's going to solve anything. And I think it's, it's helped me out a lot. This past week, I've been able to have some very good, honest conversations. With people, like I had said earlier with that one friend, where I said, really put me in that position. And I had a great conversation with them afterwards about how you have this idea of this man in your mind, and that is not who it is. Really. Look at the facts, look at the person. Look at the person that you're talking about.
Jason 1:16:41
And my question, my question is, what was his message? Why is it? Why does Why are you opposed to that so much? Because to me, what he has always said was very everyday, common stuff that I I grew up with. Yeah, there's nothing radical about what he's ever said, right? You know people you know say he's this far right activist who makes that determinant. Why is that far right? I think that's normal. Yeah. You know what makes it far right? Is he, I mean, marching in streets? Was he marching Street, wanting people to to round people up and put them in concentration camps. He never, I mean, this CR this amplification of your enemies has led to this kind of thinking that somehow what he's saying is just, it's so bad. I'm like, Really, right? Just, I mean, it's just, it's sick. It's sick. I mean, we, somehow, we, we've got a we need a revival.
Ian 1:17:48
Well, for any of you out there, I guess, who want to share your thoughts or your feelings or or where you stand on some of this stuff, we do have a couple of different public forums of our own where you can reach out to us and let us know we have an email address get offended together@gmail.com I hope it didn't offend too many people on this episode. I hope there's many people who feel the same way that we do. We also have comment sections on Spotify and YouTube where you can you know, let's let us know how you think and how you feel and what's going on in your life, in this moment right now, because I know it's hard for all of us, and until next week, thank you so much for listening. Bye, bye, goodbye
Jason 1:18:25
everyone, and God bless.
Stoney 1:18:26
We end here today, where my faith begins with the certainty that every person bears God's image and that vengeance is not our assignment. We will mourn, we will seek the truth, and we will insist on accountability without surrendering to hatred. That means we will let the law do its work while we let love do ours. We tell the truth without dehumanizing, we correct lies without becoming cruel, and we carry our grief like people who still live and believe in redemption. So here's how we live that out. Hug your family a little longer tonight. Pray for those in pain, for those pursuing justice and yes, for those whose hearts are hard. Be quick to listen and slow to post. Verify before you amplify. Refuse the easy outrage that racks up clicks but bankrupts the soul. Show up for your community, serve, give, vote, mentor within the law with a clean conscience, hold representatives and leaders to the standard of justice and hold yourself to the standard of love. We don't answer darkness with more darkness. We overcome evil with good and. Have one discipline choice at a time and tomorrow live like the world you want to see is watching your kids, your neighbors, your opponents and your own conscience, because it is. Thank you for joining us today. You're the best, and I mean this one harder than I have, Peace.