The Deaths And Disappearances Of Scientists | Retrospect Ep.238

In this week’s episode we discussed the unsettling pattern of recent deaths and disappearances involving scientists around the world. From mysterious circumstances to unanswered questions, we examine the facts, the speculation, and the broader impact these cases have on science, security, and public trust. We try to separate verified information from conspiracy theories and ask why these stories continue to capture global attention.

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keywords, Scientist deaths, mysterious disappearances, defense sector, intelligence, biotech, energy fields, classified information, mental health, burnout, institutional pressure, directed energy weapons, UAP disclosure, conspiracy theories, foreign actors, retrospect podcast.
Ian  
There is a pattern people keep whispering about, but nobody wants to say out loud over the past few decades, clusters of scientists, brilliant, specialized, often working at the edge of discovery, have died under circumstances that feel off, some ruled suicides, some accidents, some never fully explained, and when you line them up, not cherry picked, but documented, you start to feel that quiet tension between coincidence and something more deliberate. Think back to the wave of deaths tied to defense and tech sectors in the 1980s the so called GEC Marconi scientists in the UK, dozens of experts working on sensitive military projects, many found dead within a short span. Official explanations, mental health struggles, isolated incidents, tragic but unrelated, maybe, but the clustering raised eyebrows then still does. Now fast forward and the names change, the fields evolve, but the unease sticks around. So what are we looking at? A real phenomenon or a pattern? Our brains are desperate to connect, because here's the truth, scientists operate in high pressure worlds. They deal with classified information, billion dollar stakes, political consequences and discoveries that can shift power globally. That environment alone creates risk, mental, professional and sometimes physical. But there is another layer, the one that keeps this topic alive, when knowledge becomes power and power becomes leverage, what happens to the people holding that knowledge. Is it a coincidence that some of these deaths orbit defense, intelligence, biotech and energy fields, where breakthroughs don't just change lives, they change who's in control? Or are we seeing something simpler, burnout, isolation, institutional pressure, human systems failing the very minds they depend on. We're not here to jump to conclusions. We're here to walk the line between documented fact and unanswered questions and the stories that grow in the space between them, because sometimes the truth isn't hidden in a grand conspiracy, sometimes it's buried under layers of silence, complexity and just enough coincidence to keep you guessing, and the most dangerous question is it, what happened? It's who benefits when nobody looks too closely. 

Ian  
Welcome to the retrospect podcast, a show where people come together from different walks of life and discuss a topic from the generations perspective. My name is Ian, and as always, I'm joined by Stoney.

Stoney   
 Hello,

Ian  
 Jason,

Jason  
hello everyone.

Ian  
 How's it going? 

Jason  
Well, doing pretty good. I bit the bullet and bought a new car, really? Oh, you did,

Jason  
yes,

Ian  
I didn't get a chance to see you.

Jason  
No, well, it's, it's out there. So yes, I did it. And, you know, my car was, you know, 13 years old. And,

Stoney   
yeah,

Jason  
it was really on its last leg. I had, really, I think, squeezed every bit of dollar I could get out of that car. And of course, the My wife is like, 

Ian  
Jason, it's time.

Jason  
It's time for a new car. It's not like you you can't afford it, you can go get another car. So, so we started looking, and I really was leaning toward a Toyota Highlander. That's kind of where I was going. But I was so disappointed that Toyota has now dropped the six cylinder and has gone to the four, the four cylinder turbo. And I'm just like, I'm not doing because the previous car I had was a four cylinder turbo, and I've said I'm not doing that again. Okay, just not, I'm not driving another four cylinder car. So I started looking around, and lo and behold, Honda has managed to hang on to the v6 and I said, let me go check Honda out. So I saw, you know, little utility vehicle, sport utility vehicle, the passport, and I got test drove it, and I was really looking for a specific interior over that call,

Ian  
okay,

Jason  
because I didn't like the one that was on the lot. I said, Look, I'm looking for the sunset orange with the brown interior, which is a two tone interior. It's really, really sharp,

Stoney   
yeah.

Jason  
And he goes, Man, that's kind of, you know, they ain't too many are made like that. Well, about Wednesday, because I test drove him on Saturday. Okay, that Wednesday I get a call,

Ian  
of course.

Jason  
He goes, I got one. You're not gonna believe this. He goes. And this, they said, this is super by chance, we didn't order this,

Ian  
okay,

Jason  
because we there's three cars coming to the dealership from the factory in Alabama.

Ian  
Okay,

Jason  
one of those cars on there is a sunset, orange with the brown insurance. You got to be kidding me. I said, when it gets there,

Ian  
let me know.

Jason  
Hold

Ian  
it. Yeah.

Jason  
So I, I

Ian  
made

Jason  
that deal on Friday. On Friday. I on Friday. I went to, I went to the local dealership, the Honda dealerships near my house. And I have to say, I hate buying cars. I will tell you, I is one of the most stressful events I feel like you can go through, because every time I feel like I'm just getting screwed, yes, and probably you are, to some degree. Well,

Stoney   
that's their job.

Jason  
Their

Stoney   
whole point of their job is to screw out of your money.

Jason  
And I get that, that they're there to make money, and you got to pay people, and understand that that's jobs for people. So I said, Look. And, you know, had a conversation. Just he goes, Look. And just because of what I did before, he goes look, with you. Says, Look, I'm gonna show you the invoice.

Jason  
This

Jason  
is what the car cost.

Ian  
Yeah.

Jason  
He goes, we do 2% over invoice for you because of what I used to be. Okay,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
so it's a little special deal.

Ian  
Nice.

Jason  
I said. She pulls out sheet. We sit down. We all talk about pulls out the sheet. Look at the invoice, because I know what the invoice and what was on the sticker on the car.

Ian  
Yeah.

Jason  
And then we started wheeling and dealing and and by the time we were finished, five hours later, five hours, five hours,

Ian  
my goodness,

Jason  
I drove off the lot with that car, and I thought I got a pretty decent price for what I what I wanted. Probably could have wiggled them down a little bit more, probably so, but it comes to a point where it's like,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
you know, financing this thing over five years, so it doesn't really matter. And so I drove off on Friday in a downpour. Because if you recall that Friday, terrible, so I drove off the lot with a brand new automobile, and I love it. I just, it's me, and I'm very happy. I'm very happy with purchase. So

Ian  
I love a Honda, not gonna lie,

Jason  
they're very reliable. They rank, they rank right up there, one of

Ian  
the

Jason  
two Toyotas as far as reliability and, you know, long term value. But I'm literally, it's because of the v6 I'm so disappointed, and I'm worried about next year that the pressure is going to be on Honda to drop the v6 and go to a four cylinder, because they're all doing that.

Stoney   
Yeah.

Jason  
I mean, it's just, it's just gone, Chris, oh, they still have the traditional v6 direct injection, you know, just kind of, kind of tried and true type of engine. And so I got it, and of course, now I'm doing all my little accessories. Of course I want to do on

Ian  
it. The Bluetooth connected

Jason  
all this. But I was disappointed that they did not have actually, Cirrus or XM Radio actually, as part of built into it, built into it,

Ian  
really

Jason  
Honda drop that some actual while back. I didn't realize that, but they Interesting, yeah,

Ian  
unfortunate. I don't know. I don't know if that's a

Jason  
you have to do it through your app.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
that

Ian  
you

Jason  
can stream XM that way. But they don't have it kind of hard wired into the car like my, my previous car had it.

Ian  
Yeah?

Jason  
Hey, I keep reading some articles. They say, you know, satellite radios, it's kind of going away, of the dinosaur, really? Yeah, they're saying that's fixing. It's starting to fade out. Yeah. And I'm like, Well, I don't know. I'm saying, why? I mean, especially if you're out, like, out west, because in the

Stoney   
mountains, when you think about what you're getting, it's kind of expensive. I had it for a while, and I'm just not paying that kind of money. And and I had it, and they came out with a this little module that you could bring and put it in your car, or, you think, put it in your bedroom or something, right? And they were offering it, and I was like, Okay, I'll renew my policy if you give me one of those and they wouldn't do it, and I says, then cancel my policy.

Ian  
Yeah,

Stoney   
if you're not gonna make it easy for me to listen to you,

Jason  
right,

Stoney   
I'm not gonna do it.

Speaker 1  
Yep. And

Stoney   
so I just, I never went back to them, and just,

Jason  
and I guess the city, the setup that is now that I can just stream. From the app on my on my phone, yeah, it's fine, as long as you've got good connection. But to me, if you're out west and mountains and stuff like that, where you should, you have a problem,

Stoney   
right?

Jason  
Well, but with an app you're not really dealing with with satellite Bluetooth

Stoney   
from your phone to the Yeah, he's

Ian  
saying, if you lose cell phone, so connection to the radio,

Jason  
so at least with satellite, as long as you can see the sky. I mean, you're good to go. But it's true, so I don't, I mean, that's kind of, you know, I don't know what's going on.

Stoney   
What year is your car?

Jason  
That's 2026, 2026

Stoney   
did it come with a subscription to use the auto start?

Jason  
No,

Ian  
that's

Stoney   
next year.

Jason  
That's 2027, we talked about that. So, yeah, that's going to be the the new, the new mandated stuff on the feds.

Stoney   
If you want to use your auto start, you need to pay for a subscription. If you want to do this, you're going to have to have a subscription. So it's, it's gonna be interesting, yeah?

Jason  
So, yeah, so, so I'm happy. So the wife is happy.

Ian  
That's good,

Jason  
yeah, she's got, she's got, she's comfortable, and something we can take a trip in, and,

Stoney   
yeah,

Jason  
not be driving in a go kart.

Ian  
There you go.

Jason  
Well, the car gotten down to my biggest, probably biggest mistake when I retired. I probably should have just simply, at the time when all my cash out, my money was given to me, I should have just simply, just took out whatever I needed and just bought a car then, which is what I said I was going to do, but I didn't do so, but

Ian  
here we are,

Jason  
but here we are. But, yeah, this just sounds

Stoney   
like it'd be a good episode. Well, here we are.

Jason  
This topic, guys, yeah, telling you, this stuff has been, it's been all over the place. I just, it's amazing. I think, really, this stuff started really kind of, I saw creeping up about in 2022 really,

Stoney   
well, this kind of stuff's been creeping around since the Cold War. This isn't a new topic. This is not anything new with the Russians with their plutonium pellets and being able you know, this is nothing new. This is just a new storyline in it

Speaker 1  
for

Stoney   
today's society. But this has been going on for decades and decades.

Jason  
Well, I think there was a pretty high ranking guy that in the Air Force that

Stoney   
a major general

Jason  
that went, I think that's really what kind of busted this story was like, Okay, what happened with this guy? Now, I mean, this guy was a William Neil McCaslin,

Stoney   
yes.

Stoney   
And he's from former Air Force Research Laboratory, an Aerospace Research Leader, yeah, and he went missing February 27 of this year, and he vanished near Albuquerque. He said, his wallet, his gun, he left him his phone, prescription glasses and wearable dice devices were left behind also, but he had reportedly cited a number of times leaving several research groups of having some type of mental fog. And if you remember our embassy in Cuba, where they were shooting those rays into the embassy, causing people to have memory lapses and headaches and all kinds of stuff. You got to wonder what was going on there, because it sounds like our old buddy, Brandon, talking about this kind of stuff too. Kind of wish he'd have been on this show that

Jason  
might Yeah. Well, it because a lot of the stuff that I mean that we still receive from from him touches on a lot of this kind of stuff, and it's it's actually a bit frightening to think that. I find it funny that this guy disappears about a week after Trump said that we're going to declassify this. UAP,

Ian  
Oh, yeah.

Jason  
And I'm just wondering if there's a connection there, if there are forces within the military industrial complex that doesn't want any of this, this information out. I mean, they've had hearings in Congress. We've all seen that on TV. You can pull up, you can pull up the actual testimonies that they have actually recovered biologicals, non human biologicals. How people can say that we're the only thing in the universe? I don't understand. I saw another. Article where this pastor, I don't know if y'all caught this

Stoney   
not, yes,

Jason  
mentioned something that something he has been prepped to warn all the religious people out there that information is going to be coming out that's going to shake their faith that we are not alone in the universe, that there is non human intelligence, and how that psychologically will impact people. Now, I've seen some some friends of mine who are also very religious, who have come out and said, well, the government is fixing to engage in a great deception, and he's

Stoney   
fixing to bring that up, and

Jason  
I'm gonna let you kind of run with that, but I kind of, we've kind of talked about that a little bit. So I mean, Stoney, what do you I mean

Stoney   
when I, when I started researching this, and you look at what some of these people do, they're all Astro something, Astro researchers, astrophysicist these are the people that could openly debunk something, and we talked about it on a show, and pardon me for my TBI, I can't remember The episode that we talked about that they've been planning since Vietnam and before being able to come in with AI and all of these special effects and bring in God, right where you would hear God in your own language, where you would and these that when I heard this pastor come through and say these things. That was the first thing that popped into my head, that is this, the great situation of where they're going to try to bring in something and fake everybody into getting this control that we've been talking about for months now. And it looks like all the people that are missing, and there's way more missing than are just dead. We're talking about the dead ones today, but I got a list of the missing ones too, and it's significant, and it's all from astrophysicists jet propulsion laboratories, not counting the medical people

Jason  
that

Stoney   
are missing and dead too.

Jason  
I was reading, I was following, listening to a podcast regarding on this topic, they mentioned somebody in the in the medical field that had developed a way of removing the white blood cells from the body. These are people that were in stage four cancer. Way of removing the white white blood cells from the body, in essence, reprogram the cells and then project them back into the human to the host again, and then that way, they would then start attacking cancer. So basically, like your immune system attacks a foreign object, which would in essence, be the cure for cancer,

Ian  
a, I think a cure,

Jason  
yeah, because then, ultimately, that's really what cancer is,

Ian  
yeah. The hard part about, yes, I've heard a lot about that stuff as well, and that's the hard part about, there's not, that's the hard part about cancer is that there's like, cancer can be in any part of your body, and every different strain is something specifically different to cater to that. But, like, that kind of stuff you're talking about, I've heard a lot about

Jason  
that as

Ian  
well. Like, that's, like, a new thing that's coming out. They, like, can, at least, could be the cure for, like, a couple different types of cancer, which is interesting, yeah,

Jason  
and then he ends up, yeah, dead. I mean, it's just, which

Ian  
is crazy,

Jason  
you know? And we, and we've mentioned it with on the podcast, other people that have developed, you know, engines that can run on water and stuff like this that, you know, things that, if really brought to completely transform, they would transform the world. I mean, think of Nikola Tesla. We've talked about him with his universal energy. And if you can tap into the actual air and just draw power out of it, I mean, how does that transform the world?

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
I mean, it completely just changes the paradigm.

Stoney   
Well, you take away the control people. And that was Project Blue Beam

Jason  
project.

Stoney   
I had to look at it. It's a confirmed government project. This is not conspiracy theory. This is not anything. This is a confirmed project that the US, the US government and other governments have been gearing up for this.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
yeah. I just, I'm just, I

Stoney   
remember, that's when they were talking about all these drone sightings. And now you see all these drones are able to do these fantastic images and things.

Jason  
Well, I think some of these UAP sightings, which I think, where I think the problem is some of this is, this is. Is where the people that are pushing for disclosure. Matter of fact, have you, if you followed Steven Spielberg, is fixing to release a movie called disclosure.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
I find that funny, that how this works, that a movie is fixing to come out regarding UAPs in this whole alien thing and all this and and I know there's a lot of people out there. I know some of our listeners out there that that find this talk of aliens very offensive, because it it undermines their belief in God, and it kind of understanding their the creation of the earth, and just kind of the standard biblical narrative that a lot of Christians follow, you know, word for word. So this sort of talk makes people like that nervous, which is what this pastor, I found that interesting, that supposedly he and some, some number of high ranking pastors have been kind of brought into this kind of meeting to let them know what's coming. I've often, I've often wondered, What would full disclosure look like, you know, I mean, I had to say, go all the way back to, you know, the Close Encounters of the Third God, which is a great movie. That was a great movie, great

Ian  
movie,

Jason  
but I think it was ahead of its time, and kind of showing, you know, is there something else out there? And it appears from the reports that, yes, there is something that is definitely unexplained.

Stoney   
There's always something unexplained human nature. And this is one aspect I was going to kind of get into. There's always something unexplained. It's just gotten bigger over time. Before it was the dark, before it was a shadow, before it was this, before it was something simple. Well, now we know what the shadows are. We know what the small things are. The next thing has to be the universe. But the human brain works in a certain fashion that it hates coincidence. And I'm kind of wondering, are these cases truly connected? Are we looking for these patterns because we hate coincidence? Is that the next phase that the human brain is going through where we're going? Hey, okay, I don't like this. It doesn't make sense to me. I need to put this together so that I can understand it. And is that where a lot of these conspiracies come from, because right now, that's what we're looking at. If you look at the list of these people that have been killed, it's a it's a vast difference in a lot of them. But, well, one was by an accident. 10 of them were by accidents. This was murder. Well, a lot of times accidents can be used to murder somebody. 

Jason  
Oh, of course, absolutely.

Stoney   
Some of them are just outright, you know, plain murder. Well, okay, how do you know somebody wasn't trained or geared or made to go do something like this? Is it, is it real coincidence, or is something really happening? I want to look at that aspect. What do y'all think? Is it our brains trying to put this together, or is something really, really happening?

Jason  
I think if enough things happen that catches your attention, I think it's only natural for as rational creatures to try to make sense, and how we go about making sense of something. Well,

Stoney   
humans have always chased shadows because they want to. They want to, like you said, they want to make sense of it. So is the internet drawing the lines for us? Are we really just chasing a

Jason  
shadow? I just think we're exposed a whole lot more information now than we were before. I mean, think about it.

Stoney   
That doesn't necessarily mean a good thing.

Jason  
Well, I can be my I agree. But I mean, think about it. I mean, what the average person as a kid? I mean, I'm just thinking my own childhood, of what I was exposed to on a day to day basis.

Stoney   
I can't think that far back. So

Jason  
I mean, I mean other than what you heard on the 30 minutes,

Stoney   
Walter Cronkite, the

Jason  
news. I mean, that was it.

Stoney   
When you find out that Walter Cronkite was the CIa operative

Jason  
Well, I mean, some say it, but

Ian  
I think that, I think that humans recognize patterns. That's, I think something that's been very proven is that I think humans like to find patterns, even in things that there are no patterns that don't even have. Yeah, exactly. I think, also, I don't think that we believe, well, I think that humans have a bad way of interpreting randomness. So, like a true randomness is, could be four of the same things in a row, but we would say, No, that's not random. Could. That's it feels like it's ordered, because we see a pattern, right? And so, like, I'm not saying that's what this is, but you could have 12 in 12 individuals, like you said, coincidentally, all by accident or on purpose, or whatever, pass away, that are all in the field of science. And that could be truly rant the universe could have, randomly, in the past two, three years, killed off these people because of accidents, because of whatever else may have happened. And that could be random, but we would be like, Hmm, there's a pattern here. And then we would put our own understanding on it. That I think is also something that's very I would believe that. But also, again, I'm not to say that's what's happening here. I think there is something suspicious happening here. But what I'm saying is like, as humans, that's, I think we That's why Spotify doesn't have, like, true random shuffle. It's, it's, it's, you know, it's a tailored shuffle to make it feel like it's more real.

Stoney   
Remember when computers were coming out, one of the big things that popped out early was the true, and I'm using quotes for the listeners, random number generators.

Ian  
Oh, yeah. Do you remember that no

Stoney   
true random number generators? That was a big thing because they didn't know if they could even do and then all of a sudden, boom, there it is. Pick a number, pick a three numbers. Do you want 15? Just random numbers? And it's like, okay, really is that random?

Ian  
And true and true random, you could have randomly generate one through 15, and then it's like a random counter where it's like,

Stoney   
 it could happen, 

Ian  
yeah? When we would look at that and go, that's

Speaker 1  
not

Ian  
random, not random, that's pretty ordered, yeah, but I think that that that could be the case. But then I also think that I don't know. I don't know. I

Jason  
think the only way you really reach probably true random. I mean, we all know right now, computers are it, was it ones and zeros?

Ian  
Yeah, yeah.

Jason  
Well, and you start, you get into the quantum world, where one can be a one or zero. I think that's

Ian  
yeah, or

Jason  
both at

Jason  
the same depending.

Stoney   
Core math, to me,

Jason  
sounds like core math.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
my algebra wasn't that great. So

Stoney   
you have to think about it though this was, we're talking about that Major General. How does a major general just disappear,

Ian  
right?

Stoney   
I mean, I needed to restart going, I'm sorry, but I wanted to research into him a little further. Was he retired? Was he still an active general? Because if he was an active Major General, he had people around him. I mean, you don't just go on a hike somewhere.

Jason  
No, you

Stoney   
know that subordinates, if you're in this situation where with this type of clearance, yeah, and the work that he was doing in aerospace,

Ian  
yeah, you're not allowed to just disappear.

Stoney   
You don't just walk away, right?

Jason  
Yeah, he actually goes back a long way with a lot of things, especially with Wright Patterson Air Force Base, which is tied in, if everybody kind of remembers that, that's what. Project Blue Book,

Ian  
yeah.

Jason  
Was based,

Stoney   
somebody just mentioned that one,

Ian  
yeah.

Jason  
Project Blue Book, Project

Stoney   
Blue Book, and some other stuff came out of there too.

Ian  
And I think

Jason  
that's supposedly where the remains of Roswell,

Ian  
right?

Jason  
Ascent,

Ian  
yeah. I think that that's also the fun thing, especially with like human beings and conspiracy theory. And I've said this on the podcast before, that I feel like the place where conspiracy theory thrives is where there's just enough truth, but not all of it is revealed if there's just enough truth to a situation, if we have just enough facts about a situation, but you don't know the full picture, I feel like that's where conspiracy theories like take that, and then that's where the human mind can just go off like So this kind of situation, we have just enough facts. There's, like, some things that are tied together, but maybe not really. And I feel like there's like, you know, there's just enough area of that where it's like, we don't have like, definitive proof of everything, or if all that kind of or whatever else you may happen. Then, of course, that's all it takes to just that. And a group of people that's just like, feel that. Yes, I'm saying we start feeling it, sorry. You know, start, maybe it's

Stoney   
this pattern we can

Ian  
understand. Yeah,

Stoney   
there was even some, some people that were administrative,

Ian  
yeah,

Stoney   
that are missing our unalienable and I mean, what would an administrative person unless they're working for somebody that could see some of the real interesting stuff.

Ian  
What did they know? What

Stoney   
did they see? What did they overhear? And then, why would you do that?

Jason  
Well, as I said, I mean, one of these guys is actually somebody in, kind of in our own backyard here.

Ian  
Okay,

Jason  
yeah, Joshua Leblanc. He's one of these guys are tied with this group of missing people working on very sensitive issues. He's 29 years old. He died in a fiery crash. Yes, Tesla on July 22

Ian  
I heard about that

Jason  
2025 and he said it happened in Huntsville, Alabama. Where he was working,

Jason  
anddy was burned beyond recognition.

Stoney   
 So it was it his body.

Jason  
Well, that's Well, I mean, the fact of the matter is, they are you got

Stoney   
to think about like this if you want to disappear, yeah, if you want to truly disappear, a burning Tesla is the way to go, because there's very little that's hotter than that. Once it gets going,

Ian  
Yeah,

Stoney   
you're going to destroy everything. You're going to clean everything.

Ian  
Yeah,

Stoney   
so was it really his body?

Jason  
Well, they said his family, his family told K, L, F, y, that they feared that he had been abducted,

Ian  
whoa, and

Jason  
they had left it that he had left his phone and wallet in his home at the time of his disappearance. That, to me, makes me a little, a little

Ian  
makes

Jason  
me kind of like, just

Stoney   
that sound familiar to Major General,

Jason  
yeah. What is it, you know? Why? Because you you can track somebody with a phone. So, but

Ian  
what if they're all being co opted into a secret organization this where my it's more my

Jason  
tin foil

Ian  
hat. Hold on one second. What if they're all disappearing or being

Stoney   
a movie? What was that movie? Okay, there was a movie that came out. That was it Samuel L Jackson, no, it was, who was it? Who started kidnapping all of these scientists and stuff because he wanted to do this new world order? And what was the name of that movie?

Ian  
Continue? I'll look it up.

Stoney   
Man, I can't remember. I think it was Samuel L Jackson and it and he started kidnapping scientists, and they started putting all these little things in their head to make them explode. And,

Ian  
oh, gosh,

Stoney   
it was crazy. Oh, shoot. What was the name of that movie? But that's what it was about.

Jason  
Well, they say, with Leblond, police tracked Leblon down using the data from his Tesla sentry mode, and found that his vehicle sat at the airport in Huntsville for four hours on the morning of his death. His family said his trip West was not part of his plan for the day, and that uncharacteristically, he was not communicating with them. A LinkedIn page for LeBlanc said he worked at NASA for about five and a half years, and he was a team lead for NASA Space nuclear propulsion, instrumentation and control maturation.

Stoney   
Kingsman, Secret, secret, the secret service. Yeah,

Ian  
I see that right here.

Ian  
There's, like, it was a handful of movies that popped up, and that's why I was trying to figure out, some of them being James Bond movies. And I was like, I don't think that's

Stoney   
what he's talking about. It was actually kind of a cute little movie, okay, but it was, it was something,

Jason  
well, somebody, that's

Stoney   
what it dealt with, kidnapping scientists and starting this super organization,

Ian  
yeah.

Jason  
Another famous one that made a lot of a lot of news in the on the social media was Amy Eskridge. She worked in Huntsville. She was involved with advanced propulsion, aerospace, defense, adjacent research. It's funny about her. She had made claims that she was potentially her life was in danger.

Stoney   
Then was she supposedly committed suicide?

Jason  
Yeah, it says her death was officially rules, ruled a suicide. However, allegations later surfaced from former intelligence linked figures claiming she believed she was being targeted. And it's funny because she talks about some of the same things happening to her, to what the soldiers that were guarding Maduro Oh mentioned that was happening to them, which is interesting. She talks about directed energy weapons.

Ian  
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jason  
So I have a feeling that we've probably have been, we probably have been having directed energy weapons for now, for quite some time 

Stoney   
her field, her field was anti gravity and exotic physics claims, yes. Okay, so when, when you're looking at astrophysics and and and all of this, you're always looking at anti gravity, all of these things meld together. All of these things are kind of intertwined. That may be an interesting subject for a future podcast. How closely intertwined are that? But if you, if you look at that these, this is a researcher, and that's her specialty,

Ian  
yep. And future tech.

Stoney   
Future Tech, absolutely.

Ian  
That's crazy.

Jason  
Well, it says here, I'm reading an article in the. Irish sun, it says the department's Chief Technology Officer, Emil Michael revealed the tech in a chilling ex post on Monday, says directed energy weapons are a fine addition to our arsenal. The post read alongside an image showing laser style beam firing as a soldier clutch his head in pain, which is what exactly happened to what these soldiers that were guarding Maduro while, of a sudden, they were completely incapacitated and couldn't do nothing. So they say, according to the post the directed energy weapons use concentrated electromagnetic energy or atomic and subatomic particles to disable drones, electronic systems and even enemy troops are

Ian  
microwaving their brains,

Jason  
their microwave

Ian  
that's scary.

Jason  
Yeah, she goes. One of the most high profile figures to allegedly sound the alarm was scientist Amy Eskridge, who researched anti gravity system, UFOs and extraterrestrial life. She goes ettrich from her unsville, Alabama, recently told associates she had been attacked inside her own home with a directed energy weapon shortly before her death in 2022 she was not directly employed by NASA, but had several significant ties to the agency, through her family and her research in Huntsville.

Ian  
I'm gonna say it here on the record, I'm no longer gonna go into um, into jet propulsion or aerospace anymore.

Jason  
Yeah, I just

Stoney   
another guy worked for JPL from 1998 to 2022 and died shortly after he left. And he died on and his name is Michael Hicks, Michael David Hicks, he worked for JPL, and he specialized in asteroids, comets, Dart, deep space, all kinds of things. I think

Ian  
I read up on him as well,

Stoney   
Yep, yeah, but his cause of death has never been publicly released.

Ian  
Oh,

Stoney   
three to four years later. Hello,

Ian  
yeah, I see him right here.

Stoney   
How does that not pop up?

Ian  
Yeah.

Stoney   
I mean, okay, if he was shot, we could release that. If he had a heart attack, we could release that. Why three years later have we not put his official

Ian  
because he's being nabbed up by the

Jason  
I think

Ian  
the, what you call it,

Jason  
I think these people start talking, yeah. And basically there are people out there who does not, do not want to know, you know, doesn't want this information put out there. Because the fact of the matter is, if you have this stuff and no one else does

Ian  
right,

Jason  
then what it does your enemies don't even know where you're at, and they don't realize they're 15 steps behind you,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
when it comes to tough. Because, I mean, I think what happened in Venezuela was a wake up call,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
for the world. And I I think that's basically saying, if we want to get rid of you, we'll get rid of you.

Speaker 1  
Oh, yeah.

Jason  
And there's nothing you can do about it. You know what kind of power and leverage? Yeah, that gives you

Ian  
we'll pick up in the middle of

Jason  
night, yeah, exactly. We're gonna just basically, you know, incapacitate everybody around you.

Ian  
Yeah, there'll

Jason  
be nobody there to save you. So, you know, I think, I think DARPA is doing work,

Ian  
yeah?

Jason  
And I just think these people are, I think once you kind of in the know,

Ian  
oh yeah,

Jason  
in essence, you become dangerous. You become real dangerous,

Ian  
especially if you

Jason  
start talking. And I think that which tells me, if you know now, I'm beginning to wonder about these. Remember the episode during President Biden's administration where they had these balloons floating over the United States, and nobody was doing a thing about it. Wonder what that was all about. You know? Why did they allow that to just

Ian  
Yeah, happen?

Jason  
So

Stoney   
in the research that I was doing a number of people that work for JPL, their deaths have not been released. A number of people. I got a list of like 15 people just from JPL that are dead, and five of them, none of their things have been released. And that's just like in the last maybe 15 years. I've dared to go back even further, right, but that was just over the last couple of years, and it's, it's significant. But why aren't they releasing those things?

Ian  
I wonder. It, my mind also goes to a place of, like, some of these big organizations possibly getting new people in in these fields. And, you know, instead of just retiring you, they retire you, if you know what I mean, yeah, I mean, or, like,

Jason  
I become a liability. I just, I just think that

Stoney   
they declare you red,

Ian  
yeah, I

Jason  
mean, it's like, once you kind of know it's there,

Ian  
yeah, your liability,

Jason  
your liability, unless you're in, it's like, you, once you're in, you never leave,

Stoney   
yeah, so you know what red is, right? Retired, extremely dangerous,

Ian  
okay,

Stoney   
yeah, once you get retired, once you once you go red, it's over.

Jason  
Once you're you're aware of these sort of things. And

Ian  
reminds me of, like, old, old movies I've seen of, like, the mob, where it's like, once you're in, like, there's no getting out. Yeah, it's called blood

Stoney   
and blood,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
yeah, you never really get out. But yeah, I mean, they've got other names here, Monica, Jacinto, Risa,

Ian  
I'm sorry, but maybe, what if, like, this is a new version of, like, witness protection program, like they're not releasing the deaths because, like, they're not really dead.

Jason  
They just got relocated or something, it may be. The question is, could these be foreign actors doing this? Yeah, you're right. Be

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
I could see a number I could see Russia or China or Iran, or any of our countries that hate us would want to kill these people.

Stoney   
Or were they plants like? How many of them are missing? How many have we discussed like Anthony Chavez? He was a Los Alamos National Laboratory employee, who disappeared, May 8, 2025 tell me if this sounds familiar, wallet keys, personal items and locked car were left behind. No signs of forced entry or struggle were reported. What if they're just pulling their people back?

Ian  
Yeah,

Stoney   
get whatever information you can, and we're going to get you out of there. The guy who into the Tesla. Yeah, was that a homeless person's body in whatever country took him back to where they needed to, and now they're doing that? Yeah? And what I

Ian  
was saying was like, what if it is, like, that's the new version, like a witness protection

Stoney   
program. Melissa casayas, missing, June 26 she was another Los Alamos National, all right? Missing, June, 26 2025 last seen walking alone in TEOs County, New Mexico. Her car and belongings were found at home. All of her personal and work phones have been factory reset,

Jason  
and a lot of times, sometimes these bodies are quickly, it seems quickly, cremated,

Ian  
yep, yep, yeah,

Jason  
quick. I hate say it. What else? If I'm not mistaken, Charlie Kurt, his body was really,

Stoney   
oh, they did that within hours.

Ian  
That's crazy.

Jason  
I'm telling you, I'm I hate to say it, but I think there's a lot more there than what I don't think people are gonna like, what, what they might hear

Ian  
all right,

Jason  
on that, I think it's, I would not surprise me if there were foreign actors involved with that, I really do, and I don't want to go there, because it might fit

Ian  
that is a much bigger topic.

Jason  
 I think that's, I think, I think there's something there to that, but we'll just let that lie.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
I

Ian  
cut you off a second ago about You were saying something before I got

Jason  
mine some of the names I pulled up. Monica Jacinto Rizza,

Ian  
okay,

Jason  
she was in advanced materials Aerosmith engineering and Air Force funded alloys said. Riza reportedly disappeared while hiking in California. She had worked in advanced materials processing at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and reportedly held patents linked to Air Force funded research. Said her disappearance became widely discussed online because of her alleged professional ties to mccastle.

Ian  
Okay,

Jason  
McCaslin, the one that the other one would you talk about? They said no confirmed connection has been publicly established. Well, you know how that goes?

Ian  
Yeah.

Jason  
Matter of fact, I think she's the one that may be involved with actually creating a material that allows these rockets to escape the Earth's atmosphere.

Ian  
Okay?

Jason  
You know, for longest time I didn't realize this, we were actually using Russian rockets,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
to get us out of the atmosphere. They were ahead of us,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
in that regard. And I think we finally, I think she might have been the one that might have developed a material. Yeah, that allowed it may. I don't know if it's her, but it's gonna be one of these, these, these people were talking about,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
that was involved with actually creating the material that allowed us to actually not have to use rockets from Russia. Yeah. Another one was Steven Garcia. He's been missing since 2020 25 says public craziness.

Ian  
How recent a lot

Jason  
of these? Yeah, yeah. Garcia was described in reports as a contractor connected to sensitive government related work who disappeared under unclear circumstances. Much of discussion around his case comes from speculative media coverage rather than official disclosures.

Stoney   
But he had a high level clearance and left behind his vehicle, personal,

Ian  
okay,

Stoney   
all right, you see, we got a pattern here. Call it whatever you have, like

Ian  
a serial killer that like,

Jason  
I think I can easily see a mysterious group,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
or some, some, some actors that are, you know, not so good. Know how this game is played. Know how to set the scene, yeah. Knows how all about plausible deniability can lay it out to make it look like just some, you know, this or that and, and basically, because they know we, they can't take the phone, because phones can be tracked,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
so we, basically, they come snatch you up, they keep you, they drop all that stuff, and you just, and all of a sudden, you hear stories. Well, his keys were there, his phone was there. You know, some weirds going on. So, yeah, I mean, I you know, I mean, I know that's it's hard to go there, because then you doubt everything. But people have to understand there are groups of people that are professionals at this, yes, and can make this happen and make it look like any other normal deal. So just understand that don't completely close your mind off to it, that there are people who do this and are pretty good at it.

Ian  
Oh yeah,

Jason  
you know, they were probably

Ian  
they're pretty good at it, probably

Jason  
20 years ago, and now we're probably good at it.

Ian  
But I'm talking about like, you know, like, you know, making

Jason  
someone completely, like, the digital

Ian  
age disappear

Jason  
in our modern technological world, where we're more tracked now than ever so

Ian  
and they got ways of making you,

Jason  
I mean, between watches and phones and,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
even glasses or whatever the case may be. Well, you

Stoney   
got to think about it. Everything has serial numbers now. And tracking devices silicon boobies have Okay, serial numbers on you know, I mean that my lenses, the new toric lenses that I have in my eyes, have serial numbers on them,

Ian  
really,

Stoney   
yeah, so if something were to happen to me, they could always identify, I was just

Ian  
saying, they could look up your part in the system. I go to O'Reilly's and get myself some new torics. Uh, notorious.

Jason  
Here's another one that's kind of out of the this is more in the biotech arena. This one kind of predates this killed in 2020 being Lou, or if I'm spelling, pronouncing,

Stoney   
it sounds like an agent to me,

Jason  
l, I, L, i, u, if I'm so sorry not Lou, or how that's down, because, although outside the request that you know, that you know, outside this two, 2022 timeframe, say Lou is often included into discussions about scientists dying mysteriously. So he was a university. He was at the University of Pittsburgh. He was researching, studying covid, 19 mechanisms, cellular

Stoney   
mechanisms,

Ian  
and

Jason  
was shot and killed and what investigators describe as a murder suicide unrelated to his research. So speculation online exploded because colleagues said he was close to significant findings.

Stoney   
You got to add that particular word in there, cellular,

Jason  
yeah. So

Ian  
he got whacked, for sure.

Jason  
Question is, yeah, what would he have found? Right? Would have warranted him dying. You know

Ian  
how history would have been different if he would have?

Jason  
Well, I mean, you know, look, I mean, the whole covid thing. And, I mean, look, I've seen some, some stuff regarding covid, which I've taken the covid shot. So whatever's in that shots in me, that's the

Ian  
half life of that shot? Yeah,

Jason  
yeah. I think it affects people differently,

Ian  
yeah.

Jason  
And I can only hope that, you know, it's I'm won't suffer, yeah, two debilitating events. I hope I don't suffer any. But, I mean, I have no idea, yeah, hopefully

Stoney   
you won't get to hunt. Antivirus,

Jason  
I won't get the Hantavirus. So, I mean, it's, you know, we're in a we're in strange territory here. I mean, it's, this is it's enough. And I think this is all tied in with this UAP disclosure. And I think this is probably the biggest thing, yeah,

Stoney   
but this has been happening before Donald so President Trump announced that full disclosure this has been going on for years,

Jason  
right? Yeah, I think the idea that what was discovered at Roswell, where witnesses saw alien bodies being hauled off, is too many people have come forward and said that for them to just all be lying. I just don't understand what people would gain, considering, obviously, if You talk too much, you're gonna get whacked. I don't know why people would, would, would lie about that. I truly don't invite that sort of scrutiny on them, especially if these are people that are in the know,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
and so it's kind

Stoney   
of like that researcher or whatever said he was talking about the apostles of Christ, how badly their lives were. If you think like Jason said, you're going to bring that scrutiny onto yourself. All 12 Disciples pretty much died horrible deaths, and none of them ever stopped saying what they believed.

Ian  
Oh, yeah,

Stoney   
there's so many people coming out today that say this and basically have their lives utterly destroyed, even back in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Oh, a UFO, well, you were the town clown every Oh, that's the one who was sexually touched by aliens or something. You know, you were a joke. How many? Why would somebody come out this? Many people and say that, knowing this can now obviously, can maybe even get you killed.

Jason  
Well, I mean, do y'all remember the movie fire in the sky?

Stoney   
Yes,

Jason  
that was a true story of some loggers in I believe in Washington, I believe that they witnessed one of their co workers literally get abducted. And it's a very interesting movie. Matter of fact, the movie closes with they all pass lie detector tests. They all claim they all what they saw is what they saw.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
and from what I've read that and just kind of, I know this is kind of going out there people, so just be patient with me and give me some leeway on this. But this is just kind of what's out there, that there is a an understanding between elements of our government and extraterrestrial life, that certain people that there is a allowance of allowing human beings to be abducted.

Ian  
Okay,

Jason  
so simple, because they they understand that they really not much they can do to stop them from doing it. So I think it's probably the better way of them basically saying, Look, we'll let you do this for some just don't go crazy with it, so to speak. So, yeah, I do think that there's too many people that claim you know they've abducted by aliens and finding foreign material in their body.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
sounds like

Stoney   
a good Gavin Newsom way to end homelessness in California.

Jason  
No kidding. Sounds like

Stoney   
he'd be on

Jason  
board for that one. Now, I will say there's a lot of people that say this, all UAP stuff is nothing more than just a cover, oh yeah, for the whole EPS seen file debacle that's going on right now that is completely just dragging down this administration and how that was handled there. You know, obviously there is some international pedophile ring that is allowed to operate with impunity and and, I mean, I, I would hate to to know that there are people that are complicit and just knowingly allowing it.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
maybe it's just so big and so widespread that it's, it's literally, where do you even begin?

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
because the people that you need to act on this can't, because they themselves are compromised, or they fear for their lives or their family's lives, which I can understand.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
I really do. I mean, if it's it's easy to sit there and scream that, hey, you need to release. All this. But little do you know about if it was you're the one that could pull the trigger and your family?

Speaker 1  
Yeah,

Jason  
could be impacted by that. You know? Do you is it easier to just kind of turn your head,

Ian  
yep,

Jason  
and try to minimize it as best as you can, and understand that there's evil in this world, that it'll always be evil in this world. And

Ian  
sad part is, you're probably right about that. Yeah,

Jason  
yeah. I do. I firmly believe that there are probably many good people,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
that are labeled complicit or, you know, allowing this. Don't really know the full story of this stuff. And I know that's hard for some people to hear, because that righteousness kind of rises up and, you know, on and on, and you know, we got to root out the evil and root out the corruption. And I think at times I just think it's, it's so deep that short of basically an apocalypse. I personally don't think, like I've said, I I don't think the US government can be saved from itself. I think it's so it's so compromised, and I believe there are many international governments that are so compromised,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
that you don't have enough people that could truly fix

Ian  
right

Jason  
a problem. I really don't, yeah, start

Stoney   
over.

Jason  
Well, the question is, the only way you start over is you literally, I mean, short of an uprising,

Ian  
yeah?

Jason  
And Civil War, where everything disintegrates,

Ian  
yeah?

Jason  
And a new political order arises out of that. I don't I just, I don't see right now, all you're doing is manipulating the margins. You're not really changing the core problem of what

Stoney   
was that Ronald Reagan statement? You know you need to change diapers and politicians often for the same reason, right?

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
yeah, what's that reason?

Ian  
Gets full of shit.

Stoney   
That's right, and we're at that point now. We have to do something about we have to tell our these politicians and people have got to stop using the word leader. They're not our leaders. They are our representatives, and we have, we've got to take that back, and I think it's going to be something major that does that.

Ian  
We're approaching 250 years since the Declaration of Independence. I

Jason  
find it interesting that our 250th birthday, and then all of a sudden, all this stuff

Ian  
about, yeah,

Jason  
UAPs is coming out. And just, I think that I

Ian  
was thinking, I was talking with a friend of mine recently about some of that stuff, and I was like, man 250, years and I think that our forefathers would probably be turning over very upset with the way things have been, how things have slowly evolved. The I know this isn't like, a true analogy, but like, but people would still use it as, like, the the frog in the in the boiling water in the pot slowly get into a critical point, and it's, it's what I feel like. It's happening. I don't think, I don't think, I mean, yes, there are, I think there, are some like, you know, pin moments, where you can say, these are where things change. This is where things change. But I do think that it's been a gradual process, getting comfortable with this, getting okay with talking about that, getting okay not saying this, and, you know, slowly but surely, getting to where we are right now. But that's crazy.

Jason  
I mean, there's a lot, I think more and more is going to come out. Oh yes, I think we're not done with this. This is something we're going to be hearing about.

Ian  
Yeah, be

Jason  
very curious about this UAP disclosure, and what all this is, you know, Trump promises he's going to, he's going to declassify all this and order the defense, the War Department, to release what, you know, whatever class, yeah, but my understanding, they've already kind of passed the deadline. So I think they are, they're forces that are going to resist, or they may give superfluous type information, and not really the information, because I was listening to one guy. He was saying, what I want to see is, I want you to release the classified interviews with actual pilots who saw these objects

Stoney   
right?

Jason  
Saw them operate two things,

Stoney   
Apollo guys saw stuff do, do they got shut down,

Jason  
do things that obviously defy normal, our normal understanding of how physics operates. I mean the idea of objects instantaneously starting from zero to how. Hypersonic speeds at a split second.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
that mean that as of right now, that's just beyond our material science of what materials could withstand that

Stoney   
that's true. But what if it goes into we had some conversations with X man about, what if it's mental? What if it's consciousness? What if they've gone to this to where they don't need to worry about what the materials are? What if it's all conscious powered? What if it's something else, even beyond our understanding?

Jason  
Well, it could be. And I do know, I mean, you'd mentioned it earlier that some of these people have been working on anti grav and and and I think our, our country, has been working on anti graph technology price since World War Two.

Stoney   
Well, since they got the Nazis

Jason  
and stuff that now, if, if they have mastered anti graph, then I could, I could see them producing propulsion systems, in essence, if you necessarily put, like, a an anti graph, like, you know, bubble around an object,

Ian  
yeah?

Jason  
Then, of course, it can, it's like being out in space,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
then you can immediately

Ian  
have no inertia, yeah,

Jason  
there's nothing slowing you down. So, you know, maybe there could be some connection with that. But

Stoney   
one of the questions I got for you guys is, if there's nothing suspicious about this that's going on, why are members of Congress asking all of these questions? Now these are members of Congress coming out and asking questions. Obviously, because they're they're asking these questions. Does not prove a conspiracy, but it does mean that the issue has moved beyond random internet threads. Yeah, this is, like, serious what's going on? We got some serious questions about these people. You know,

Jason  
there's congressional testimony. So this is not hidden. This is not kind of weird stuff. This is actually people having congressional hearings with Congress. You know people talking to these people, going, have you seen UAPs? Have you seen this? Have you seen that? Yes, no, this is this. This is that. So this is stuff that's out there. I mean, this is not made up. This is real, and we have to, I think we need to wrap our minds around that this is real. Now, I know I was listening to one congressman. I can't think of his name right now, but he mentioned on interview, he goes, if, if people knew what I have seen,

Ian  
oh yeah,

Jason  
it would keep them up all night.

Ian  
Oh yeah, they wouldn't sleep. Yeah.

Jason  
So what? What does that mean?

Ian  
Oh yeah,

Jason  
I don't know.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
I mean,

Ian  
what do you know?

Jason  
You know? I mean,

Ian  
you better keep yourself quiet. You're gonna get disappeared.

Jason  
 I think to me, as I'm saying, if, if you got, if you've made, if you've mastered directed energy weapons, you could be attacked. You would not know what, what's going on, you wouldn't, you know, I just, you'd just be sitting in your house, I don't know.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
mentioned, I

Ian  
think we've mentioned our buddy Brandon, who's been on a couple episodes. And I think the most recent one that he was on a couple years back, I think he talked about that kind of stuff, where he was, like, I was developing some sort of stuff. Yeah, exactly. And he's like, I got approached by foreign people, and I turned him down. And all of a sudden, some things started going not so well for me in a lot of in a lot of ways, secretly. And, you know, I'm not going to tell his story for him, but, like, but again, even in his right, he

Jason  
was, he was attacked by some sort of energy, yeah, weapon,

Ian  
right?

Ian  
And so it's like, that was a couple years ago,

Jason  
right? Let alone, Yeah, who knows back? And I think when he said that actually happened,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
that happened, like, a long time ago, right?

Ian  
It

Jason  
wasn't like, recent,

Ian  
yeah.

Jason  
So, yeah, so, yeah, we, I think, unfortunately, these people know things. They who knows, you never know what conversations they said, you know, you could be having a crisis of conscience, because I can't, you know, very continue with this stuff. Know what y'all gonna do with it?

Ian  
Yeah, I can't pretend like

Jason  
I don't know, and I says, Yeah, I can almost see it in a, you know, in a in a conference room, say, I'm going to go talk about this,

Ian  
yeah.

Jason  
And then mysteriously, somehow, they leave their keys phone, and they died by a self inflicted gunshot wound. Yeah? Well,

Ian  
his car burned up in flames, burned up

Jason  
in flames. So it just happens to be this, these people in these fields, okay? Well, you know, I don't want to be too much of a conspiracy theorist, but I think there's some legs to this thing.

Stoney   
No, what's wrong with being a conspiracy theorist right now? They're up 72 to nothing.

Jason  
Well, Stoney, you are. Or venture to say you're probably on good solid ground with that right now that,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
keep pushing you, keep pushing the envelope. And I just think it's, I think people, I think people don't want to go there,

Ian  
right?

Jason  
I think it frightens people,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
if they really knew the world, I think it would frighten people. I think people have a self constructed view of reality, and if I shake that up,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
that puts me in a bad place.

Ian  
Yeah, you don't want to live in fear. It's pretty easy. I feel like to what if, and to, like, get yourself worked up and stuff like that. So sometimes I feel like ignorance is bliss. In that regard, they

Stoney   
want to live in their own safe little bubble

Jason  
exactly,

Stoney   
and don't pop my bubble.

Jason  
I just it's

Ian  
interesting.

Jason  
Yep, I think you're

Ian  
right, though. I think this is just the beginning of what we're probably gonna hear some more about this later,

Jason  
especially

Stoney   
on this show. Welcome to the retrospect podcast. You're right. We've got some bubbles to pop.

Jason  
Basically, I like that, that, that last scene of the first season of The X Files,

Ian  
okay,

Jason  
when Mulder is talking to, obviously, some high up, you know, Guy and some secret part of the government, and I think he, you know, indicates, goes, you know, are they here? And the guy says, they've always been here.

Ian  
Wow, scary.

Jason  
So yeah,

Ian  
buckle up. Thank you so much for listening. Everyone. If you want to try and give us your your suggestions or your comments, or what you think about this episode, or again, if you want to hear something specifically, we got some comment sections on YouTube, on Spotify, where you can leave some more short form responses, or email addresses getoffendedtogether@gmail.com, where you can send some more long form responses. Be sure to like and subscribe wherever you listen or whatever your favorite platform is. We're we're most likely on it. Try and find us and share the episode or share the show with someone you think would also be equally interested or just as frustrated as you about this show or these topics, and until next week, thank you so much for listening. Bye, bye,

Jason  
goodbye everyone, and God bless

Stoney   
we're not here to crown every tragedy a conspiracy, but we're also not here to Pat our listeners on the head and say move along. Nothing to see here, when scientists, engineers, doctors and researchers tied to sensitive work start showing up dead or missing, the adult thing to do is ask better questions, not louder ones. The question is not whether every shadow is a monster. The question is whether we still have the courage to turn on the light. Thank you for joining us here today, you're the best. Peace.