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Hantavirus Outbreak On MV Hondius | Retrospect Ep.239

May 18, 2026 • Ian Wolffe / Stoney / Jason / Miranda • Episode 239

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In this week’s episode we discussed the recent hantavirus outbreak linked to the cruise ship MV Hondius. What happened onboard, how health officials are responding, and why experts say the public risk remains low. We break down the science behind the rare Andes virus strain, the international quarantine efforts, and what this incident reveals about disease containment in a post-pandemic world.

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Hantavirus outbreak, MV Hondius, Andes strain, respiratory symptoms, bio-containment facilities, public health, cruise ship, rodent waste, mortality rate, Moderna research, lab break-in, contact tracing, media hype, government influence, public fear.
Jason
The ocean has always carried ghosts. In 2026 a luxury Antarctic cruise became the center of a growing antivirus outbreak after passengers aboard the Dutch expedition ship MV Hondius began developing severe respiratory symptoms. What started as an isolated illness quickly escalated into quarantines, international monitoring, and reported deaths tied to the Andy strain of hantavirus, one of the few known strains capable of limited human to human transmission. Health officials moved exposed passengers into bio containment facilities across the United States and Europe, while investigators raced to track contacts spread across multiple countries, and suddenly a virus most people barely knew existed was dominating global headlines, but antivirus isn't new. The disease first shocked America during the 1993 Four corners outbreak. When healthy young adults mysteriously died after their lungs filled with fluid, investigators traced the source back to deer mice and airborne rodent waste. Since then, Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome has carried a mortality rate of roughly 35 to 40% making it one of the most deadly respiratory viruses regularly encountered by humans in cruise ships, they're floating incubators, shared ventilation, confined quarters, delayed medical access 1000s of miles from help. The fear surrounding this outbreak isn't just about the virus itself, it's the reminder that modern civilization is far more fragile than people want to believe. One rodent, one ship, one missed warning, and suddenly humanity is reminded that nature still has ways of reaching us, even in the middle of the open sea.

Ian
welcome to the Redfordspect podcast, a show where people come together from different walks of life and discuss a topic from their generation's perspective. My name is Ian, and as always, I'm joined by Stoney.

Stoney
Hello,

Ian
Jason.

Jason
Hello, everyone.

Ian
We got a very special guest today. It's been a long time.

Stoney
Hotty Doctor,

Ian
welcome back.

Ian
It's been too long. How are you?

Miranda
Minute, it's been good.

Ian
Good to hear. How are you guys? Everything been going okay this past week?

Ian
Haven't been too crazy.

Stoney
It's crazy.

Ian
Okay, it's crazy.

Jason
Well, you know, things have been going pretty good for me. I mean, just right now we're still looking for a house.

Ian
I had a delivery truck get stuck in my yard. Oh, wow, I have a pretty big oak tree out in the front of my house, and there's one branch that kind of hangs - it's like a horseshoe driveway, and so one area, one side's okay, but the other side of the driveway, there's a branch that sticks kind of across it, and bigger trucks can't get underneath it, and this poor, poor delivery driver, I went to the wrong house, my house was not the right one, but was going to go to my neighbor, just like they were using you as a turbo, well, well, that's the thing. So, they, that's what they thought. And then, of course, they pull in, notice that they can't get underneath the tree branch. They tried to do a little three point turnaround, but it was one of those, it was one of the big delivery trucks. And so, needless to say, I got a, I got a knock on the door while it was pouring down rain, saying, "Hey, my manager's gonna come through here and fix this, but I'm sorry, and I was like, "Hey, no big deal, I get it. It's not like you don't purpose. It was like, later in the evening, it was dark, it was raining, and I was like, "You just go back, go do your thing. That's, hey, that's fine. I gave him my phone number. It was like, no harm, no harm, no foul. But

Jason
anything, you got your pet, you did you get your

Jason
package,

Ian
it was my next-door neighbor, but again, so I didn't not only done that, not get anything, but they also tore up the driveway. But the good thing is that the guys came out here, and of course, they, you know, they patched it up real nice. That's about, that's about the most, most exciting thing that happened for me. So, yeah, you know, yeah,

Stoney
I want to start this off.

Ian
Okay,

Stoney
with some statistics. The odds of dying from Hantavirus is one in 30 to 35 million. The odds of dying from a lightning strike are one in 15 to 20 million. The odds of dying in a car accident is one in eight to 9000 The odds of dying from a medical error are one to 1400 So, if someone's telling you to panic right now,

Ian
okay,

Stoney
they're lying.

Ian
Okay, I see.

Stoney
Okay. And on top of this, there's only one exception to the rule that Hantavirus does not go between people, and that's. And Andy's strain,

Ian
what we're talking about,

Stoney
that's what we're talking about, the Hanta virus is a number of viruses,

Ian
right, right,

Stoney
kind of grouped into that one thing, so I just wanted to start that off, because this, this whole thing, and there's a reason by it, and I'm trying to find my second statistic here,

Ian
I think it's just, it's just the it's COVID all over again. Everyone else, everyone gets scared.

Stoney
This is 2026 Covid was in 2020 Ebola was in 2014 swine flu was in 2008 SARS was in 2002

Ian
You're right, right.

Stoney
What do those years have in common?

Stoney
Elections, elections, and midterms. Okay, so really, okay, so the bullshit factor is pretty thick on

Jason
this. I think they're gonna have a problem with, you know, trying to do

Stoney
what convinces people that it's another COVID.

Jason
Now, I will say this hanta virus is a lot scarier than COVID.

Stoney
Oh, absolutely.

Jason
I mean, you know, I mean, the reality is antivirus is like up there with Ebola in kind of these things you hear about, right? You have horror stories.

Stoney
Well, the good part of it is only one strain that can go from human to human. The rest of it is you're playing with mice. Stop playing with mice, or stop, you know.

Jason
I think people, people probably remember in the news was about a year or so back that Gene Hackman's wife died of Hanta virus.

Stoney
Yes, but they also have found that tunnel under their house now. Was she messing around in that tunnel? And were there mice in there? It comes from the urine and the feces of mice becoming airborne,

Jason
correct? It's

Stoney
you're walking in it, blowing in it, whatever you're doing, dusting however, and it gets into your system. Hotty doctor can better tell us how all this happens. He can

Jason
talk about the science better than we can. I

Stoney
can do the bullshit statistics. I'm sure Jason will have some of his own, but the hottie doctor here is for the doctor part of it. So, have I said anything that was incorrect? That to your knowledge,

Miranda
let me get started.

Ian
She's put on her seatbelt, get buckled up. Yeah, I get you, but yeah, I think what you're talking about, like we said a second ago, is I think a lot of it has to do with, you know, it's just as the next big - there's two

Stoney
forms,

Ian
virus -

Stoney
there's one in the Americas and there's one in Europe and Asia, correct? And the Americas is lungs, heart, and blood vessels, and the one in Europe and Asia is kidneys and blood vessels. So the blood vessels play a part in both of them, but one attacks kind of different organs. Exactly,

Miranda
disease of blood vessels.

Stoney
Yes. So now here's the next thing. There's a rumor going around that Moderna knew about this because two years ago they started researching the hantavirus, and supposedly now that this has popped out, their stock has gone up 10 to 20%

Ian
of course.

Stoney
So, we've done some research on that, and we can't prove that they knew it was going to happen, but they did start researching it, and their stock is up 8% in the last two months.

Miranda
And let's not forget that in December 2024 there was a huge lab break in Queensland, Australia, and there was 323 missing vials of deadly viruses at that point, two of which were Hantavirus, the other ones were one that is a horse virus named Hendra, and it has a 57% mortality rate, and the other one is called a Lysa virus, and it's very similar to rabies, and it is almost 100% fatal.

Ian
Do we know the rate, the rage virus? Do we know, like, where, how they was, they just like misplaced, or was they stolen,

Miranda
or they have no clue.

Ian
Oh, great,

Miranda
they have no clue

Stoney
sort of like some of the scientists that we talked about last week just have disappeared. Nobody knows where they are.

Jason
It's scary to think that they're actually people out there trying to perfect some of these disasters waiting to happen. I mean, I, I mean, I mean to say that I mean we could sit here and say, well, yeah, your chance of getting Hannah virus is low, and thank God it is. But the reality is human beings have a way of manipulating things in nature to change them. Yeah,

Stoney
well, you have to think about this too. Why is this news? Where did the latest outbreak happen?

Ian
A cruise ship,

Stoney
a cruise ship, and what news has come out now with ICE and the Justice Department raiding the Disney cruise finding 20 plus. Us pedophiles and child traffickers on the ship,

Ian
really.

Stoney
So, what are they trying to keep quiet?

Ian
Well,

Stoney
oh, look at the hunt of virus over here, it's going to kill everybody. While Disney has now been exposed for child trafficking, and I have to throw that out there, because this is not conspiracy, this is real. They have, they stopped the ship and pulled the people off of the ship. A Disney cruise line,

Jason
it's

Miranda
diversionary.

Stoney
It's diversionary.

Miranda
If people are going to Google and they're typing in cruise conspiracy or cruise news, oh

Ian
yeah,

Miranda
you know, Disney doesn't want the negative press.

Ian
We've talked about that 100 times.

Stoney
Yes, we have.

Ian
Watch what my right hand's doing. You're not seeing what my left hand's actually doing.

Stoney
And this is a pure case in point. And it just so happens to also be in the midterms,

Ian
of course.

Miranda
Now, what really smells about all of this is that,

Ian
and it's not just the rat poop.

Stoney
Sorry, I'm sorry, that was a good one,

Miranda
but that's the thing,

Ian
is this

Miranda
cruise, this was not your little $2,000 leaving from New Orleans or Galveston Island cruise, this was a cruise where people were spending 1020, or more $1,000 to attend, it was an explorer type of cruise,

Ian
really,

Miranda
and patient zero was a professor from, he was a Dutch, Dutch man professor who actually studied birds, and so they're trying to have this nice little package story that this 70 year old Dutch couple decided to take this for them, it was a $20,000 cruise, go there, and two days before they get on the cruise ship, they're hanging out in a garbage pit, you know, they're hanging out in a dump. And have you ever been to a dump? Yeah, they're not pleasant, you're not getting down close to the, you're not breathing and stuff at the ground level, you know. And it's like, if they're bird watching, they weren't, they weren't going to be sitting on the ground, like,

Ian
yeah,

Miranda
there's just, there's something really hinky about that whole situation, and then when you look at cruise ships, have very specific standard operating procedures on how to handle if somebody gets sick, and they are supposed to identify any potential outbreaks right away, and not only did they just, they came out publicly, and they said this man died of natural causes, even though three people had died already, or were sick, and they could see that it was a problem, they just, it was kind of covered up or mishandled right from the get-go, and wife gets on a plane, to you know, to return with her husband's body. She then we have to contact trace her with 114 more people that she was sitting with, and all the other people that were on that cruise ship. We've got this one fellow that was sitting there making videos, a blogger from Massachusetts.

Stoney
Yes,

Miranda
Jake Rosemary,

Stoney
go ahead,

Miranda
and you know, you look at that, there was what is 136 people on that cruise,

Stoney
and it's not his first time,

Miranda
it's not his first time, because he used to do all the COVID videos,

Stoney
they believe he was a plant, really, on the ship,

Miranda
but think about this, all the people on that cruise, there's only one person out there crying on the media, crying, making all these videos. One person, you don't think if all those other people were held in quarantine on the boat, someone else

Stoney
had their phones. Oh yeah, everything.

Miranda
Yep, but his sister works for Hagerty Consulting, which is a company that was created during Covid, and whose primary client is the federal government, and that their job is to respond to disasters during the middle of them,

Jason
of course.

Miranda
Interesting.

Ian
Yeah, he definitely sounds like he sounds like a plant to me, but

Stoney
I mean it's like you said, watch this hand while this hand's doing something else.

Ian
My right hand's putting on the shows, you're not seeing with my left hand.

Miranda
He's still, he's on all the news channels right now, because he's in quarantine for 45 days at the University of Nebraska Hospital, and he's still doing interviews.

Stoney
But magically, the whole ship now everybody's gone. Why aren't they quarantining those people? Why are they only quarantining one or two or three people

Ian
that I is

Stoney
this guy under a self-induced quarantine.

Ian
I haven't watched, like, his.. I've heard of this person, I haven't watched his stuff online, but the first thing that came, the friends that I have that had talked about it, were like, if you.. he was like crying about needing to get back home, and seeing his family, and I'm like, I believe me when I say, obviously, as a person who does not have, you know, a wife or child or children, yeah, I do have people I care about, but yeah, yes, one day I'd love for that, we're hoping, yeah, but, but what I'm saying is like, if I had some sort of like very bad illness. And like I was not only, if I was probably forced to be quarantined, I would want to be quarantined, because I don't want my family to catch that, I don't want to, if I, if this is what's gonna, if I can, if by me quarantining, I can help, not only figure out how to help myself or help other people out, I don't, maybe that's just a me thing, and I'm, you know,

Miranda
but all these people aren't quarantined, and that's the problem, they've been very selective,

Ian
interesting,

Miranda
and now they're having to go back and do contact tracing for some of the people that have gone through different airports and different flights, of course, and they've died, so they can't even go in there now and ask them, okay, where have you been and who have you been in contact with?

Ian
Interesting,

Miranda
okay, the whole thing is just it's a little strange, and then we see videos like Atlanta airport, where they've got people in the hazmat suits, which even aren't the right hazmat suits, they're in hazmat suits, all on the all on the tarmac, doing stuff, and then you'll see this bloke just walking along with no, no protective gear at all, it doesn't care, that's the

Stoney
hurricanes.

Ian
Oh yeah,

Stoney
where they're blowing and things are flying by them, and you see the two guys in flip flops walking by, you know, because somebody's making this shit

Ian
up. Yeah, you can tell who the locals are from the tourists,

Stoney
you know. There's two types, the Americas disease form is HPS, and the Europe Asian is HFRS. I want to make sure I get that right, because there have been 890 reported US hantavirus disease cases from 93 to 23 859 of those are the American version HPS cases, 31 of them are the other type coming from Europe or Asia, 35% are deaths of those cases, and this is interesting, 94% of those cases come from west of the Mississippi.

Stoney
Yeah,

Jason
you know what state is the highest?

Stoney
No,

Jason
Colorado.

Stoney
Oh, okay. I believe that the second distribution is 62% male and 38% female, and the median age is 38

Jason
Well, I well, interesting. Yeah, Colorado is the highest antivirus rate in the United States since 1993 The state recorded 121 cases and 45 deaths. Wow,

Ian
they say why that, like, why Colorado specifically?

Miranda
Four Corners area is a hot spot. California is a hot spot.

Ian
I see

Miranda
you want to kind of think of drier areas with arid climates.

Ian
Yeah,

Miranda
that have

Jason
that just dries the road and excrement, and it gets in the air and aerosols it, you know. And

Stoney
well, there's a lot of farm animals, there's animals, farm animals and farms, and just a lot of mice in those areas. I mean, I lived in Colorado for a while, and there was lots of mice. We actually had a lot of fun with infrared pellet guns at night time, going to people's barns and shooting all the mice and rats that were there. We, you know, that was kind of fun, actually.

Jason
They say researchers modeling the cruise ship outbreak estimated a reproduction number approaching 2.7 on board before containment measures began, meaning one infected person may have spread the virus to nearly three others in the confined ship environment,

Stoney
but was this the Andes strain? They still haven't come out, they're

Miranda
saying that it's the Andes strain, but they still haven't been able to prove that it even came.

Stoney
See, there's only one that you can go from human to human, and that's the Andes strain,

Miranda
requires prolonged contact. It's not, it's not like COVID, that you can just sneeze.

Stoney
It's being around a sick person who's spewing all over you, you have to get bodily, you have to get bodily fluid. So, what were these people doing, touching each other?

Ian
Interesting,

Jason
that I don't know.

Miranda
Maybe there was a lot of pineapples on the door on that

Stoney
crow, upside-down pineapples. Yeah,

Ian
or I mean, could it, could potentially something like that happen? Like, well, I don't know. This is speculation. Could something like that be expedited in, like, a pool scenario, like a lot of, like, open water, where, like, you are, you know, if a person who has a virus is in, like, a body of water with a lot of other people, and I'm like, you know,

Stoney
sticking water only be the Andes version, that's the only one, even in a pool situation, even touching somebody, whatever, so if they can't prove that it's the Andes, yeah, then maybe there was a bunch of mice on this ship, I can see that maybe they've

Miranda
said they've come out and said that there were no mice on the ship, but have you ever been on a boat that didn't have mice

Stoney
every time because they're when. You go to these other countries, you're, you're resupplying,

Ian
yeah.

Stoney
How easy or hard would it be, for you know,

Ian
now we're going back to like, like the Black Plague era, of like the

Stoney
Black Plague is kind of reminiscent of this, because that's what it was, it was the mice and the poop and everything,

Ian
and then again, a ship would come on, and then the rodents would

Stoney
get and take for the rodents to the next place, and

Miranda
well, that was the fleas, the Yesenia pestle, that was the fleas on the rats, and you know, but

Stoney
it still revolved around rats and mice,

Miranda
absolutely,

Ian
the transport, the import and export of mice,

Jason
yes, they said the route is why these epidemiologists have become alarmed, said the ship wasn't just moving through ports, it was moving through isolated ecological zones filled with dense sea bird colonies, rodent-prone supply areas, harsh storage environments, and remote islands where medical infrastructure is minimal, they're still trying to determine whether exposure originated in Argentina before departure on board the ship itself or somewhere during the South Atlantic Island crawl, so they don't know, and that's straight from the World Health Organization, so they don't, they're still trying to track it down, it's a good chance the guy was infected for him, got on the

Stoney
ship. Yes,

Jason
I mean, so

Miranda
well, he visited that, that dump two days prior to the ship's leaving port. So it was, it was, if that was the case, that was the point of infection. It was prior to the boat, but, like I said, nope, nobody's been able to prove that that's what it is, even, or where it's from, is

Ian
there like a, I guess, do we know like how long the I don't know what you call

Stoney
this incubation to get into that now, and one of the things I kind of looked into

Ian
the word I was gonna use the word gestation, but I was like that

Stoney
works because it's so rare that it's actually kind of hard to get some early diagnosis on it, so most of your symptoms start with fever, fatigue, muscle aches, headache, chills, dizziness, gastrointestinal symptoms, such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain. What does this sound like,

Miranda
a cold or a flu? A

Stoney
cold or a flu. So, does it really get, you know, and now with this, you know, for us in America, you can get the respiratory symptoms, and shock can even occur on that. So, your, your gestation or incubation period is about one to six weeks with Andy's virus strain may have symptoms onset around four to 42 days after exposure,

Miranda
that's why they're holding people for 45 days, but I'm going to say this. The World Health Organization came out either two or three days ago and said, and I'll quote, "One of the symptoms is having no symptoms. Remember that back in the COVID

Ian
familiar. Okay,

Miranda
so what are they setting up here?

Ian
Yeah,

Miranda
what are they setting up?

Jason
They say the big departure here was one of the most significant stops on this cruise occurred at St. Helena on april 24 where more than 20 passengers disembarked and flew internationally before the outbreak outbreak was officially recognized, and they traveled all over the world. So, I mean, it's like that's how it,

Ian
it

Jason
kind of reminds me of that movie when they redid the planet of the apes and the simian flew, and at the very end of the movie, they showed a map, and they showed all the planes going to different parts of the world, how plague spreads, and stuff like that. But I mean, look, what worries me about any of this stuff is, unfortunately, we do have powers that are trying to make this stuff into a weapon, just like they've made, they used anthrax during World War One, or, you know, it, so we hope we hope that it's, it's just, you know, a tragic situation that this is not the result of some more malicious

Stoney
test, but that's that's their, that's their, I don't know, crap, brain damage, I can't remember, that's their justification or rationale for for trying to turn these into super bugs. Well, if we don't do it, somebody else is going to do it. So we need to go ahead and find the cure now, and that's how they're rationalizing making these into something else, and because they're protecting us when they're actually

Ian
right,

Stoney
and the hantavirus kind of, I did like a little timeline on it. It's around the Korean War, I think it's been going on considerably longer than that, but it was really identified in the Korean War. A lot of our soldiers were getting. It, and you know, back then again, the foundation of antiviral via virology came out in 76 and 78 when they started really looking at it as a problem.

Ian
Yeah,

Stoney
so interesting.

Jason
Yeah, for real, 23 nationalities were reflected on that boat, a lot of really, yeah,

Stoney
and there is actually a vaccine for

Ian
it. Okay,

Stoney
that came out in 1990 and that was from South Korea.

Miranda
Well, almost all the cases worldwide do come from East Asia. China is the number one country in the world for cases. They have several 1000 a year. East Asia has several 1000 a year, you know. When you kind of go down the breakdown,

Ian
yeah,

Miranda
Europe has several 1000 annually. Smallest amount is in South America,

Ian
so yeah,

Miranda
even Canada has 168 cases since 1984

Jason
So

Miranda
it's everywhere,

Jason
so are you saying, like, I think I heard something that the variant that's in Europe and in Asia is a hemorrhagic, hemorrhagic, if I'm pronouncing that right, vert, you know, kind of a,

Miranda
they both have that property, but that one does tend to attack the kidneys more, right, and then the one that we're dealing with tends to attack the lungs more,

Jason
okay,

Ian
and I think we also kind of, I think we had mentioned this when we kind of brought this up, like as a topic we were talking about it, and how, like, I think that I think we had mentioned you were, you had mentioned something about Covid being like a predisposition to hantavirus, because obviously COVID attack scene, yeah, yeah, yeah, attacking your, or weakening your, probably your lungs, or something along those lines, making it more, making you more susceptible to that.

Miranda
If you look at the situation, COVID vaccine injection insert, the drug insert, it actually lists antivirus as a side effect, as a potential side. Okay,

Stoney
there's 35 pages of side

Jason
effects. Stoney said he shared that. Well, you got to be kidding

Ian
me. Yeah,

Stoney
so back in September 2023 Korea University and Moderna started researching, guess what, mRNA of vaccines, and in 2024 Korea University announced full-scale collaboration with Moderna on the mRNA-based tanta vaccine development. 2024 2026 the vaccine research continues in preclinical and early human trial settings, and MV Hindus, and Hinduists Andy's virus cluster drew global attention. Now you notice all of a sudden everything has to be the mRNA vaccines.

Ian
Yeah,

Stoney
okay, this is what they're putting into our systems to kill us. It's all based on RNA, RNA, and DNA,

Ian
right?

Stoney
And we kind of went into that on another episode. The differences between that, and we kind of went in depth on that. Check that episode out. I wish I could remember what the name of it was, but it's something.

Ian
Yeah,

Stoney
it's definitely something. This is, this is especially for a midterm,

Ian
of course,

Stoney
and all that major election term when everybody's fighting, and

Ian
my phone has been blowing up. I've been getting just text messages from every political party trying to, trying to swindle me into something right now, but yeah,

Miranda
but you know, I always like to look at what if there's information on the cures, because vaccines don't cure anything, and there is, there are said, there are several studies that show that there is a protein from red algae called Griffiths, and

Stoney
yes,

Miranda
and in in vitro studies with that, with that protein from red algae, it protects, it reduces viral load by 99.9% in animals, and it protects 80% of them from having a lethal infection, so

Stoney
red algae,

Miranda
red algae,

Ian
interesting,

Miranda
but guess what, red algae tablets, because they're probably pennies, that's not any money.

Jason
I'm looking now at a video on on X regarding the thing you had mentioned about the hazmat suits at the plane, and then the guy walks across. I'm looking at it right now. Yeah, it's just hilarious.

Miranda
I sent Stoney one earlier of the bus driver driving all the hazmat folks out there, and he's just sitting in his bus driving with no protective equipment and. They're all getting driven back with all their stuff on.

Ian
I went to the store this past week, and I saw someone with a face mask and a shield over their face, and I was like, I mean, I'm not to say, not to judge the person, maybe they're going through something, but it was another one of those things where I was like,

Miranda
we have people at the office that have never stopped wearing face masks, COVID, absolutely

Ian
interesting,

Jason
that

Ian
it really got to people.

Jason
Well, it goes back to what I said. People will, when, when fear,

Stoney
it comes back down to Bonnifer's theory.

Jason
Fear will make people do things they think they would never do. I'm a firm believer in that. I think people say certain things, but really, if the screws were really put to you, I think you'd do a lot of things you probably wouldn't think you would do. I really do.

Ian
Yeah,

Jason
I mean, I've always said if

Stoney
Covid wouldn't do that,

Jason
I said if Covid was the mortality rate at 50% across all age groups, how do you think society would react? Nobody would leave their house, the entire, the whole world economy would come to a crashing halt. That's what I'm saying. It's just, I mean, we would, because we're all in about self preservation. I mean, so,

Miranda
but it kind of did, because early on they were inflating what the death rate was, and you know, having everybody panic about being hooked up on ventilators, yeah,

Stoney
and that was what was killing them,

Miranda
but now we learn that it's like only 1% of people that got COVID had any serious complications from it.

Stoney
Well, I just found out they didn't

Miranda
say that during it,

Stoney
that I had a friend who had gone skydiving, and his parachute did not open, and when his wife looked at the death certificate, he died of hantavirus

Ian
recently,

Stoney
just like this weekend,

Ian
really.

Stoney
Yes, yep. California,

Ian
that's crazy.

Stoney
And remember that people in car accidents were dying of COVID, people falling off the ladder were dying of COVID.

Ian
Yeah,

Stoney
so it's already starting.

Miranda
Well, you know, I like linguistic terms, and I found it kind of ironic that the word Hanta is a Hebrew term that is used as slang to refer to a scam, a lie, or nonsense. No

Ian
way, nonsense virus,

Jason
that's unbelief. You wonder, how? Yeah, that's.. I would find it very interesting when somebody identifies, identified this virus, and they will utilize that, that sort of terminology for it,

Ian
yeah, or if that's where it comes from, unless it comes from, you know, some other, you know, but that is funny, how the correlation, or the two things could be, the two words can mean different things,

Jason
Miranda, you did mention all the four cases, right?

Miranda
I mentioned three. What I had found was that there was seven cases from the cruise ship so far, and three deaths.

Jason
Okay, yeah, I'm just kind of looking at the World Health Organization report, and they have case one, case two, case three and case four. I thought that was more than that, but

Miranda
there are seven cases from this cruise ship, like I said, Ground Zero, Patient Zero, and Patient Two were the Dutch couple. And then there was somebody else that went to France, so now we have hantavirus in France, and I think the other one might be Italy,

Ian
okay, and they're not being quarantined. Is that, or is that what

Miranda
there's very inconsistent information on on that, because it sounds like most people, they were quarantined on the ship long enough for that fellow to make all those whiny videos, and then they just kind of let them free, so they're all going through airports, they're not following any standard protocols, and now they're trying to backtrack and panic, but they're only backtracking and panicking when the news cameras are rolling.

Ian
Of course, that's right. How it happens,

Jason
just

Ian
unfortunately, that's how

Jason
you know that's what bothers me about a lot of this, is we've become so jaded, I just wonder when there's really truly a medical emergency, will people pay attention? That's what concerns me about some of this stuff that is sort of like crying wolf.

Ian
Oh yeah, the boy who cry wolf, yeah,

Jason
boy who cries wolf, and then eventually when the wolf does finally come, nobody believes you, and also the wolf devours you. I kind of worry about that, that you know there's going to be something out there, you know it, that people are just going to say no, it's all bullshit, you know, and just sudden it's going to

Stoney
think of. Out here in South Louisiana, we got a hurricane coming. We have a party because we're not as scared of it as sometimes as we should be. And then, same way, this is, but I wonder if these higher power people aren't counting on that for when the right one really does come along.

Ian
Oh, yeah,

Stoney
that you know, they've taken, you know, case study from Louisiana and Florida, you know, we're going to bunker in, we're going to hunker down, and you know, we're going to ride the storm out. Well, what if one of these viruses comes through, or something comes through that we think we can handle, and they're going to laugh, because it's going to take out most of the population again.

Miranda
What it's going to be, it's going to be a tick-based virus, tick-based pathogen, that

Ian
we talked about that

Stoney
alpha gal syndrome,

Miranda
but that's not the only one. Tularensis, you, there's all sorts of, you know, you've got Lyme, tularensis, you've got alpha gal, like there is so many tick-based organisms that carry stuff that is bad, and they have exploded so many fold since the late 1970s That's going to be what takes..

Stoney
well, they have documented, documented evidence of boxes with ticks, is just being released in America.

Jason
Our government wouldn't do that, huh?

Stoney
Yes, they would actually

Ian
note the sarcasm in his voice. I

Miranda
find

Jason
just,

Stoney
just for you listeners, you can't see the sarcasm dripping out of Jason's lips right there. Well, you know, it's blue. For the record,

Jason
it's so funny that it's so funny that talking that kind of brings to mind what I saw in the news today with Tulsi Gabbard's office being raided by 40 some boxes.

Stoney
Okay, first off, the CIA has no jurisdiction in America and cannot operate on US soil. So, what is the CIA doing raiding anybody's office in America,

Jason
40 boxes to be, how brazen it is now obvious

Stoney
from a directive from the President of the United States to release those forms that they

Jason
would, one of the topics were

Stoney
UFOs,

Jason
MK Ultra,

Stoney
MK Ultra,

Stoney
UFOs, yes, MKL,

Ian
interesting

Stoney
Project Blue Beam.

Jason
I'm telling you, I'm a firm believer that they have perfected mind control techniques, and I truly believe that I think that some of these people that have gone on these random, just out of the blue, like the two people that tried to shoot the president,

Ian
yeah, yeah, the

Jason
Las Vegas shooter,

Stoney
they've never been a big one,

Jason
they've never figured anything out about that guy, he just disappeared off the map, I'm telling you, I think there's a connection there. I truly think that there's just something in my guts telling me that there's more to that story.

Stoney
Manchurian candidate type situation, people are embedded or changed or forced to do something, and

Jason
I mean I'm just. I just found that that we talk about the ticks and the government experiment with ticks, which we talked about before. We've all talked about MK Ultra, and it's so funny that here

Ian
it is.

Jason
We got boxes of stuff regarding some of this stuff, and they mysteriously get taken by what's like, how does he to come get it? How can help with the president?

Stoney
That's not the FBI doing it, that's the CIA coming in on US soil.

Jason
They're doing, they're going to destroy everything.

Stoney
Oh, it's already destroyed, or put in their own vaults, or whatever. But my point is, is how is that possible? That that's not the way that it, they can't, they showed badges that were the CIA, they should, you know, that's not supposed to happen.

Miranda
Well, the CIA weren't they the ones that were over most of these things, like dating right back to Ingo Swann and all that kind of stuff. So they're going into taking back their own stuff.

Ian
Oh yeah, well, but

Stoney
it's still not allowed. Oh, I know, do that, but US soil,

Ian
but I mean, but again, when, when someone comes in with enough force and enough power behind them, I mean, you can be the guy who says no and probably get taken out with the rest of them, maybe. I don't know,

Jason
yeah, because you know, I mean, you think about these boxes, are probably in an office, and often you got a bunch of people in suits come barging out to the deal,

Stoney
this isn't like this is a normal citizen. This is Tulsi Gabbard.

Ian
Oh yeah,

Stoney
former,

Jason
he's the Director of National Intelligence.

Stoney
Exactly

Ian
right.

Stoney
And they think, think about that. CIA operates under her.

Jason
Yeah, they don't believe it. They don't, they don't relieve it, they don't. Answer to anybody, they answer to themselves exactly. I think this is this goes back to what I've always said, you know. Eisenhower warned us that this is, he at that point realized he had pretty much, as President, United States, had really lost control of the government at that point, and we've never really recovered, these these agencies have just completely just gone off the rails, and there's no one that does anything to them, because they don't want to be,

Ian
yeah,

Jason
they don't want to be called out, they don't want to have anything happen to them or their families, which I understand, I get that we're

Jason
all protective of our loved ones and

Jason
family,

Ian
believe me, you're gonna be the next one who disappears,

Jason
or some news, or commit

Stoney
suicide.

Jason
Some news is going to come out that's going to be detrimental to somebody in your family, a business dealing, or whatever the case may be. I mean, it's just right. This was an outright blatant, just that's a thumb, that's a middle finger.

Ian
Oh, yeah.

Jason
To basically, we run the show.

Ian
Yes,

Jason
we could care less what president is occupying the White House rules. For if you're not willing to play, play ball with us, then you know what, you're on a need to know basis anyway. Yeah, that's just kind of how they think, but you know, I mean, I don't know, I mean, what is it? I saw, like, on some of the news agencies, I saw an interview, they were interviewing Chuck Schumer, and Schumer had basically made a comment saying, well, you don't want to get on these intelligence agencies, bad side, no,

Ian
yeah, yeah,

Jason
aren't they government employees, and supposed to know they care less. I mean, this is I'm saying they are, they are doing stuff, they either that or the now they pretty much contract this stuff out to third party vendors.

Ian
Oh yeah,

Jason
and they're doing the work, so it gets it out of the hands of the government,

Ian
of course.

Jason
Yeah,

Ian
I've been doing this for a long time. Yes, they have perfected this. Think I just do a science, I think. At this point,

Jason
yeah, a lot of people say there's all this UFO stuff is because it's a cover-up. This is like a diversion,

Ian
yeah.

Jason
You know, maybe there is something going on.

Ian
We talked about last week,

Stoney
part of that, that's coming out is that aliens, the whole UFO, what do they call it, UAVs, UABs is not that is demons.

Ian
Oh, really?

Stoney
No, seriously, interesting. Seriously, there was four or five pastors that were contacted by the US government, and it's out. You can look up these videos. Who came out and said something's fixing to happen, and it's not UFOs, it's something else. And they're preparing the clergy for this.

Jason
Yeah, I saw that pastor. I think

Stoney
there's not just one, five of them verbal now,

Jason
but one pastor, and he made a big announcement on on social media that he had been contacted by elements within the US government that UFO disclosure is, is what are they going to find, it's going to shake to the core, kind of established our understanding of our place in the cosmos, and kind of just kind of the whole thing, I think there's been some pullback on that to a degree, but you know, Stoney, you saying that it's kind of made me think of some other people I've listened to on other podcasts regarding this whole phenomenon, all this, you know, aliens, and, and, and what they're saying is they're dimensional beings, which means they're not like out in space somewhere, they're like in a parallel dimension where they're literally right alongside of us, and there really is nothing out there. They're all worried about it. They're here.

Stoney
Basic dimensions for a Christian, you have three.

Ian
Yeah,

Stoney
you have three dimensions. You have heaven, earth, and hell. That's the three dimensions that we operate in. You're either in one of them,

Jason
yeah, it's, it's a,

Stoney
and so demons,

Ian
wild

Stoney
being a dimensional figure and possession, and everything else kind of fits into that, if you, if you think about it, right,

Jason
if you think of demons in that way,

Stoney
but that's what they are,

Ian
aliens showing up, it's just a bunch of demons,

Jason
I mean, I believe I've got, I have family members that are, are very, very

Ian
traditional,

Jason
well, traditional, but very hesitant, and they kind of on all along the lines with Stoney said that they're they're demonic, I've always kind of. Have held back on that. I'm a little bit more open to the idea of extraterrestrial life. Always have been. I mean, it doesn't bother me that they may or may not exist. I think bodies have been recovered, and to me that kind of throws in the way that they would be demonic.

Stoney
Okay, let's go there. Have you ever seen a body that has been possessed by a demon? I have. Well, see, I come.. I come from the arena of.. we talked about the angel that I saw, but I have seen what happens to a body that has been possessed by a demon, and it's not human. It does not look human. It takes other shapes and forms, so it could look like something else.

Stoney
Well, especially the time length that that person, soul, or body has been possessed, and by the number of demons in that body,

Jason
but I, that I'm not saying that doesn't happen, because I've seen plenty of documentaries on what people look like after, you know, those sort of events. So I'm on board.

Ian
You heard it here first. Demons look like graves, that's all.

Jason
I mean, the very nature, I think it kind of goes back to this idea that you know these bodies that were recovered came as a result of wreckage, and to me that kind of flies in the face of the idea of something's possessed. I mean, obviously these things have some sort of, they build things, they're able to do, things our material science doesn't allow us to be able to do, like 360 degree turns on a split second,

Ian
yeah,

Jason
you know, things that would basically turn us into mush,

Stoney
but when you're operating in a dimensional world, those

Jason
things are back, that's why I think, so that's what

Stoney
there's confusion in all of

Jason
it, right? Exactly, that's what I'm saying. I just think that it's

Stoney
that would make a great episode. Reference,

Miranda
you're working off the premise, though, that this is only one type of entity or one type of creature that we could have interdimensional creatures, we could have intra dimensional creatures, you know. String theory says there's 12 different universes stacked on top of this one, and we're all like about a foot apart, so that's why when you see ghosts, they're always a foot off the floor, because you're just seen into the next dimension,

Ian
right?

Miranda
You know, there's there's the whole thing about underwater bases, we could have creatures that have been here that kind of evolved alongside us that just have different technology, you go back into, you know, my background is anthropology, you look at the, you look at the ancient texts and the folklore of, let's say, the British Isles. They had the fae, pretty much every country in the world had their own version of the fae. And when you look at those fey stories in detail, what did they do? They would, people would do, they would make people disappear, they would come and kidnap people. What do the aliens do now? Kidnap people, you know, the Faye had vehicles that they would see flying around and flying lights. What did the.. what did the aliens have now? The Fay were described as having all sorts of different features that we relate now to aliens, so it's just the same story, just

Stoney
repurposed in what you were talking about, Jason. I want to throw this at you. Um, how many vehicles of fire were in the Bible?

Jason
Well, plenty of Ezekiels

Stoney
saying so. So, angels and demons travel in vehicles too. It, you know, we don't know what happened there, and it's going to be fun. I can't wait till I'm at the Pearly Gates and find out, but hopefully

Jason
there's

Jason
a, there's an actual guy out there that you can pull him up on YouTube. I've listened to several, I do follow him, because what he reports on is I find very interesting. It's Timothy Marino.

Ian
Okay,

Jason
but he's got some very different understanding of what the idea of Genesis is speaking about.

Ian
Okay,

Jason
so, and he's a Christian, so he, I think he's in the kind of more the fundamentalist type of a Christian, but he, he travels the world, and he's, he talks about a lot of what, what, what Miranda just, yeah, just kind of mentioned, but he has a different understanding of how the, of, of a different interpretation of what Genesis is saying,

Ian
yeah,

Jason
that really supports the idea that aliens are angels, we just, that's the terminology, and there was a war in the heavens, that one species, they kind of kicked, kicked them out because they were doing things that they weren't, so it just kind of, it just, I found it funny when they, when I started hearing about dimensional, I. Remember listening to Lou Elizondo, who talked about on an interview about the idea of what aliens are, and he was trying to explain that they're dimensional entities, so they're not on another planet somewhere flying over here, they exist alongside us, they're just in a different reality.

Miranda
What are the gin? They were created alongside us,

Ian
right? Yeah, they

Miranda
were where we were made of mud, they were made of smoke. So, yeah,

Ian
right, yeah. Interesting

Miranda
Genesis eight or Genesis six, talking all about the giants. Where do you see giants now? So, there was obviously, there's, there's mention of other types of creatures that were created that walked the earth. Oh, that

Jason
would be a good episode,

Stoney
I think. So too, would you come back?

Ian
Maybe

Stoney
I just want to, for all those who don't believe,

Ian
again,

Stoney
atheism is a strange thing, even Satan has never fallen for that

Ian
lie, interesting.

Jason
No,

Stoney
so you have to believe in something because it's there and it's in front of us, and we deal with it. But does anybody remember what today's episode was about? Because we, we chased a rabbit and went squirrel, squirrel. Well,

Miranda
we were just diverting, just the way they're trying to divert us with this.

Ian
Don't pay attention to that, pay attention to the aliens.

Jason
Yeah, it's just funny how things just kind of pop up on the news cycle, and

Ian
but it's also not.. it's all it's also interesting to hear that, like, what we're talking about right now in this conversation was a very small gradient to get back to the virus situation and ticks and government influence and

Jason
government now seizing documents and refusing to give

Ian
them back again, the fact the two different things we've talked about in this episode seemingly on paper seem pretty far apart until you start to really look at like we're

Jason
all connected, they're

Jason
all connected as

Ian
far away as you think it is, so yeah, at least not in today's modern age. I feel like, so

Jason
they are all connected.

Ian
Yeah,

Jason
I'm a firm believer in that. After what happened in the last few days regarding all these boxes of documents,

Ian
yeah,

Jason
yeah, I do believe that it's,

Ian
and again, like we talked about last week, talk about the scientists in propulsion and in anti-gravity stuff, and in space technology coming up missing, and you know, what do they know, what do they not know, what are they hiding, what's going on, like it's just kind of, you know, hello, and again, all on the heels of the midterms, I don't,

Jason
I don't really,

Ian
so yeah,

Jason
I don't really know what they expect, but I just, I think everybody's all over the board.

Miranda
Costco has been stockpiling toilet paper, so they're anticipating something.

Jason
Oh, well, you know that actually I'm wondering what they're hearing for them to,

Ian
yeah,

Jason
stocking certain things. So either everybody's fixing to get diarrhea,

Ian
yeah, or again, or again, maybe they're just maybe they don't have any intel except for the fact they're like, we know what happened last time there was like a major outbreak, and

Miranda
we had so many cases of it in our garage that we're just now getting to the end of it. Yeah, okay. Literally, we are just now. I think we're on our last case or two. We got two cases, but yeah, we kind of went ham with it, and during Covid, we were not risking running out of TP.

Ian
Exactly. Yeah, that's you do not want to run out of that, but the same thing happens for us when we, whenever hurricanes come around, sometimes again, if it's a smaller one, it's probably not that big of a deal, but for the most part, you can guarantee the bread's gonna go

Miranda
well, and this we will get one for sure this year, because we had none last year for the first time ever, so we are well overdue,

Jason
I hope not, because I mean we're for insurance purposes. We really need, like, a several years of.. I mean, we're supposedly we're as

Stoney
fast as they raise them, they should have already been dropping them. I

Jason
mean, they say we're in a super, super El Nino, so that the problem is all it takes is one.

Ian
The crazy thing we talked about this as well, a little bit. The fact that the, I mean, it's, it got cold in May, that's

Stoney
the thing, it's gonna get colder. They got, they have this arctic thing that they're saying may be coming down

Miranda
really,

Jason
maybe the last, I think,

Stoney
maybe the last cold right before the ice age comes back. Oh, is that right? Yeah, they're saying the ice age could come back,

Ian
yeah. Just

Miranda
you can take the dogs out,

Ian
yeah. No, anyways, for me, again, around here, you know, I don't think I've ever really, or if I have, it's been so long, I don't remember a cold day in May. That's that wasn't, that was a new thing for us.

Jason
I loved it,

Ian
it. Was nice. I'm not gonna lie, I enjoyed

Jason
it. It's just like enjoyed now for the broiler. It's fixing to get hot, hot

Ian
and humid, but I do see we have some more rain coming in, so that's

Stoney
thanks Sunday.

Miranda
Yeah, thunderstorms,

Ian
yep.

Jason
Well,

Ian
yeah,

Miranda
that's why we have things to do on Saturday. There

Jason
you go. I'm gonna cut grass shadow, that's fine, because I have to, haven't been able to cut my grass, because it just,

Ian
yeah, man

Jason
worked out, yeah, that's my goal, doing yard work,

Ian
I mean, I'm in the same boat right now, I've been trying to get in contact with some, my yard guy to help me out, but it's been rainy,

Jason
got your, you have to cut your own grass here,

Ian
yeah, yeah,

Jason
okay, most

Stoney
writers got their own graphs.

Ian
I have to, I pay a guy, he's really nice guy.

Jason
Okay, I didn't know if you're, you're, you know,

Ian
yeah, she know it's not included in any of it. But okay, I know a guy, he's a longtime friend, former military kind of guy, he's super cool, and he comes out with his, he's got a crew of guys that come and get it done real quick. So, anyways, yeah. what a fun little topic we have for today. Is there anything else you guys want to touch on before we wait in this?

Stoney
I think it's good. Okay, I just want everybody to be smart.

Ian
Yeah, yeah, be prepared, and if

Stoney
you go clean your shed out, make sure you clean up right afterwards, so that you don't get sick.

Ian
Yeah, yeah, you don't have to wear a face mask everywhere, but if you're going to be handling poop, you probably should wear a face mask and gloves. If I

Jason
know what I do, yard work, I try to put a mask on. Yes, just because of the pollen,

Ian
yeah,

Jason
just eats me up.

Ian
They had a wheels pretty, pretty bad there at the beginning of the season, it was, but yeah, so anyways,

Jason
so we have a.. I'll be very interested to see how this story plays out.

Ian
I agree.

Jason
Over time,

Ian
I know that they weren't.. weren't they out at.. they were like out at sea for a while. It was like a month, right? Yeah, it was

Miranda
being directed to, I think, the Canary Islands, somewhere in Spain. One of the.. one of the Spanish..

Ian
oh, they're..wait, they're still out. They're still out, interesting.

Stoney
So many people were released to go. Oh, but every, you know, here you go. Still, ship of people running around

Miranda
was not happy that they were volunteered for that. I see. Well, I'm told,

Ian
right? Right,

Jason
yeah. They said the ship departed

Ian
april 1.

Jason
april 1, it departed you. She, or I don't even know how to pronounce that.

Ian
Yeah, it

Jason
was Mars, the 33 day Atlantic Odyssey. It went through the Drake Passage. It was going to Antarctica, South Georgia, Nightingale Island,

Ian
Antarctica.

Jason
Yeah, Tristan D Kuna, St Helena, Ascension Island, and then a planned continuation toward the Canary Islands, before eventually heading to Rotterdam.

Ian
I warrant to know now why it's so expensive. Jeez, okay, yeah, they're definitely over the 33 expedition.

Jason
They said the ship later anchored off Praya for several days while authorities debated evacuation and containment measures.

Ian
Interesting. Well, yes, I'm excited to see where, where the end of this story goes, to see what, what all happened.

Jason
Let's keep in mind the people that have died, which is a terrible situation, and, and just the fear that would be, I would be terrified

Stoney
midterms.

Jason
Well, I mean, I've been trying to bring it down to more of a human level to the people that have been affected by this, you know. Just keep them in your prayers, and that this stuff isn't spread to other people.

Miranda
Well, I'm well, all for being very pragmatic when it comes to information, and I would like the listeners to understand that there's going to be a lot of hype, and there's going to be a lot of misinformation and propaganda in the news about all of this, and even if there are people running around with Hantavirus, your chances of getting it are infinitesimally low, like I said, in countries like China has 90% of the world's cases, it, and look at their population and their density, and it still has never taken off. It has never exploded. That said, you have to have prolonged contact with somebody. This is hours of contact in order to catch it, this is not you, just brushed, you touched a doorknob that someone touched, and then you got it. This, that does not happen. This is a prolonged contact disease.

Stoney
Only strain, there's like 75 other strains that no contact.

Miranda
If we start hearing of lots of cases of it, if you just practice natural normal hygiene, and you just avoid being out around people for prolonged periods of time, you are going to be avoiding your chance of catching this virus. Well, and if you, even if you want to be preventative, get some of that red algae ever.

Ian
Right, well, for anybody who wants to let us know your opinions, your thoughts, your suggestions, whatever you want to talk about, we have comment sections on Spotify and on YouTube where you can leave some short form responses. We also have the email address Get Defended together@gmail.com where you can send some more long form responses if you need to. Be sure to like, subscribe, and share the episodes with people that you think would like, or maybe not like this, because it's, you know, we're here to offend everyone if we want. Until next week. Thank you so much for listening. Bye, bye,

Jason
goodbye, everyone, and God bless

Miranda
take care.

Stoney
As we close this conversation on hantavirus, there is a line that we need to keep walking, not fear, not denial, evidence. This virus is not new, and it is not imaginary. It is not floating through every grocery store waiting to become the next global shutdown, but it is real, and it can be dangerous in the wrong circumstances. And it reminds us that sometimes the smallest things - a mouse in a wall, dust in the cabin, droppings in a shed - can carry consequences much bigger than they look, but the science is only half the story. The other half is what happens when disease, money, media, government, and public trust all collide. Moderna researching hunt a virus before the headlines does not automatically prove corruption, but it does raise fair questions. A stock jump does not prove insider knowledge, but it does deserve scrutiny. Public health preparedness is not automatically a conspiracy, but corporate profit wrapped in public fear should never get a free pass either. That is where we land tonight, skeptical, not paranoid, cautious, not careless, honest enough to say what is proven, discipline enough not to say what is not, because the goal was never to prove conspiracy. The goal is to prove what can be proven, and keep digging where the answers get slippery. Thank you for joining us today. We appreciate you. You're the best. Peace.