Is Your Car Watching You? | Retrospect Ep.240

In this week’s episode we discussed how new vehicle safety technologies are helping prevent impaired and drunk driving. From driver monitoring systems to advanced crash prevention tools, we discuss how innovation could save lives and shape the future of road safety. As well as the unsettling questions surrounding control, tracking, and the future of personal freedom on the road.

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Drunk driving prevention, advanced technology, driver monitoring, alcohol sensors, vehicle operation, impairment detection, infrastructure investment, privacy concerns, subscription-based models, planned obsolescence, right to repair, AI in vehicles, vehicle behavior analysis, data collection, automotive industry.
Jason  
There is a quiet revolution coming to the American dashboard, not under the hood, not in the engine, not even in the battery. It is coming through the camera pointed at your face, a sensor watching your eyes, a software judging whether you are fit to drive. Buried inside the 2021 infrastructure investment and jobs act section 24 220 is a mandate for advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology in new passenger vehicles. The goal sounds noble, and on paper it is. But here is where the story turns. The law calls for technology that can passively monitor a driver, detect impairment, and prevent or limit vehicle operation if impairment is detected. That could mean alcohol sensors, it can mean driver monitoring cameras, it could mean systems watching eye movement, facial behavior, lane position, or physical indicators. Supporters say this could save 1000s of lives. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety estimated alcohol detection systems could save more than 9000 lives a year if widely deployed. So, tonight the question is not simple. Nobody wants drunk drivers on the road. Nobody wants another family erased by a person who should have handed over the keys, but what happens when the car becomes judge, witness, and jailer? What happens when your vehicle does not just take you somewhere and evaluate you before it lets you leave? This is the promise, and the problem of impairment technology: a future sold as protection, built on detection, and waiting for us in the driver's seat, and as always, the question is not whether the machine can save us. Question is, controls the machine once t can stop us.

Ian  
welcome the Retrospect Podcast, a show where people come together from different walks of life and discuss a topic from the generation's perspective. My name is Ian, and as always, I'm joined by Stoney.

Stoney   
Hello,

Ian  
Jason.

Jason  
Hello, everyone.

Stoney   
First off,

Ian  
I was gonna sneeze there for a second to

Stoney   
call bullshit. Oh, because it has nothing to do with drunk driving, absolutely nothing to do with drunk driving, because many people exhibit forms of drunk driving, man getting in the car wanting to drive his pregnant wife to the hospital, or can you imagine Miranda, the day of my accident, getting in her car and having to run to the hospital, I call bullshit. This is fear tactic. I mean, and they're gonna know they're, oh, 6000 lives. Okay, I tell you what, there's already been first to say 1000 deaths in America due to illegal immigrants. How about we don't do something with that, that's twice as many deaths as drunk drivers cause. Okay, how about we do something about that?

Ian  
But who's to say that the computer's not smart enough to differentiate the fact that you are upset and frustrated and panicked? Not who you don't know that.

Stoney   
Yes, I do.

Ian  
Okay, did the research. I'm glad you. And do you have this technology in your vehicles?

Stoney   
It will be next year.

Ian  
Okay? Are you sure?

Jason  
Yeah, that's the law. It will be. It's mandated by the government that it's in every vehicle made after what is it, 2020 Well, June 2077 I know that's where they're saying it's going to be mandated. I've saw some stuff that I don't think they're ready yet. I really don't, they're not even ready yet, for they don't care. So they wanted a weather

Stoney   
vehicle, so that they can shut you down. Yeah, wait a minute's notice.

Ian  
Yes, they could shut you down if you are drunk. I do believe. I mean, like I said, I haven't done all the research for this, like you have, apparently, but there are people in my life that I have known that I will not name any names, that I've decided to get behind a wheel when they were impaired, and there was nothing I could have done to have stopped them, and if their car would have stopped them, I think that would have been really great. I don't think they harmed anybody whenever they did that, but I have been, I have been firsthand, like to see that, and wish that I would have had some way to physically stop them, you know, without trying. I mean, you know, I could have gotten the police involved, but you know, at that time

Jason  
I think what you're seeing right now is the the reactions based upon generation and from from from older people who cars were looked at a little differently, and as just simply a tool, they've kind of evolved now into something completely different.

Ian  
I do think there are people that I think have the ability to drive a. Car that should not have the ability to drive a car.

Jason  
Well, I would,

Ian  
especially, especially, especially people that I think are in that older bracket that have not, like, done some sort of reevaluation for their, like, their safety and security on, like, the road. And then just, you're, you're dealing with outdated thinking from whenever they used to go to driving school once upon a time, and like, I feel like even though this is also like a hot take that no one would like, I do feel like every like five to 10 years we should like reevaluate people's effectiveness of driving, and if you're not good enough, you should have your license revoked. I feel

Stoney   
like, but you see, that in itself is a fallacy. Okay, because I wish we had somebody here in law enforcement who could tell us the differences, if there are any between somebody who's drunk and somebody who's on their phone, and actually it's proven through research that the person on their phone is paying less attention to the road than the drunk person. Okay, and so there are a lot of people who shouldn't be on the road, like people with phones and everything else, but my point is, this has nothing to do. This is a fear tactic. Oh, everybody, if you're not for this, you're a, you're for drunk driving. No, that's not what I'm saying. Come out with something that works, and then don't have all the bullshit small print in here, because you haven't looked at the small print. That's where you got to get into it. It's the small print that's going to get you.

Jason  
Well,

Stoney   
and the small prints right here on my page. If anybody wants to see it,

Jason  
this, this bill that was, that was passed, it has survived now two administrations, because this, as said, it, this was buried in the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act in 2021 under Joe Biden, and then under the Trump administration, it was, was authorized. It was authorized. There was an attempt by the now primaried Thomas Massie. He introduced an amendment to kill this, and he, it got defeated overwhelmingly,

Ian  
of course, because, like, what you look at it on paper, it's, you know,

Jason  
and you say no to that, you're the Mac. He tried, and it killed it. So, I think this is here to stay. I think you're seeing the automotive world beginning to change. I'd been listening to a lot of podcasts today regarding this issue, and I never really knew the extent to which you know things could change rapidly, you know, from somebody who just bought a brand new car.

Ian  
Yes,

Jason  
I was seeing some things that now even in my car this technology exists, and I'll tell you a story that happened to me this morning. I'm driving to work. Somehow I got distracted in a car,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
made a right turn into a part into a business.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
and for whatever reason I just didn't detect

Ian  
it, yeah,

Jason  
the car did.

Ian  
Oh, yeah,

Jason  
and

Ian  
auto breaking for

Stoney   
a while,

Jason  
and so I, in that sense, I think it's a good thing, but this idea, I mean, look, there's always been talk of how do you stop impaired people from operating right vehicles, that's that conversation has been going on a long time, and

Stoney   
but we also have what they haven't done is define impaired.

Jason  
Well, I mean, in the case with drunk driving, mean there's there's legal limits of where you're considered impaired and or not, and then you know there's other factors involved, but I think the solutions that have been utilized for, like, someone convicted of DWI or DUI, however, it's right, you know, you use it, but you know they'll put in, like, breathalyzer systems in cars, which is a technology that's been here for a while now, so we, you know, but I love that, but that's going through that, I think. Where people are saying is like, but that has gone through due process, and that the rights of the individual has

Stoney   
been respected. Where I was going to go

Jason  
has been respected, and this is the consequence. You've been found guilty if you've

Stoney   
been found guilty, and this is something you want to put in that, but that's what they're saying. They're not going to retrofit cars. This is all new cars coming out, but then here's the thing. You know what? What about my rights? Okay, they, they've decided on a couple of things, but there's a list of things that aren't decided that that give me the heebie jeebies. This is still undecided, the exact technical standard, it's kind of like the expression the Democrats, they, it's a lie, they say they can't tell the difference between a man and a woman, but that's not true, you know how I can prove it, because Joe Biden never tried to sniff Adam Schiff's hair, okay. So, when you look at the technical, exact technical standard has not been decided whether the final rule favors alcohol sensors, driver monitoring systems, vehicle behavior analysis, which is where AI comes into it, or a combination, what false positive and what the false negative thresholds are. Whether actually driver-facing cameras are necessary, and here's the big one. This is where they're going to get you. Whether data must remain local inside the vehicle, and whether consumers can disable, limit, appeal, or override any part of the system,

Ian  
they'll always be an override.

Stoney   
Yeah, I totally agree. But okay, those things right there, they're going to put it in, and they haven't decided any number of those things. That's dangerous, because we know now from the insurance companies that they've been putting this stuff in vehicles, and you can plug this into your OB-2 sensor, and it'll, it'll say what kind of, you know, driver you are. They're not going to drop the insurance rates because of this, but if they can prove you're at fault, then they're not going to cover yours, but they're not going to drop it for the safe drivers, are they? Okay, so it's bad information again.

Ian  
I think a lot of this too is, I wonder, like I don't know if cars specifically have end user license agreements, ULAs. Well, like consumer technology, that's common. I know, I don't know, I know what I'm saying is, I wouldn't be surprised if they're, if by you owning the car, you already have signed over those rights that you keep

Stoney   
talking about. That's what I'm saying, that

Ian  
by owning that chemical, you don't have, again, you, you could try to, you can try to dispute that, but it's going to be arbitration. It's

Jason  
a scary, that's a scary, that's a scary future, because I think you all see it in everything else, dealing with your phones.

Ian  
Yeah, oh yeah,

Jason  
everything is subscription based. Your

Stoney   
TVs, think about your TVs. Nobody even knew how badly the TVs are recording you.

Jason  
You know, for all intensive purposes, cars have gotten to a point where independent mechanics can't really work on them anymore, because the software systems that run all these things are so integrated with the vehicle. You gotta go, you gotta go to the dealership.

Stoney   
Does anybody remember that big class action lawsuit against John Deere a couple of years ago?

Jason  
Was it 2015

Stoney   
It was, it was.. I don't know if it was that, maybe it was.. it was just a few years ago, but only a John Deere mechanic had the technology to work on a John Deere tractor

Jason  
at $200 an hour

Stoney   
or more. Yeah, and so they were actually sued to put that information in, not, I guess, regular mechanic tractor mechanics' hands.

Jason  
That's excuse me, I think in that case the the farmer tried to do a software update while his tractor, and unfortunately it got caught in a loop.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
and it basically shut the tractor down while he was, it was in season to harvest. I think he claimed $80,000 in losses, but you know, you have to wait, you gotta call John, you know, say you gotta call a technician out, he may not be able to get out there for a couple days, then you don't know how long it's gonna take for him to, you know, the whole time your crops are dying,

Stoney   
that's right,

Jason  
so

Stoney   
because in any field like farming or construction, or something like that, you know, how to work on your own stuff, because you can't wait for somebody that was, that was the exact big deal about that, he can't wait.

Jason  
Yeah, if you're in a case, I've got to get this stuff plowed up, and you know, I got to get this stuff harvested. They say, yeah, in 2008 NHTSA established a public private partner. I'm reading a NITSA report in 2008 established a public-private partnership with the Automotive Coalition for Traffic Safety, a nonprofit organization to develop technological solutions to address alcohol impaired driving. The out the Driver Alcohol Detection System for Safety, or D A D S S program is a research-focused activity aimed to develop reference design. Well, I just lost a report.

Ian  
Oh,

Stoney   
whoopsie.

Jason  
Yeah, but you know,

Stoney   
it kind of froze into my head when I was researching this. You know, Cuba has been on the news here lately. You know what, Cuba does not have any cars after 1960 none. And because after the revolution they couldn't get parts, cars, anything, the mafia had brought all of those cars over there when that was the holiday, you know, the Hollywood and the. Casinos and the hotels, and that's where everybody went. And then when Castro took over, they got no new parts. Think about that, they got no new parts for even all those cars, and they've kept those vehicles. That's what America is going to be like. There's going to be this huge underground of old cars and parts

Jason  
trying to

Stoney   
try to get around this thing,

Jason  
right?

Stoney   
Because, like Ian said, well, if you don't want to sign the agreement, don't buy the car. Well,

Jason  
well, I pulled the report back on it. It says a research-focused activity aims to develop a reference design that can be licensed by other entities for two non-intrusive in-vehicle technologies, breath and touch sensors designed to detect passively when a driver's BAC exceeds the legal limit, so there's been some money dumped into this. I saw, I think I saw an amount of 43 million so far, with another 100 million, you know, pretty much in the pipe to develop these sort of technologies, so I do think it's going to happen. I don't see it stop, and I think the way you know, BMW tried something, they kind of got themselves a little bit of trouble when they tried to do this with their heated seats. Yeah, they, you know, people bought a BMW, it had heated seats, like you know, any other car, but then basically said you have to have a subscription, and they basically, if, if so, the question is, do you really vehicle now, if you're, if you're basically hiding the features behind certain things, so I think this whole movement to these cars being something that they were never intended to be.

Ian  
Well, I think that's every technology has moved in that direction. Same thing with to bring it in, like the video game space with the new Switch to, you don't like by literally in the end user license agreement by you opening the box and turning on the machine, you do not own the machine, you do not own any of the games you put on the machine, you are simply leasing it from Nintendo. The machine just gives you the

Jason  
ability

Ian  
to access, you don't have again. Once upon a time, with the first Switch, you used to be able to put, like, put like a little memory card in the machine, and that was like your physical copy of the game now, like they have those, but the thing is, whenever you put that in into the Switch Two, you still have to go onto the eShop and download the game, and then the chip just allows you to run the game on the machine, but you still don't own it, like,

Stoney   
so you're streaming gameplay, so you don't5, 99 a month, right, you can play

Ian  
again, you can again when you purchase it, and you have it, but again, like if at any point in time, again in the end user license agreement, like again, they have the, they have the rights to remove anything off of the switch too, if they want to, so if you put anything on there that doesn't belong on there, if you, or however you work around it, you do an update, they have the, they have the rights to like remove stuff off of your switch, too, and that's just.. and that's..

Stoney   
and how much does a switch to cost?

Ian  
400 bucks, 500 bucks, whatever.

Stoney   
And you don't own it,

Ian  
you don't own it. And what's.. I'm saying, is like, who's to say that this technology, as well, again in your car, again by you owning a new car, you therefore like on your end, like you don't

Jason  
own certain features. The box does it gives you the ability to access the data

Ian  
once upon once upon a time when on the iPhone I don't know if you guys remember this it was gosh it was over a decade ago at this point the iPhones came pre loaded and downloaded with a YouTube album on it.

Stoney   
Yes, yeah,

Ian  
the iTunes store, and again by you, by you purchasing an iPhone, and by you having, by you downloading iTunes on the phone in some capacity.

Jason  
YouTube gave it all to free for free,

Ian  
yeah, right, right, right. But

Stoney   
every time Miranda got in her album would start playing

Ian  
because it was on air, it was automatically downloaded on everyone's phone, and the problem, the frustration that people had was they were like, I don't want to take up my hard drive space with this album, but it's automatic. Well, yeah, exactly. And that was the thing, is that by you downloading iTunes, you have you as the end loser, end user license agreement, the EU LA, you have given up your, I won't say, give up your rights, but like you, you have therefore said it is okay for them to be able to put whatever they want to, or to automatically download, and so again, whenever you're like, whenever you want to combat that again, there you can't really, because that's you have signed this agreement that, like, there's no way you can work around it, that just is what it

Stoney   
is. I think, think about this, so what's that next step to this over the air software updates, right? So now that's going to, because you sign on, it's going to allow manufacturers to change vehicle behavior after the sale, they can improve safety patch, cyber flaws, supposedly, but. They also give manufacturers ongoing software control over the vehicle functions, features, and algorithms, right. So, while you're driving, they can change

Ian  
something, and that was the only thing I was curious about. Is I don't know about newer vehicles, if they do have some sort of like hidden EULA that you don't realize, and just by purchasing the car, you therefore sign the document that, so I'm not sure if, like, for instance, BMW, like, if they have some sort of, like, well, they purchased the car, but they don't purchase the features, they

Jason  
tried it, they got a lot of pushback, they backed off, but now they're coming back with it, and that's usually how this stuff works, they put it out there, there's an uproar,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
and as typically as human beings are,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
you know, we only maintain that sort of, you know, we're on it for a little while, and then other things get our attention, and you kind of move on with life, and then little by little they slowly,

Ian  
oh, I'm sorry, your high beams are underneath the BMW Premium, you can't use, yeah, I mean, that's

Stoney   
actually law.

Jason  
I mean, it's that's that's where this is going right now. So, I, the

Stoney   
city, they said they're coming out with these, these, what do you call these vehicles with the ass ends down? Shoot,

Ian  
I just like jacked up trucks,

Stoney   
so yeah, but it's the

Jason  
back to look. Well, I know the one, it's used to be the old low riders, but now it's only one side. It's only,

Stoney   
it's only the back,

Jason  
yeah, called

Stoney   
something I forgot what it's called. They said that you're gonna be towed off, but they also said at the, in the same sentence, that they're, they're this ordinance, it's against the law to do this. You actually can't, it's federal law, you can't change any vehicle from the way it comes off of the off of the assembly line, that's law, you can't change the headlights, you can't these tires that extend 234, inches past the fenders, that's all illegal,

Ian  
interesting,

Stoney   
it's all illegal, but they also said that they're going to come out and all these women that should not be wearing yoga pants, they're going to start writing them tickets too. So it was all in the same briefing about the squatted trucks, squatted trucks. Okay, yep. But think about this, what did the John Deere thing establish? The right to repair, right? That, that, that is, you know, we should have that right to repair, and if these mandatory systems now can only be affected by, you know, they dealer,

Jason  
they want the dealers now involved with pretty much the life of the vehicle, that's where they're going, and literally when it gets to a point where it's all computer, I mean, the age of the mechanic will will will go away. I mean, other than working on older and older cars, but I mean the reality as time goes on.

Stoney   
You see, I kind of saw something like this coming back in the 80s. I had gone to another state. I'm gonna leave that out, because I don't want accidentally this person being blasted, but it was a high official at the Ford Motor Company.

Jason  
Okay,

Stoney   
and they took me to the assembly factory, where the new Thunderbird - remember, the Thunderbird was big, the medium one, then in the 80s they had the small Thunderbird coming out,

Jason  
right,

Stoney   
and we put the little hat on and the little coats, and it was a fun little adventure to go see this manufacturing process of how they built these cars on the assembly line, and he asked me, he said, "You know, how, you know, how do you think we're going to make money on these cars selling them so cheap, and he said, "Why do you think we made this car? And I says, "I don't know, educate me, please. And he said, "This, this is, this is the mid 80s. He said, "Now we have women that have all of this money because they're working, their pay is increasing, they're. He said, "This is where we're going to make our money. We're going to sell it cheap. And he told me, he looked me in the eye and said this. We talk about planned obsolescence. This was probably one of the first examples in the automotive industry. He said, all of these plastics in this vehicle are designed to break six to 10 months after the warranty goes out and he said, "Now, think about it. If your car breaks, where are you going to take it? I take it to my buddy around the corner, and he's going to fix it for me. He said, "Where is a woman going to take the vehicle back to the dealer? He said, "That's where we'll make our money on this car. Planned obsolescence, forcing people to go back to basically a whole demographic, the female, you know, because they're not - they don't know a shade tree mechanic, you know, they're going to take it back to the dealer, right? And this is the same thing, you're going to have to take it back to the dealer, and you do not have the right to repair anymore. What are you going to do?

Jason  
Well, I just think people are just going to just.. I think people just simply adapt, and they'll.. they'll come to accept. I mean, right now, if you look at the age groups where you know younger people are used to subscription-based models, and so.. as.. as I hate to say it.. I mean, Stoney is you and I age out in the younger people coming up. I think it's just going to be well, that's just the way it is. I mean, we pay subscriptions for everything else. Why not car stuff? And I just.. I think there's kind of a subtle brainwashing going on that it just sneaks up on you, and all of a sudden you wake up, and that's just your new world you live in,

Stoney   
but you also have to go to who owns these car manufacturers now. This again is your Black Rock State Street and Vanguard. Who said you won't own anything?

Jason  
Well,

Stoney   
they're basically gearing us to lease a car for the rest of our life, and they control, take our information, sell our information,

Jason  
and there is a push for it. Now, I can tell you, I've heard a lot of people, when they go into these dealerships, they're pushing leases, they're pushing leases

Stoney   
because they don't want you to own anything.

Jason  
Well, for ownership is freedom, and I'm gonna tell you, for a lot of people it's an affordable way of getting a car.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
I mean it is. If I can't, I mean, I know much money I paid for this car that I just

Stoney   
seen, what leases are today? It ain't that affordable.

Jason  
Yeah, but

Stoney   
when they first started the lease programs, it was affordable, but it's not anymore.

Jason  
But it's, it's a lot, but it's a lot cheaper than buying a new car. I mean, it just is. I mean, we're basically now a new car is pretty much, you're going to be around 50 grand, just what it is, a lease is going to be a lot cheaper than that to do. I mean, it just, even if you got to put down 10 grand, yeah. And then, whatever, your book,

Stoney   
how many years did you keep your car after you paid it off?

Jason  
Oh, well, do

Stoney   
the math, you lease a car for the 15 years you own that car is going to be more expensive than you buy in that car. I bought

Jason  
my last, the last car I had. I bought that in 2013 and I just turned it over.

Stoney   
Okay, so four years to pay it, five years to pay it, whatever it is. And

Jason  
then I had,

Stoney   
okay, so now, but see, you lease a car, you still have that note. So the math don't add, I,

Jason  
but there's a lot of people that want a new car every three years,

Ian  
that's crazy.

Jason  
I've known people like that, they constantly are getting a new car every time I turn around, it's like, you, you know, oh, I got tired of the other one, but you know, I'm telling you, it's, it's, we, you know, this is disturbing, but look, I'm looking at a poll right here in 2021 and Ipsos poll for Mad found that 89% said built-in drunk driving prevention tech was a good idea, and 77% backed federal action requiring all new vehicles. Not only that, aaa survey found 67% support requiring alcohol impaired prevention technology in all new cocaine,

Stoney   
but that could be a sensor that detects alcohol in the air of the vehicle,

Jason  
correct?

Stoney   
Okay, it's not facial recognition, it's not a camera on your face, it's not looking at your eyes dilated, that's a whole nother scheme, a whole nother level. I can, I can go with the alcohol detection system,

Jason  
right?

Stoney   
Even if it's surveys, if it's inside, you don't even know it's there,

Jason  
right?

Stoney   
I'm fine with that. But what happens if your buddy next door is drunk?

Jason  
Well,

Stoney   
what if your passenger is drunk?

Jason  
That's where, that's where it gets kind of. that's where the tech would have to determine those kind of things. I don't know. I get it. I understand, because I mean, you get somebody that's inebriated in your vehicle, the alcohol vapors are everywhere in your car. Now your car is not going anywhere, so I don't know what the fix is, and that's the problem. Even NITS admits that right now, I mean, even if they can get the tech down where it detects 99% considering that there's like 270 million trips taken in the United States, even if just 1% there's a failure rate there, that's a lot of people getting inconvenienced. Yes, yeah, so I get it, and look, even they realize the tech is not there, even though the legislation's in place, but I don't, I don't think they're there yet, right now. So that's kind of what I've heard. I know 2027 I think what people are, I think the big news is, is these kill switches, I think that's where, and I don't even know if my car, my car may even have it in there.

Stoney   
Okay, it's for drunk driving, but I tell you what, let's let's make it to where the police can end these high speed chases too. Everybody's scared of that. You should be for police ending high speed. Chase this, so let's make it to where the government, federal, state, parish, and county and city police can come in and kill the car right there.

Jason  
Well,

Stoney   
how far away are you from? You don't, you don't say what you, what we want you to say, and you can't use your car no more.

Jason  
I get it, but you know, as I said, I think of those, some of those pursuits that have lately have been in the news, where it's ended in tragedy for an innocent person. I'm kind of like

Ian  
that's why you were saying, at the initially, like towards the beginning of this whole situation, you were saying that, like, I think this is here to stay, because obviously the implication, even if, even if all this is hidden, you know, right print stuff, the problem, or the big thing is that the name is to prevent drunk driving, that's the big thing, so if you are against this, you're against that, you're a bad person, that's the hard part, is like now again, even if it's just this thinly veiled truth of, like, yes, it is going to help prevent impairment and drunk drivers, with a caveat of also probably inconveniencing a lot of people. Again, that's still the big ticket items, like it's hard to fight against. I think the same thing with that, with what he just, what Stoney just said, about how wouldn't you like to have have some way of stopping a high pursuit chase? Whenever you say it like that. Yes, yes, I would. I would like for a police officer to be able to stop a person who is causing a reckless endangerment of innocent civilians and possibly public property of some kind. I would love that, but again, there's - we've talked about this with the surveillance state - there's an implication of that, though, that once you are, once you allow that, then that's when it's a slippery slope. So, so, like, it's hard, like, you can't have one without the other, you know? Where you know you're right. If all of a sudden the government decided that, oh, Ian can't drive today, I would be very upset with that, even if I wasn't breaking the law, or whatever. Or, like, this, the situation that Stoney has said, I'm a little bit frustrated, or, you know, aggravated, or whatever.

Stoney   
Y'all remember when the black boxes first came out? Oh, miracles, they record your driving habits, but people were so scared of that information going out. Jason, Jason, what? How long are those recordings now? Do you know that?

Jason  
I don't remember what. How long

Stoney   
in like three minutes or the last five,

Jason  
they may have changed back when they first came out. It was, you know, it was two, three minutes, four minutes, whatever it was,

Stoney   
but that's how far people were scared at that time that their information would be used against them. Oh, you know, you know, but now everything is used against you,

Ian  
right?

Jason  
Well, I'm gonna tell you right now, it's Ford Motor Company, Toyota, GM, I believe they all have patents right now on biometric data right now at the patent office, so it's Ford has developed, they're kind of leading the charge on this, they a lot of you know on this kind of tech, so I do believe that.

Stoney   
See, that's funny, because Ford has gotten rid of all their passenger vehicles. Okay, why would Ford be leading this? They got no, even their Mustang is no longer a passenger car, it's a small SUV. I mean, why would they need to be leading this?

Ian  
Yeah, that's something else.

Jason  
Yeah, it's.. I'm trying to look up something regarding, regarding that issue. Yeah, here it is. They got they got a patent here that said this patent focuses on monitoring the driver's state of attentiveness using eye tracking, gaze direction, behavioral analysis, passenger interactions, interior sensors, and external road and environmental data. And then basically the system could determine whether drivers distracted, adjust attentiveness thresholds, initiate vehicle actions, and continuously analyze driver behavior using machine learning

Stoney   
AI.

Jason  
Yeah,

Stoney   
I looked it up. If I can interject, current black boxes in cars, officially known as EDRs, event data recording continuously record in a loop, but they typically only save the five to 20 seconds before a crash and a few seconds after.

Ian  
Really,

Stoney   
right?

Jason  
So, what it enables,

Stoney   
how you're breaking

Jason  
investigators, you know, when you know it just gives you some insights. I, you know, I do remember when that first, and the ability to download that data. I remember it was all kind of,

Stoney   
and you had to do it before it corrupted or went away.

Jason  
They've gotten a lot better now with that. Stuff, if the

Stoney   
dumb ass tow truck driver started the vehicle again, it started the loop over again. I mean, you had to, you had to certain criteria you had to meet, and no, not all truck drivers, I mean tow truck drivers, dumb asses,

Ian  
right?

Stoney   
But I have met one or two of them.

Jason  
Yeah, so Ford stated the purpose was improving voice command reliability and noisy environments, not surveillance, but critics argue that capability dramatically expands how much vehicle could potentially observe inside the cabin. So, this is what's happening, is it's not so much that your car is collecting all this data now, it's this data is being sold, and can you imagine in not so not so distant future, where okay, a car is equipped with all these cameras and sensors, and and now, okay, police have access, can can you know, type in, and boom, now they can see inside your vehicle,

Stoney   
but take it the next step. Where did you go today? All this is GPS based. Oh yeah, so now advert advertisers are going to know where did they stop. Who sell us that information? How many times did they, hey baby, did they go to the Burlington and the Rosses and the Marshalls? How many times are they going here? What stores are they going to? What time are they going to stores? How long are they staying in these stores?

Jason  
Oh, yeah, they

Stoney   
go when it's raining,

Jason  
developing patterns.

Stoney   
Okay, you see what I'm saying. All that information is going to be sold.

Ian  
People do that already with freaking Life 360 Yes, we

Stoney   
talked about that on another

Ian  
parents and friends, and I'm like, I would, I mean, maybe I don't do anything shady, but like, I don't want everyone to know my constant location.

Jason  
Well, I mean, the thing about, as a parent, yeah, my kid is now able to drive, yeah, he's out there, you don't think maybe a parent want to know what my kid is doing,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
this, we

Stoney   
survived without somebody knowing what we were doing, I

Ian  
know,

Jason  
but, but, but we, there was nothing like that at that time, so that the even the thought was not even there. There's a lot of things that people did.

Ian  
Oh yeah,

Jason  
I mean, what people did back then, everybody would be banned, nobody could do anything, but I can see how a parent would, especially considering how high insurance rates are, and you know the insurance industry is driving a lot of this too. There's a huge amount of input on from them. They

Stoney   
want to find ways not to pay

Jason  
well, they want to minimize the risk,

Stoney   
they don't want to cut the price, the insurance payments every month, but they want to stop paying it, they want to find her, and that's why I've said for years and years, I think I've even mentioned it on this show, the American government, the American citizens are the only people on this planet that pay insurance for somebody else's vehicle,

Jason  
right?

Stoney   
Uninsured, every even, even

Jason  
uninsured,

Stoney   
your pain, your payment every month, whether you have uninsured motorist, has nothing to do with your vehicle, it has to do with somebody else's, right? That's why in other parts of the world dash cams are so important because you're paying for your vehicle, that's it, win, lose, or draw, you're paying to insure your vehicle. Now, if you're proven to be at fault, they may not pay as much, so you want to prove it's somebody else's fault, so that the insurance company will maximize payment on your vehicle. So, if I can only afford a 1974 Pinto. Somebody else, the lawyer down the road, can afford that McLaren, and he hits me. I'm not paying for his vehicle, I'm paying for mine. He's paying for his, and that would drive the insurance rate so low it would be ridiculous.

Jason  
Well, yeah, I mean, what I mean, the, for if you're in the insurance world, if you can control risk down to zero, you could, you could sure, I'll write you a policy, because I'm not going to be exposed to anything, I mean, so, yeah, of course,

Stoney   
I mean, this is, this is, we're in man. It's crazy to think the position that we're in now, where, yeah, they're using drunk driving. I mean, how can you not be for stopping drunk driving? But to lose all of our freedoms, controls, and privacy to do that, I mean, why aren't they so, like I said earlier, in that I say it in the show or pre show, when you know twice as many people are being killed by illegal immigrants, but they don't want to do anything about that. Why pick this one? Because it's something they control, and they know technology, technology, technology. Technology, 2030 years down the road, is where they want to get into the control. This just starts it,

Ian  
and that's also not a hot button topic, either. You know, you don't want to talk about immigration, because that's gonna, you know, we can't fix that problem. You know, oh

Stoney   
yes, we can.

Ian  
I know what you're not hearing me, you're hearing me, but you're not hearing me. We can fix it, but like, the problem is that, like, there are sides to this, and there are a bunch of people, a lot of money involved that, like, that we can never, quote unquote, fix that problem.

Stoney   
I have a saying, and I'm gonna say it here, and I know that our Get offended@gmail.com

Ian  
is

Stoney   
gonna come out. I can fix stupid, but it's gonna hurt.

Ian  
Yeah, exactly.

Stoney   
Okay, we can fix this problem.

Ian  
Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying, is like, like, again, there's a lot of, like, there's a lot of stuff tied up with that situation with immigration stuff, but one thing that one thing we can get everyone on board with, and then again, we can wrap up this package, and you know, with a bunch of fluff and filler and all the other stuff, is like, oh, drunk driving's bad, right? Everyone's like, well,

Stoney   
that's how they get you, because who's not against drunk drives, but am I willing to be against it, so far it's like the gun thing, right. Everybody is against murder, but do I want to give up my rights to have a gun to stop somebody that's like you said earlier, shouldn't be driving, shouldn't be having a gun either,

Ian  
right?

Stoney   
My rights aren't worth that.

Ian  
Yeah, I get that. I do think that there's probably some sort of middle ground to reach with this, but that's, you know, that we're not going to get, we're not going to get there. It's just going to be put in, put in place, and that's just going to be reality now, I guess, which is unfortunate. But

Jason  
well, as I said, I think this subscription-based stuff, I

Stoney   
think that's a whole nother thing. You want to use auto start subscription. Remember when it was just the rate, the satellite radio.

Ian  
Oh yeah,

Stoney   
you know, and you had to pay a monthly or yearly thing to have what is it, Cirrus or XM radio?

Jason  
Yeah, yep. And now it's you want the heated seats subscription, and they're all different, or, oh, we'll package it together for well, all this is tied into the same same tech of what they're trying, they're trying to do, just kind of for our listeners out there. What BMD, BMW tried to do, they, through its Functions on Demand system, BMW offered subscriptions for heated seats, heated steering wheels, adaptive cruise control, high beam assist, and other software-activated features. They say in some countries, drivers could pay roughly $18 a month, yearly plans, or a one-time unlock fee for heated seats already built into the car, but you know, people, people, there was a big backlash on, and they backed off, so in 2023 they abandoned that, and but they did not abandon subscriptions entirely. They said they clarified it still supports subscription-based services for driver assistance systems, which is what this stuff we're talking about is parking assistance, cloud connected services and other software-based upgrades required on get ongoing data infrastructure, and I'm gonna tell you, when I bought my car with just the infotainment system in that car, you know, I had to buy the warranty to be able to fix, if that's, yeah, that's where it's going now. Even insurance companies are going to be requiring you to get those warranties from the dealer that offer to replace that. See how that marriage between the two, which you know, cars have become basically like iPhones, that's that's what they are.

Ian  
Yep, that's what I was bringing up with all the EULA stuff. Like, I just.. I wonder if that's some sort of hidden thing that is in the paperwork you sign whenever you purchase the vehicle. Now that you just are unaware, again, you just like we've talked about before, you just check the box, I agree to the terms and conditions, and you submit it. Is that part of that documentation? Now we're like in the fine print there. It's like, oh yeah, well, you know,

Stoney   
nobody ever reads

Ian  
the front, of course not. You just click and pray. So

Stoney   
did you read everything when you signed?

Ian  
Never thing is like, I wonder, I wonder, like, if they're able to hide features in there, because of I'm

Jason  
sure that there's no doubt in my mind now.

Stoney   
Doing your phone,

Ian  
I know that's what I'm saying,

Stoney   
is doing

Ian  
these new computers.

Stoney   
What do you think Windows 11 is all about?

Ian  
Again, you could buy a new Switch too, and you don't own any of it, technically, legally, quote unquote, you know, allegedly.

Stoney   
I didn't know that about that. Yeah,

Ian  
that was, that's a lot of backlash with that console, specifically. I know I have a one of the older Switches, original one, and even some of that had some stuff, but like they just like with Disney Plus, and they're like pushing a lot of stuff in, like the streaming department, the poster child for it in the gaming world is Nintendo. Know they're like they're really hard on like you don't own anything, and if you're, and if they suspect that you're tampering with it, or if you're doing anything to the actual console, or that you're getting games that you shouldn't, they have the ability to, to like brick the console, which means that they, that making it basically inaccessible, like not usable, so like there are people that again tried to like upon the first few weeks of having their switch to tried to kind of, you know, finick around with it and get it working up, and the hardware was able to figure that out, and of course, like make the console not work anymore, like software wise they won't, they won't boot up anymore, won't do anything, because again they're like, well, you actually don't have the rights to like tamper with this stuff, so again, like, it kind of starts bringing into question, you know, maintenance on it and fixing it, and how do you go about, didn't it just all that kind of stuff too, where it's like you start, you dig into it, and it kind of gets it's like a bit of a rabbit hole, but once you start learning about it, you're like, oh, like Nintendo is like awful, really look at the car manufacturers filing suit with that, I'm looking at here in this NHTSA report. I find this interesting, because you know there's also I think there's some things that's supposed to happen in 2030 with these cars. We said recently the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety announced it will include vehicle features that address risky behaviors, such as impaired driving in its top safety pick plus award criteria by 2030

Jason  
so NHTSA is also considering an approach to include information on vehicles that adopt impaired driving prevention technology in the new car assessment program, so there you start, you're starting to lay the groundwork for, you know, getting recognized and stuff like that. So

Stoney   
I got a question for y'all. I want to go a little different route on this. I'm looking at both y'all right now. My eyes are uncrossed the other way. Has anybody ever been late on a bill one time? Yeah. Have you ever been late on a bill? Yeah. What happens when you're late on your break subscription?

Ian  
Okay, okay,

Stoney   
or your air conditioning subscription?

Jason  
I can definitely air conditioning.

Stoney   
You see, you see what I'm saying. What happens when, when you're.. oh man, my.. I was a little light on cash this month, and blah, I couldn't pay that subscription.

Jason  
Yeah,

Stoney   
now what do you do

Jason  
now? You're gonna have to juggle car subscriptions, in addition to your utility bill,

Stoney   
because remember these new, these new Predator lenders would put the kill switches on cars that, if you would, the minute you were late on your loan payment, the car was not startable. Y'all remember. remember that, right? I mean, what's this? Is the next step now that you don't pay your subscription? Can you start your car?

Ian  
Pirate it,

Ian  
just pirate

Stoney   
it, but if they're like the switch, they're just gonna break your car and you won't be able to do anything with it.

Jason  
Yeah, I don't, I don't really know how I think this is going to be a, I think it's just gonna be one of these things that people are just gonna, I hate to say it, you're gonna have an element of people that will, you know, raise all kind of alarms, but I think the vast majority of people just gonna roll with it.

Stoney   
I think y'all need to watch Demolition Man again, because all of this is is in that movie.

Jason  
All of this, I remember the movie quite well.

Stoney   
That it's amazing that that that movie is just like the Simpsons on predicting the future,

Jason  
Wesley Snipes and Sylvester Stallone,

Stoney   
that, that's an insane.. when you, when in today's society, when you look back at that movie, you're like, we ain't that far from that, especially with Taco Bell winning the restaurant,

Jason  
the franchise wars,

Stoney   
yeah.

Jason  
Now,

Stoney   
because they're winning right now,

Jason  
yeah. Oh, good Lord, if I had just eat a taco bell. I don't eat a Taco Bell anymore. Ate enough of it when I was younger, but

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
I don't eat a Taco Bell. So

Stoney   
you ate fast food at one time?

Jason  
Yeah, right,

Ian  
right, right.

Stoney   
You just don't anymore.

Jason  
I don't anymore. I can't tell you the last time I even went to a fast food restaurant.

Ian  
I

Jason  
really, I don't even remember. That's, that's how

Stoney   
that's amazing, though. That's good.

Jason  
I just.. I don't.. I mean, now you know. Maybe on vacation, if you're on road,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
you may stop at a Burger King or a Wendy's, or whatever the case may be. Or,

Stoney   
but you haven't even done that.

Jason  
Haven't I? Can't tell. That's what I'm saying. I don't even remember the last time I went to a fast food restaurant,

Ian  
it's not, it's not worth it anymore. It's so expensive.

Jason  
Yeah. Well, and

Stoney   
have you the filet of fish? Miranda and I went to Mississippi. Okay, this last weekend, and we stopped and got a filet of fish, and it was the size of this mouse.

Ian  
Get out, little tiny guy,

Stoney   
and it was. Twice as much as you know, these meals are crazy. It was nothing, it was, it was three bites for me,

Ian  
I believe it,

Stoney   
three bites. Couldn't believe

Ian  
it. I think that, uh, yeah, not. Anyways, the couple times that I have gone to, like, a fast food place, I'm like, man, because a lot of times I'll buy for two people, for my and myself, in the process of, like, you know, they'll, they'll tell me my total. I'm like, I beg your pardon. She could have went to a restaurant, like, actually was like, actually, let's go sit down, so it probably had better food anyways. But one thing I have been doing recently is going to the grocery store a lot more, actually. Even though groceries are still kind of expensive, I still been like, you know, buying things to, like, prep a little bit

Stoney   
thinking about things. Have you bought some chocolate chip cookie

Ian  
ingredients? I haven't. I don't think we'll ever get my sister specifically asked for some as well, and I was like, let me, let me see. 

Jason  
What do you like to?

Ian  
Okay,

Jason  
what do you like to cook?

Ian  
I like, I like chicken a lot, all kinds of forms of chicken, or putting chicken in stuff. Pasta is something that I've always been pretty good at making. I feel like different pasta type dishes and sauces and meats and stuff to go into it. Recently, I tried my hand at, like, a shepherd's pie, like I had some nice lamb, and I did the whole nine yards, and it was actually really

Jason  
nice

Ian  
stuff, like that stuff is like big enough that, like, again, I could stash away, and you know, have a couple days out the week, or whatever. It's been

Stoney   
this, got to get that, that cost per meal day,

Ian  
exactly. Saying, yeah, get one

Stoney   
of those vacuum sealers and freeze it.

Ian  
Yeah, again, my, my roommate recently, with his tax return, was like, I want to buy myself a really nice air fryer, is that cool? And I was like, of course. So I like cleaned off a little section on the side of the calendar. We got a nice like little dual bay air fryer. So I've been trying my hand at different some frozen stuff you can get that you can air fry

Stoney   
of our air fryers, but we have two of them. We don't have the fancy double, we got two of them.

Ian  
He got, I get like I said, he wanted to, he had his tax return, and he's like, I'm not planning on spending on anything else, except for, you know, he put some money aside for himself, but then he's like, I want to buy us a nice air fryer. So, anyways, it's been nice to try that out. So,

Jason  
air fryers are nice, pretty

Ian  
fun. I like it, it's a cool

Stoney   
top, better than than microwaves are.

Ian  
Yeah,

Stoney   
I'm so against microwaves. It's just,

Ian  
yeah,

Stoney   
we, we freeze some stuff, yeah. And I would rather take that vacuum sealed package and put it in a pot of ball and water,

Jason  
right,

Stoney   
than anything. Not a friend of mine, not to get off the subway, these crazy cars, but I always wonder, you know, frozen, I make made some amazing ribs, big racks of ribs, and I was all, you just can't heat them up right,

Ian  
okay?

Stoney   
And my buddy, his family owned a restaurant, and it was a seafood restaurant, and he goes, "Let's let what we're going to do is, is we're going to take those and put them in these vacuum seal bags, yeah, squirt some barbecue sauce down each side, seal it up with two seals, and freeze it.

Ian  
Yeah,

Stoney   
and seafood place always has falling water.

Ian  
Oh, yeah, 100%

Stoney   
And you drop it in there for a couple of minutes, and it comes out so perfect, like it came off the grill, but you couldn't microwave it, like,

Ian  
no, definitely not,

Stoney   
because microwaving actually vibrates the water molecules and heats them up, yeah. It destroys the meat, but these, these ribs came off. Just, oh my gosh,

Ian  
have you ever tried sous vide?

Stoney   
Yes, we have two sous. Yeah, so that's the best way. We like to do a reverse sear on the steak,

Ian  
I think. The total, yeah, best way

Stoney   
to make you get the temperature where you want it, yeah. And the sous vide, yes. And then pop it on that cast iron skillet that's glowing so hot, red one minute on each side, where it releases, and it's perfect. Wow,

Ian  
that sounds good. That'd be an episode. I'm looking for some ideas, for you know, but yeah, but anyways, this is crazy. I

Stoney   
just see it as another way to lose our freedoms, and I know I harp on that, but if I don't say it, yeah, they're going to think, oh well, look, there's no resistance, let's just take

Jason  
it. I think I think the more technologically we advance, I think it's inevitable that to participate in the modern world is going to require giving up, I think, freedoms that at one time we cherished.

Ian  
Yeah,

Jason  
that was a given. And I don't, I don't see how you get out of it. I really don't. I mean, short of you going and living in the frontier in some woods in the middle of Iowa or Montana, where you're not, you know,

Ian  
I was thinking about this as well, like there was a point in time where, like, before forensics was like a thing, like people could get away with a lot of crime, I feel like, or I can get away with a lot of stuff, because it was. Like we weren't as connected, we didn't have like forensic data to go off of, and like some things could kind of get what I'm just saying, I'm saying with that is like again there it gets to a point where like technology and more information is better, and how you can potentially like track down certain things, and you know

Stoney   
well forensics is information,

Ian  
there's a point where it's like, or there's a point where it's a net good, and there's, but then again, obviously, there's a point where, like, you know, you start losing anonymity across the board, and then that's what's saying, it's like, there are some, there's some aspects of this that is nice, because it's more data, it's, you know, it can stop people from, you know, potentially making a bad decision, but you know, making it for them in some way, which is like, I guess you know, in some cases as good, but then, like I said before, in the process of like getting more information, in the process of, you know, getting more technology, you know, what is being lost in the process, all that. I feel like there's a lot of that with social media as well, like we're so everyone was so gung ho about like everyone's connected, everything's all connected, everything's all together. We, we have, we can know the world's history at the tip of our fingers, which is like, it was so cool, and it's so interesting and awesome. But, like, now it's, it gets to a point now where it's like, I feel like more than ever, people know, I think way too much, like, you shouldn't have to worry about there's stuff that it's that kind of stuff, where it's like there's like this

Jason  
AI race, yeah, and what that's gonna do, it's it's inevitably going to shrink the world, and it's gonna stop, you know, it's I think it's like anything, like we use the example of the police pursuit in,

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
in a car, potentially driving dangerously.

Ian  
Yes,

Jason  
wouldn't it be nice? Now, now I was thinking about ways in which a police, an officer could, in essence, could you know electronically stop a car if that technology ever evolved to a point where you could do it. I mean, I could see why. I mean, you're already gonna have the plate,

Ian  
yeah.

Jason  
So you can easily probably.. I'm just thinking of way. Hey, call a judge, we're in pursuit of a vehicle, this complaint number,

Ian  
right? Shut it down.

Jason  
Can you, can we just shut it down and do it like that,

Ian  
right? Or again, if there's so much technology in it, is there some way you could do, like, an I don't know if you could do a localized or a controlled, like EMP, like us, right? Well, there's

Jason  
already there are there are tools that they can shoot at a car and disrupt its electrical system and shut it down that way.

Ian  
Interesting,

Jason  
that stuff already exists, because

Ian  
that would be..

Jason  
I don't, I don't know how many agencies have that kind of

Ian  
tech. Yeah, that's

Jason  
kind of high end, very

Ian  
expensive

Jason  
to do it, plus you would have to be able to get fast enough and follow the car and get up on the car and actually shoot the car, and, and do that. So I think the ability to just simply remote into the vehicle and just simply, I mean, I could see this, you're being pursued, and all of a sudden you know you're just criminals, all of a sudden hears a voice in the car saying, "Hey, this is shut down, or the vehicles will be shut down

Stoney   
and locked and

Jason  
locked, you know, I mean, yeah, I can see the benefits of that. I really could, and but it's like anything with any tech, it's how it's used. Unfortunately, I think it can also be used for bad, and we kind of saw that with, you know, now with social media, with all these now, you know, permissions, and if you offend this person, they ban you, Lord. I've been banned on a few things. Well, it's the social

Stoney   
score, it's the China social score, and it's going to be your whole life, and it's going to be tied to your now your chip in your hand, the car that you no longer own that you lease with a subscription service,

Jason  
right? Because that's that's that's where it's going, because if they're going to be integrating all this tech in these vehicles, I mean, I definitely can see, I can see how that could easily just become part of the standard,

Ian  
oh yeah,

Jason  
standard deal, you know, like when you go buy a car, okay, we'll give you the first year subscription, you know, all this stuff, and then it's up to you after that point to maintain it, or whatever the case may be, but

Ian  
yeah,

Jason  
but yeah, I mean, there right now is patents pending for a lot of these things, so

Stoney   
I wish I wish I'd have had this information when we did the episode on the data centers.

Jason  
Yeah,

Stoney   
have y'all seen Louisiana? Senator Jay Morris, have we seen what he's done? No, he mixed his official legislative work with personal interest real estate deals near the Meta's $27 billion artificial intelligence center in Richland Parish. He bought parcels of land near the site and subsequently sold adjacent land energy for the power plant, parking scrutiny, so they bought in a five mile radius, they bought an 80 acre plot across the street for parking in the power plant,

Jason  
of course,

Stoney   
yeah, magically, but his stance is I haven't done anything wrong. My holdings are there. Well, when you know something's coming,

Ian  
oh yeah,

Stoney   
and you buy it. This is like, you know, Nancy Pelosi saying insider tradings for everybody. Why isn't everybody doing it? It's not illegal. Yes, it

Ian  
is.

Stoney   
Yeah, this guy should get hammered and put in jail. I'm sorry, but this is crazy. He asserts his land holdings are public record, and he did not draft the LED bills, so therefore his actions don't constitute any ethical

Ian  
problems. That kind of cover your tracks,

Stoney   
but he knew they were coming.

Ian  
Oh, yeah, of course.

Jason  
Yeah, he's, uh, yeah, he hates, actually, he's been in a lot of, in the news lately, with just everything else, although some of the other things going on right now in Louisiana, but, oh yeah, I mean, look, the AI data centers were, we're building Skynet, we don't know,

Stoney   
I've said that, how many times,

Jason  
 we don't know it yet, we're building the skeleton right now for what eventually will be Skynet. Will be Skynet, whatever it will be called.

Ian  
Oh yeah,

Jason  
at that point I

Stoney   
just need to go ahead and call it Skynet now. Stop calling it all this other crap and just name it Skynet

Ian  
wants to be

Stoney   
just for the irony of it all. Anyway,

Jason  
Who created those movies was Cameron,

Ian  
think so?

Jason  
Who created the Terminator movies? Something, Cameron, I think. I can't think of his name now. I'm drawing a blank.

Ian  
Yeah, James Cameron.

Jason  
James Cameron. Yeah, actually he said when he, before they filmed the first Terminator, he actually had people in the high levels of the government that he had some access to to talk about tech and stuff that's coming, and it's he made a movie, and it's lo and behold, it's it's it's true, you know, it's funny how that works out, but yeah,

Stoney   
well, they use movies as part of the CIA.

Jason  
Yeah,

Stoney   
Hollywood and the CIA have been working hand in hand for decades and decades to release stuff and get us kind of prepared for things.

Jason  
I think

Stoney   
this is just the latest.

Jason  
I think that I think all of it. It's so funny how so many things are happening right now with these AI data centers, now seem to be popping up everywhere. You got the UFO disclosure stuff going on right now. There's a movie fixing to be coming out, Steven Spielberg's disclosure, disclosure is coming out. I'm just telling you, this things are moving rapidly right now. They really are. They're moving rapidly right now. And

Stoney   
I wonder if the what is it, the fourth turning, what is it called,

Jason  
the fourth turning,

Stoney   
fourth turning is coming for us.

Jason  
Well, they, some say we are right now in it.

Stoney   
That's, I'm, that's kind of what I'm asking, are we in it right now? Because I

Jason  
think we are.

Stoney   
This, this is crazy.

Jason  
I think I think all the, all the cues that at least the, the, the authors who came up with this kind of structure, this this pattern here, that everything that they say, we're right now in the complete loss and trust of institutions. I think something is going to collapse, and something new is going to come out of it, and that I think the new stuff is AI. I think it's, it's a completely different way of viewing the world, how the world will operate. I think that's what's going to come out of the ashes.

Stoney   
Sounds like demolition, man. Yeah,

Jason  
well, I think

Stoney   
that's what happened. The world collapsed. Well, these big cities popped up, and we just got to see one city.

Jason  
I'm trying to remember in that movie what was called the collapse. I think it was a giant earth, giant earthquake in California, and it buried the old city, and then the new city was built on top of it, and, but, yeah, I think there's a lot, I think there's a lot going on, I think you, I mean, just kind of talking about all these things, I mean, what happened in. Venezuela, with the directed energy weapons and all, all this UFO stuff, and you know, now people coming out that, you know, now there's there's people out there that know that that we've had zero point energy now for, you know, for a while, and, but you know, they can't let good stuff go, because we've completely collapsed the world economy, you know, basically anybody can just generate energy. So, yeah, so interesting times. Tell people, pay attention to these vehicles. If you're in the market for a new vehicle, you may want to hang on to your car if the technology doesn't scare you, you know.

Ian  
Who knows.

Jason  
Jump in, and we'll see where it goes.

Ian  
Yes, let us know what you think. We have comment sections on YouTube and Spotify where you can leave some more short form responses. We also have an email address, like Stoney had said earlier, Get Offended together@gmail.com where you can send some more long form responses if the comment sections won't fit all your all your feelings in there. Be sure to like and subscribe where you can. We're on all the major podcasting platforms. You can find us anywhere. Share it with someone that you think would either like it or maybe not like it. We would really appreciate that. And until next week, thank you so much for listening. Bye, bye,

Jason  
goodbye, everyone, and God bless.

Stoney   
There is something deeply American about the automobile, not because cars are perfect, they are expensive, they break down, they eat gas, they throw warning lights at the worst possible time, and somehow the check engine light always knows when your bank account is low, but the car has always represented movement, freedom, escape, work, family, independence. That first car meant that you could go somewhere without asking. The road trip meant the world was bigger than your neighborhood. That old truck meant your grandfather could fix almost anything with a wrench, bad attitude, duct tape, and some safety wire, and three words that you were not allowed to repeat in church. But the car is changing now, not just mechanically, philosophically, it's becoming connected, monitored, updated, scored, restricted, and monetized. And the danger is not that every new feature is evil. The danger is that the meaning of ownership is being rewritten, while most people are distracted by bigger screens and cooler apps, one generation bought cars, the next generation leased them, the next generation subscribed to them, and somewhere in that shift we have to ask, What are we giving up? Because a car that watches you, charges you, scores you, updates around you, locks features behind software that is not just transportation, it's a relationship, and it's not always an equal one. The road used to mean freedom. The question is now whether freedom comes standard or whether it's part of the premium package. Thanks for hanging out with us today. You're the best. Peace.